chaparral wrote:
dave_w wrote:
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Little doubt Trump is getting played here, but Obama got played by Iran, and because the agreement was so bad Early warningof inspections, military sites that are off limits altogether, etc) we don't get to see it...that's the difference. .
Ok, there seems to be a real lack of understanding on this deal and the methodology. Yes, there was warning, but access to Military sites was allowed. It just required more warning and very low standard of proof. Now you may say, but they have 20 days of warning. Well, the nuclear weapons experts on our side agreed to that amount of warning. Why, did they agree to that? Because over the decades the US and others have researched this. They have actually done experiments when we take down old nuclear weapons facilities, they have experts go in and try and scrub the evidence. Then they have another team go in and try and find that evidence. Through these programs we have a very good idea of what is required to hide evidence and they will not be able to do it in the time they have. In addition after the warning, that site will be watched like a hawk by observers, so any coming and goings will be monitored and could easily catch things leaving the site. Not to mention national assets of the US and others that would catch things once they leave buildings. Also soil and air samples can be taken around the site that would give away the game.
Seriously, we have experts in this sort of thing that have spent decades working on the problem. These are not politicians, but experts in the technical aspects of this that developed this deal. It is really really hard to hide this stuff and you just can't clean up a site in a couple months.
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A number of problems, here are a couple: if you remember, there was a side deal that allowed Iran to do the soil collecting itself:
"The chief of the U.N. nuclear agency acknowledged Monday that samples used to determine whether Iran tried to develop a nuclear weapon were collected by the Iranians instead of agency experts, but insisted the probe stands up to strict agency standards.
Such sampling of soil, air or dust from equipment is usually done by the
International Atomic Energy Agency's own experts. But IAEA chief Yukiya Amano confirmed that Iranians carried out that part of the probe at Parchin, where the agency suspects that explosive triggers for nuclear weapons might have been tested in the past.
Diplomats say Iran insisted on the compromise as a condition for any probe of Parchin."
https://forum.slowtwitch.com/...rent_post_id=6810034 and as to the military sites:
"Inspectors with the International Atomic Energy Agency, the United Nations organization tasked with monitoring Iran's nuclear facilities, have not requested access to military sites since the agreement went into effect, according to experts monitoring the process."
https://www.latimes.com/...-20170830-story.html