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Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS
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My first power meter purchase, looking at GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS; any suggestions?:
- I like the pedal option (easy to install, transferable)
- I am looking at the single pedal option

Are the single pedal versions compatible with Zwift?
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [tritexas] [ In reply to ]
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This is a good place to start
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [tritexas] [ In reply to ]
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Go to Garmin Vector 3 forum and look at the shit show... that is a good place to start lol

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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [LuisDF] [ In reply to ]
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I to date have not had any real or serious issues with my V3 pedals - I have read some things with people having some issue with them however. In my experience Garmin ultimately makes it right and chances are they have a lot more product on the market than other company's so there is more opportunity for them to be scrutinized.

My pedals link just fine, read power just fine and update/calibrate just fine. I have used them on my Trainerroad and multiple different head units at this point. I cannot comment on the battery life but I can say that I have had mine for over 40 days without any battery issues yet.

I am so far very happy/satisfied with the pedals
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [tritexas] [ In reply to ]
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It took me a long time to get the Vector 3's and I've got well over 1K miles on them. I've run them in conjunction with a PT hub all the time.

The vectors are very consistent. They generally run 5-10 watts high of the PT. As close as 2-3 watts. There's variation there, but they seem quite consistent. And that's calibrating both units at the same time and multiple times during a ride.

I've had almost zero issues ever in terms of glitches. I think I've seen 2 times where it says it's not reading a pedal, but i've never seen a big wattage drop. I have zero complaints with the pedals thus far. I'll probably put 15K road and gravel on them this year so will be a good test!

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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [tritexas] [ In reply to ]
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Really digging my Assioma pedals. If you join the DCRainmaker program at Clever Training you can get them for 10% off.

Setup was super easy. No calibration problems and maybe 2-3 short dropouts in 30+ hours of riding which is probably due to my ANT+ dongle being too far away.


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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [tritexas] [ In reply to ]
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I've had my Assioma pedals for a couple months now. Super easy to move between bikes. Battery lasted about 50 hours before needing to charge and I like to that the battery is rechargeable. However I am still getting used to the cleats after so many years using Shimano.
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [tritexas] [ In reply to ]
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I have the vector 3s. I know there have been numerous posts about problems, but (*knock on wood) I've never had a problem with mine. The battery life does appear to be shorter than advertised (advertised at up to 120 hours with LR44 batteries). Since I started using them in December, I've changed the batteries twice (170miles in December, 206 miles in January, 262 miles in February and 236 miles in March...so not very high mileage). The bike stays on my trainer so there's no chance of GPS sensing movement and automatically turning on.
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [LuisDF] [ In reply to ]
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LuisDF wrote:
Go to Garmin Vector 3 forum and look at the shit show... that is a good place to start lol


I'm glad you posted this.

I have the Favero BePro and was about to order the Vector 3 as they finally have become available where I live.

After reading that forum, I'll be ordering the Assioma.

Not that there is anything wrong with the BePro, they've been excellent.
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [tritexas] [ In reply to ]
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Favero customer here. I got them 2 weeks ago and am loving them. Nothing to report. Works as it should. No issues.

As I understand, the tradeoff between the two is paying a bit more to have the pods internal on the Garmin. If you don't mind them, then buy Favero, if not buy Garmin.

Also, I would recommend saving up and getting the dual sided option. If you have a power imbalance that changes as you fatigue (we all do) or change intensity, then its less accurate (they both will be). Though budget is budget.
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [timbasile] [ In reply to ]
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The sleek form factor of the V3 is pretty sweet, but the Assioma is rock solid. Favero did an amazing job with it. Just super durable and reliable. The previous bePRO was also really good, just a bit quirky to install, and this was fixed with the Assioma. It's also $200 less and more available than the V3.

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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [tritexas] [ In reply to ]
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I have the favero pedals. I like them so much that I am considering buying my wife a pair. They are pretty solid.
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [tritexas] [ In reply to ]
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tritexas wrote:
My first power meter purchase, looking at GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS; any suggestions?:
- I like the pedal option (easy to install, transferable)
- I am looking at the single pedal option

Are the single pedal versions compatible with Zwift?
I received a pair of Assiomas a few weeks ago and have been using them since. Zero problems. Power lines up nicely with my Direto and they're easy to set up and use. Still adjusting a bit to the cleat system (coming from SPD-SLs), but that's the same with any pedal-based system.
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [tritexas] [ In reply to ]
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My Favero BePro pedals (the prior iteration) are still going strong. I've never had any problems with them.
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [LuisDF] [ In reply to ]
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LuisDF wrote:
Go to Garmin Vector 3 forum and look at the shit show... that is a good place to start lol

I'm not going to say there aren't problems (because I'd be wrong) but a company utilizing a support forum always magnifies problems. On one hand its great to get a fix by just looking at the forum, on another you air out alot of dirty laundry which may seem to be the norm but is not.

Companies that are tight lipped and suppress customer support by only allowing email do a much better job of hiding problems.

That being said, my next PM I'm leaning towards Favero, because it seems to be great quality and its made in the Veneto.
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [LuisDF] [ In reply to ]
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You can't judge a product by a support forum. ALL products will have complaints on a support forum. No one that is satisfied will go there.

I've had my Vector 3's Since October and they have been great. No real issues so far. I bought a ton of batteries, so I'm good there and that is probably the only real service I do on the pedals.
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [tritexas] [ In reply to ]
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+1 for Favero. I got my Assioma Duo a few weeks ago and have had zero problems.

DC Rainmaker has a good showdown between the Vector 3, Assioma, and P1

https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2017/09/power-meter-pedal-shootout-vector-3-vs-powertap-p1-vs-assioma.html
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [bigredrude] [ In reply to ]
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I just can't get over the name. Every time I read ASSIOMA I think of butt disease. Like "The doctor had to remove some ASSIOMAs the other day"

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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [JesseR] [ In reply to ]
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20% during May and November sale.

I wanna go fast!
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [PM City] [ In reply to ]
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So Favero says "Original" Keo cleats are compatible with the Assioma. What are "Original" Keo cleats? I've been using the Keo with the same cleat for probably 6 years. Before that there was Delta I believe. Is there a newer Keo cleat? I have a pair of Classic and Max Keo pedals. Did run my Keo cleats in the Assioma on my first ride with the pedals, and it didn't feel right. Left pedal was reasonable, but right wiggled all over the place, yet was difficult to clip out. Granted, these Keo cleats have seen plenty of miles, so they weren't new in that sense, but they're on a pair of shoes that I only use inside, so they're not beat to crap either. Used the Favero included cleats on my second ride, and was much better, but still seemed a bit mushy when clipping in and out. Not as crisp as the Keo/Keo combo. Was hoping to just use my old Keo cleats since I have Keo pedals on all my other bikes, and matching cleats on 3-4 pairs of shoes.

I wanna go fast!
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [ironmanatee] [ In reply to ]
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ironmanatee wrote:
20% during May and November sale.

Very true. I picked mine up 20% off in November.


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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [JesseR] [ In reply to ]
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I just ordered set set of Favero Assioma's, 20% off, should get them tomorrow. Then I can remove my Garmin 3's that have been rendered almost useless with no idea when replacements will be available. Fun times over at Garmin.
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [Jamie73] [ In reply to ]
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Where did you get the assioma's for 20% off? I saw they were excluded from the clevertraining sale.
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Jamie73 wrote:
I just ordered set set of Favero Assioma's, 20% off, should get them tomorrow. Then I can remove my Garmin 3's that have been rendered almost useless with no idea when replacements will be available. Fun times over at Garmin.


Sounds similar to my Garmin Vector 3 experience, which was pretty bad (I returned them). I decided to go back to Powertap which has been rock solid for me almost 10 years. Keep us posted on the Favero pedals!

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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [bearlyfinish] [ In reply to ]
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I got them on clever training. Had to purchase the VIP program which was discounted to $9.99. Pretty good deal. The VIP is a lifetime purchase I think.
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [Physiojoe925] [ In reply to ]
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They have some nice reviews, I'll let you guys know how they work.
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [Jamie73] [ In reply to ]
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I have been using the Assioma Due for around two months and have had no issues. MY only slight complaint is that they are stiff to clip in and out of even on the loosest setting.
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [OllyOllyOlly] [ In reply to ]
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I have been using the Assioma Due for around two months and have had no issues. MY only slight complaint is that they are stiff to clip in and out of even on the loosest setting.

I've noticed the same thing. I came over from Shimano pedals before, and been told that all Kleo cleats are like that (i.e. it's not an Assioma thing). Don't know if that's true or not. Otherwise the Assioma pedals are awesome.
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [bigredrude] [ In reply to ]
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I had Keo pedals before and they were definitely easier to clip out of than the Assioma. I read on DC Rainmaker that someone has sent their pedals back to italy to put a more pliable spring in.
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [ironmanatee] [ In reply to ]
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So Favero says "Original" Keo cleats are compatible with the Assioma. What are "Original" Keo cleats? I've been using the Keo with the same cleat for probably 6 years. Before that there was Delta I believe. Is there a newer Keo cleat? I have a pair of Classic and Max Keo pedals. Did run my Keo cleats in the Assioma on my first ride with the pedals, and it didn't feel right. Left pedal was reasonable, but right wiggled all over the place, yet was difficult to clip out. Granted, these Keo cleats have seen plenty of miles, so they weren't new in that sense, but they're on a pair of shoes that I only use inside, so they're not beat to crap either. Used the Favero included cleats on my second ride, and was much better, but still seemed a bit mushy when clipping in and out. Not as crisp as the Keo/Keo combo. Was hoping to just use my old Keo cleats since I have Keo pedals on all my other bikes, and matching cleats on 3-4 pairs of shoes.
I suspect that they mean made by Look as opposed to the cleats for the PowerTap pedals.

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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [jmkizer] [ In reply to ]
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Yep. They eventually replied to an email I sent them and that was the case.

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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [Jamie73] [ In reply to ]
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Jamie73 wrote:
I got them on clever training. Had to purchase the VIP program which was discounted to $9.99. Pretty good deal. The VIP is a lifetime purchase I think.
VIP gets you 10% off, still not clear how you get 20% off the Assioma's, since they're excluded from the 20% spring VIP sale.
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [jsk] [ In reply to ]
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I agree.. unless he did some magic - no way 20%.. I was eying it as well but it ended as 10% only. The P1 pedals was 20% tho.
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [myjunk] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry, I apologize. I went back and checked and it was only 10%. I did get the pedals yesterday and just as advertised installation was a breeze. Fit and finish is excellent. The clips are a little tight but not as bad as I thought it was going to be after reading some reviews. Nice to have a properly functioning power meter again.
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [timbasile] [ In reply to ]
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I have the power tap P1 pedals, dual-sided.
I don’t think I would bother with dual sided if I ever replaced them. I have never seen any variance other than 49/51 or 50/50.
I am not sure I would know how to change the variance if it did occur anyway and whether it would be easy to do it or not.

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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [jsk] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah I was ready to pull the trigger on the Assiomas at 20% off but 10% isn't quite worth it. Oh well.
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Re: Power Meters: GARMIN VECTOR 3 or FAVERO ASSIOMA PEDALS [tritexas] [ In reply to ]
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I have the V3 since Dec 2017. They work fine. I've used them mostly on the trainer, but outdoors a few times, include one duathlon. Swapping among bikes is easy - but the crank arm length of the bike that is always on the trainer is different than all the other bikes, so I have a note in the ziplock bag that hold the pedals between bikes to adjust the crank arm length when installing.
Some of the V3 criticisms are correct and concerning. As an engineer, the wonky-a** method to electrically insulate the batteries is stupid and cheap and insulting on a $1000 device. The entire V3 battery situation is inexcusable - they had ample opportunity to learn from the P1s. So, do you want a 'name brand' with a long history of standing behind their products with robust customer service - which is necessary because many of their devices are released to customers as 'near final' beta designs? Or do you want to save $200-ish (still an expensive device) from a relatively unknown manufacturer that has uncertain customer service but a seemingly robust power meter (so, maybe the customer service is less important)? Really, it sounds as if it's a toss-up...
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