j p o wrote:
Spiridon Louis wrote:
DJRed wrote:
Best I can tell, the gun used in the killing was purchased one month into Trump's presidency. The life events that made this murder who he is happened long before Trump's presidency. The mistakes made by local authorities/administrators and the FBI have nothing to do with Trump. The killer pulled the trigger.
Reducing this tragedy to Trump assumes removing him will solve, or even reduce mass killings.
It's intellectually void and the easy way out.
Worse, it focuses us on things other than the breakdowns in the process that could have actually impacted this event.
Dude, no kidding. I literally can't believe there are people blaming this on Trump. I didn't see that one coming.
The circumstances around the shooting are not from Trump. And I have seen people saying that this is what you get when Trump is in office. They are right, but it is also what we got when Obama and Bush and Clinton and Bush and Reagan ... were in office.
But when Trump complains that the FBI didn't follow up on this kid (ignoring the fact that the FBI has plenty of people and didn't take anyone off field duty to chase after the president), does he realize who the FBI reports up through? And when it was that they didn't follow up?
I gotta call you out on that. Regardless of what President Trump said about the FBI (and he should not have said it), the FBI admitted themselves they have culpability here.
https://www.cnn.com/...i-tipster/index.html That is an important fact in this discussion. Twisting this FBI stuff to somehow be reflective on Trump takes away from the fact that we had the opportunity and the process in place to prevent this tragedy and we did not. Given that, I can see the argument from those who say we don't need more action, we just need to do what we're supposed to do already.
Strategically and politically, Trump was moronic for wrapping himself and his FBI Russian troubles in this.
Far worse, it allows others to take away from legitimate facts.
Emma Gonzalez passionate (and viral) speech highlights this
https://hellogiggles.com/...onzalez-full-speech/:
"And how about we stop blaming the victims for something that was the student's fault, the fault of the people who let him buy the guns in the first place, those at the gun shows, the people who encouraged him to buy accessories for his guns to make them fully automatic, the people who didn't take them away from him when they knew he expressed homicidal tendencies, and I am not talking about the FBI. I'm talking about the people he lived with. I'm talking about the neighbors who saw him outside holding guns.
If the President wants to come up to me and tell me to my face that it was a terrible tragedy and how it should never have happened and maintain telling us how nothing is going to be done about it, I'm going to happily ask him how much money he received from the National Rifle Association."
No, this one
is about the FBI. This one
is not about a fully automatic weapon. This one
is not about a gun purchased at a gun show. This one
is not about a gun purchased illegally. This one
is not about Trump or the NRA. This one is about a failure at every single opportunity to interact with this murderer.
"From the interactions that I had with the shooter before the shooting and from the information that I currently know about him, I don’t really know if he was mentally ill. I wrote this before I heard what Delaney said. Delaney said he was diagnosed. I don’t need a psychologist and I don’t need to be a psychologist to know that repealing that regulation was a really dumb idea.
Republican Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa was the sole sponsor on this bill that stops the FBI from performing background checks on people adjudicated to be mentally ill and now he’s stating for the record, ‘Well, it’s a shame the FBI isn’t doing background checks on these mentally ill people.’ Well, duh. You took that opportunity away last year."
This is specious. First of all, it does not do what she is insinuating it does. Second, this killer was not in the system anyway and, if he was, the repealing of that regulation would not have impacted him one bit.
However, we just let her go unchecked on these statements. Don't misunderstand, these are legit questions to ask, but they are not the questions to ask in this case.
Ignoring the facts is a recipe for disaster and awful, ineffective legislation.
