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ter·ror·ism
ˈterəˌrizəm/
noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/...m_term=.c23c4cd3b8ad

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Re: Terrorism... [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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It's the same left who opposed MLK Jr's speaking.

Ignorance 2.0
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Re: Terrorism... [Old Hickory] [ In reply to ]
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Old Hickory wrote:
It's the same left who opposed MLK Jr's speaking.

I am honestly ignorant of what you are talking about here. Source?

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Terrorism... [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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I'm no fan of Coulter, but not allowing her to speak on a campus because the students and the campus population can't maturely disagree her point of view and will likely resort to violence seems like the wrong way to deal with the problem.

She agreed to their rules and they still cancelled the event. There is plenty of time to put whatever security measures in place to stop the likely ruffians form doing damage to their university or other attendees "in protest"

Complete and total lack of leadership by the Berkeley administration.

I'd bet if there were concerns of violence at a more conservative institution with a liberal speaker and that event was similarly cancelled, some of these same administrators would have their knickers in a bunch.

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Re: Terrorism... [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Terrorism... [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Why is it university administrators roll over so often for these protestors? I wasn't around for the 60s but from reading about it students routinely shut down offices and campus in protest of various things. Why not expel these people? When I went to university people got expelled for stuff that never reached this level.

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Re: Terrorism... [Old Hickory] [ In reply to ]
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MLK Jr. was banned from speaking at Berkeley?

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Martin-Luther-King-Jr-s-67-speech-left-mark-on-5475925.php
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Re: Terrorism... [oldandslow] [ In reply to ]
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On an unrelated note:

I estimate that there is a 1 in 10 million chance that Forge will go postal and successfully kill me.

Which is actually more dangerous than terrorism- where there is probably a 1 in 20 million chance that I will be killed by a random terrorist.

Of course it might be wise to consider:
A 1 in 3 chance that I will die of cancer
A 1 in 100 chance that I will die because I am a bad driver.
A 1 in 25 chance that I will loose my job because I waste too much time on slowtwitch.
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Re: Terrorism... [len] [ In reply to ]
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Wasn't a large part of the Berkley problem the last time -- when Milo was there to speak -- non-student extremists coming in and escalating the protest from a peaceful, loud march to something that was physical and violent?

I'm all for peaceful protest on whichever side of the spectrum it originates from and all for open and free speech, even for jerks like Westboro Baptist (except at funerals...my pacifism is challenged when it comes to them protesting at funerals for fallen soldiers). I'm not for caving to their protests and speech just to shut down other speech. If Berkley is being preemptive to shut Coulter down based on their fear of things turning violent, I suppose there could be something wise about that to protect students...if it were the first time this was an issue. But it's not, so if Berkley wants to actually be a place of free expression and the exchange of ideas they need to get better practices in place to allow opposing vantages to be aired, to allow protest, and to keep violence shut down.
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Re: Terrorism... [MidwestRoadie] [ In reply to ]
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MidwestRoadie wrote:
Wasn't a large part of the Berkley problem the last time -- when Milo was there to speak -- non-student extremists coming in and escalating the protest from a peaceful, loud march to something that was physical and violent?


I'm all for peaceful protest on whichever side of the spectrum it originates from and all for open and free speech, even for jerks like Westboro Baptist (except at funerals...my pacifism is challenged when it comes to them protesting at funerals for fallen soldiers). I'm not for caving to their protests and speech just to shut down other speech. If Berkley is being preemptive to shut Coulter down based on their fear of things turning violent, I suppose there could be something wise about that to protect students...if it were the first time this was an issue. But it's not, so if Berkley wants to actually be a place of free expression and the exchange of ideas they need to get better practices in place to allow opposing vantages to be aired, to allow protest, and to keep violence shut down.


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Re: Terrorism... [MidwestRoadie] [ In reply to ]
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i suppose one argument could be cost - i'm playing devil's advocate here, but maybe berkley realized they'd have to hire x security guards and y yards of fence and z metal detectors and decided that it wasn't so much logistically impossible as just not worth it.

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Re: Terrorism... [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Now they change their minds and offer 5/2 as a rescheduled date- during a review week. Coulter rejects and insists she's will be speaking there on 4/27.

Should be interesting.

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Re: Terrorism... [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Really? Hadn't heard that, but haven't paid attention to the follow up news on it either.

That's fucked up. So is tenure in these cases...
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Re: Terrorism... [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy wrote:
Also, have you heard about the SDSU professor who attacked people in Berkeley with a U-Lock. He was wearing a mask but was identified by internet "investigators" on 4chan.

The professor's life is now fucked, I'm happy to say.

Why was he doing such a thing?
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Duffy wrote:
wimsey wrote:
Duffy wrote:
Also, have you heard about the SDSU professor who attacked people in Berkeley with a U-Lock. He was wearing a mask but was identified by internet "investigators" on 4chan.

The professor's life is now fucked, I'm happy to say.


Why was he doing such a thing?


Because he doesn't like Trump and he's an antifa guy.

http://theralphretort.com/...ric-clanton-4020017/

He's a fucking terrorist, by definition.

Huh, that's pretty weird. Definition or not, he also appears to be an asshole and a criminal.
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jmh wrote:
I'm no fan of Coulter, but not allowing her to speak on a campus because the students and the campus population can't maturely disagree her point of view and will likely resort to violence seems like the wrong way to deal with the problem.
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I'm no fan of Coulter either but also agree. But I do have to wonder why she wants to speak at Berkeley to begin with. Its not like she'll find a lot of fans or people of a like mind there.
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Re: Terrorism... [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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She was invited by the campus Republican group.

And she likes to stir shit up- isn't that her brand?

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Re: Terrorism... [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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jmh wrote:
She was invited by the campus Republican group.

And she likes to stir shit up- isn't that her brand?

They have a campus Republican group at Berkeley?
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Re: Terrorism... [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Got to hand it to Coulter she is not afraid to enter the lions den.

She got brutalized at the Rob Lowe Roast, Bill Maher show, The View...

Still she keep coming back for more. She is like the Rudy of commentators.
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Re: Terrorism... [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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Apparently both of them signed the invite.

Suffer Well.
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Re: Terrorism... [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy wrote:
ter·ror·ism
ˈterəˌrizəm/
noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

What is that guy (and the rest of these leftist, fascist fuckheads) doing?

They are unlawfully using violence against civilians in the pursuit of political aims.

They are, by definition, terrorists.

I'm not disagreeing with you. In addition to being a terrorist (assuming he was acting on anti-Trump motivations as you say), he's also an asshole (IMO) and a criminal.

I've said before on this forum that, on balance across all issues, I tend to lean left. But I don't understand or defend actions like this guy's, or the Coulter nonsense at Berkeley, or many of the other examples of lefties losing their grip in recent months. It's nutty.
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Duffy wrote:
It's partly what pushed toward libertarianism, actions like this.

Me too. This kind of stuff, as well as being a Yankee transplant who lived in North Florida for a while, has definitely pushed me more toward a libertarian point of view in recent years.
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Re: Terrorism... [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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cerveloguy wrote:
jmh wrote:
I'm no fan of Coulter, but not allowing her to speak on a campus because the students and the campus population can't maturely disagree her point of view and will likely resort to violence seems like the wrong way to deal with the problem.
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I'm no fan of Coulter either but also agree. But I do have to wonder why she wants to speak at Berkeley to begin with. Its not like she'll find a lot of fans or people of a like mind there.
She's looking for people to convince and persuade, not people who'd be fun at a cocktail party.
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jmh wrote:
I'm no fan of Coulter, but not allowing her to speak on a campus because the students and the campus population can't maturely disagree her point of view and will likely resort to violence seems like the wrong way to deal with the problem.

She agreed to their rules and they still cancelled the event. There is plenty of time to put whatever security measures in place to stop the likely ruffians form doing damage to their university or other attendees "in protest"

Complete and total lack of leadership by the Berkeley administration.

I'd bet if there were concerns of violence at a more conservative institution with a liberal speaker and that event was similarly cancelled, some of these same administrators would have their knickers in a bunch.
We also know that if the poles were reversed (at Berkeley) that there'd be no limit to the amount of jack-boots brought in to absolutely F-up anyone attempting to stifle left leaning speech.
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Re: Terrorism... [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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I hadn't heard about that. I'll check it out later. Too beat to think straight right now after several hours of springtime yardwork. Need a shower and massage.
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Re: Terrorism... [SH] [ In reply to ]
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SH wrote:
cerveloguy wrote:
jmh wrote:
I'm no fan of Coulter, but not allowing her to speak on a campus because the students and the campus population can't maturely disagree her point of view and will likely resort to violence seems like the wrong way to deal with the problem.
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I'm no fan of Coulter either but also agree. But I do have to wonder why she wants to speak at Berkeley to begin with. Its not like she'll find a lot of fans or people of a like mind there.

She's looking for people to convince and persuade, not people who'd be fun at a cocktail party.

Do you really think Coulter will change a lot of minds at Berkeley? She can at least try I guess.
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Re: Terrorism... [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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Not really a believer in the value of being exposed to a range of ideas, huh?








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wimsey wrote:
Duffy wrote:
ter·ror·ism
ˈterəˌrizəm/
noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

What is that guy (and the rest of these leftist, fascist fuckheads) doing?

They are unlawfully using violence against civilians in the pursuit of political aims.

They are, by definition, terrorists.


I'm not disagreeing with you. In addition to being a terrorist (assuming he was acting on anti-Trump motivations as you say), he's also an asshole (IMO) and a criminal.

I've said before on this forum that, on balance across all issues, I tend to lean left. But I don't understand or defend actions like this guy's, or the Coulter nonsense at Berkeley, or many of the other examples of lefties losing their grip in recent months. It's nutty.

I agree 100%, this attempt to shut down political speech one disagrees with is alarming. And probably does more harm than good.
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Re: Terrorism... [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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cerveloguy wrote:
SH wrote:
cerveloguy wrote:
jmh wrote:
I'm no fan of Coulter, but not allowing her to speak on a campus because the students and the campus population can't maturely disagree her point of view and will likely resort to violence seems like the wrong way to deal with the problem.
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I'm no fan of Coulter either but also agree. But I do have to wonder why she wants to speak at Berkeley to begin with. Its not like she'll find a lot of fans or people of a like mind there.

She's looking for people to convince and persuade, not people who'd be fun at a cocktail party.


Do you really think Coulter will change a lot of minds at Berkeley? She can at least try I guess.

Is she really trying to change minds? I thought her schickt was to be an asshole to get the left riled up?
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Re: Terrorism... [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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Her speeches​ may not change minds but the the violent reaction to her trying to voice an opinion certainly has.
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Re: Terrorism... [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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And she likes to stir shit up- isn't that her brand?

Yup, and she should be allowed to talk.
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