Yes I was going to write something up with some pictures but it will be a few days. Overall impressions: I would ride it.

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looks great, but what are the aero drag savings?

since they don't lock in the aero position, do they open when you're taking a turn and your body weight shifts a bit?

how about with climbing?

looks interesting.

I don't know as the bar hasn't been to the tunnel yet and it's also not in its final form yet. From my conversation with Frank it seems like he might have some tricks up his sleeve to make the bar + rider combo a bit more aero.

If I had to guess, in its current form vs something like a Ventus with equal cable routing between the two... maybe 1-3 watts. Keep in mind that the Ventus is a really fast bar.

But what about the BTA?

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Frank? Like Powercrank-Frank?

Different Frank

It looks like there are some FAQ's at the bottom of the linked website. http://www.morf-tech.com/

Regarding BTA: "BTA - A small bracket mounted on the arm rest assembly with the standard bottle cage mount holes will be available. Bike computer mounts can be affixed to the same bracket."

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Bracket between the arm pads (likely what will be used) or a stem mount solution like this: https://hedcycling.com/...ries/bottle-lollipop

Ah I missed that. Seems the website was updated since I last saw it.

I'm interested to see how a final design will look - something that is sharper and more polished (aesthetically) to match the styling of the typical tri bike.

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Here's the thing: modern aero bike design is characterized by large surface areas. In the case of the MORF-Tech bar... there's just not much there and that's the point of the design. Aesthetically I think the one area that might change (significantly) is the armrests. You may also see some changes in how the brake levers are integrated.

I may have one in my hands early this coming year. If I do I'll put it on my Shiv and report back with pics (or maybe my Omni assuming I have it by then).

In current form, it looks clunky. That could change entirely with a simple gloss black paint job.
And I assume any brake levers could be used? Or nicer, proprietary ones?

That way you can match the look and feel of the rest of the bike and retain some semblance of that sharper, sleeker form factor that many front-end setups have.

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I have my bars raised a bit praying mantis style. I assume the current design does not take that into account? Or the ability to adjust the tilt? Maybe it's in the FAQs, did not realize those were there

Thanks for the post Tom and greenplease. It was great meeting both of you!!! A lot of the questions are answered on the bottom of the web site home page. We will update with good pictures and a new video of the production version. Attached is a sneak peek pic.

As a side note, this is an incredibly supportive and helpful sport, it's really refreshing, thanks for that.

I'll update my website with a bit more about us and our history of new product development in the O&G industry next week for those interested.

Thanks again, really appreciate the feedback.
Frank
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Pic, let's hope I get this one right, trying to post a pic from an iPhone.

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Fixed it for ya ;-)

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Thanks!!!

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When I got the bike from TG the bars were angled up at least 30 degrees! It's very very easy to run a mantis with this bar.

1-3 watts? I'm sorry it won't sell.

There ya go! That's the sleeker form I was talking about.

Now what about fit? What's the pad height/stack? How low can they be set? How high?

What about shifting while sitting up? Can you do that relatively easily with mechanical shifting? I'm thinking about climbing...

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My experiences between a base bar setup and "aero or die" lead me to think that's a bit of a low estimate...

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I'm definitely interested. Getting the levers and bars out of the clear air out the sides is a stroke of genius.

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No concrete wind tunnel numbers just yet, hope to have more data by March. Will keep you posted. Would imagine that number is quite light, but we'll let the data speak for itself:)

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If you are in aero and take one arm off the pads (ex. to grab a behind-the-saddle bottle) what happens to that extension (i.e. does it flop around)?


Love the bars from a design standpoint. Two improvements I'd recommend are a lower pad stack (you can always add spacers), and the ability for more pad fore/aft adjustment. An option for upturned ends (mini ski bend) would be nice for both the basebar and aero positions. Oh, and I want a pony ;).

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Thanks! Fit is really flexible, pad stack height is currently adjustable on 5mm increments up to 40mm. Overall bar height can also be adjusted by adjusting the height of the stem. Bar height in aero is adjusted by the angle of the bar as it sits in the stem. Pad width is adjustable on 3/8" increments. I'll post some stuff on the site with fit photos and info.

First prototype I ran for over 2500 miles and would shift in both positions with mechanical shifters. It is easy to shift when out of aero lending itself well for climbing.

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Can't really help with the pony but If you make horsey sounds when your riding, it's close:)

The left and right side are mechanically linked so the both have to move in unison, no flopping... it's the link that makes the arrangement stable during the transition.

The production model can have any bar end you want, ski pole bend, road bike horns or straights. I hear you on the risers, we are doing just that.

Thanks!!

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One thing the wind tunnel won't quantify is the aero benefit of being able to brake for corners without getting out of position. Say you're going downhill through rolling corners...

Depending on the course that benefit can be substantial and is additional to the headline saving.

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I think it would sell with a 3w gain (and I'm being conservative with that btw). The safety and travel aspects alone would make it worth it for me.

Over/under on 5w. I'll take the under :)

I don't say that to rain on the parade, just trying to have realistic expectations. I think it's a slick piece of kit even if you don't consider potential aero gains. I'm also comparing it to a fast base bar. Versus a slower base bar with upturned brake levers, or a round base bar, or.... heavens... drops.... you're probably looking at ~6-7w, ~10-12w, and ~15-20w+ respectively.

I agree with this 100%. I do St. Anthony's ever year and, by my count, there's 23 turns where you have to get out of aero and on the brakes. If the MORF bar can save you 1 second per turn that's 23 seconds which is about the equivalent time savings of ~5watts of drag reduction. That's nothing to sneeze at!

I've stated this in another Morph thread, and I love the attention the bar is getting. But here's what I think could take the bar to the next level:

1. full carbon construction
2. enve p5x style stem that is universal, can work on any frame. silicone impregnated carbon to prevent slippage (bikeahead nsa)

horrible sketch in attempt to get idea across (yep, those orange masses represent Morph hinges on a carbon bar). Kind of wish Frank would team up with Nick Salazar on this bar:

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I hate to say it, but you're never going to see the MORF-Tech take the shape of anything approaching the Ventus or a modern carbon aero base bar. At least not with the current linkage.

With regards to the ENVE/Cervelo "modern quill stem" I've stated elsewhere that I don't think this is a good idea. It's one thing to have a seat post slip but it's a whole different ballgame if your front end suddenly drops on you. Anyone who thinks this can't happen is fooling themselves. I *hope* it doesn't happen to anyone but I know it can happen. I travel with a beam wrench and supergrip and I've had a seat post using the same mechanism slip. It can happen. To me, it's unacceptable for that to be a risk on the front end of a bike.

My $0.02 is that the first MORF-Tech bar will be an example of function over form. It might not be drop-dead gorgeous but I suspect the pointy-end of the field will adopt it fairly quickly as there isn't much aero fruit left to pick. As time goes on and more people try the bar and say to themselves "hey, this really is better" and most will get over any perceived aesthetic deficiencies.

I'm in for the over.

andhHey I even know someone who can test it ;-)

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I kind of like the shifters being at your finger tips when riding out of the saddle on a steep varying grade when you lose momentum to sit down to shift, or you are accelerating over the top of a crest and getting up to speed and you need to do one more shift before sitting back down and getting aero....then you quickly got up to speed and you collapse your body and the bars into the aero position and squirt a few feet further forward on the same energy utilization.

Yeah, anti slip treatment impregnated in the carbon or eight pins dropper post technology pins to prevent slipping - problem solved?

maximizing pad x/y fit via a enve style stem (updated quill stem) could make a super bike of any normal bike. The advantage of such a design is the ease in which it can be adjusted on the fly. I have a Gen2 SpeedConcept - there is no adjusting pad stack height on the fly without pulling the rear der. cable out (1x). I'd like a system where I can just stop during a ride and change the height or reach of the aerobars as quickly and easily as I can adjust my seatpost.

But I'm more interested in seeing the Morph bar succeed, so I won't derail the thread any more - but maybe it's a valuable design consideration

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Funny you mention that. I did a 20 minute test outdoors today at a park where the perimeter road was a loop with a turn roughly every 1/4mile and I noticed a nice power spike every time I went from the base bar down to my aero bars. E.g. coming out of the turn I was pushing ~260 watts trying to keep things evenly paced but when I'd go down to aero I'd see a spike into the mid 400s for a brief moment on my Garmin (3 sec avg).

Test was on my Shiv with an Alpha X fwiw.

Now that I think about it though, that's so situational and rare in triathlon and TTs that I doubt the potential benefit is worth calculating. Unless you're Tony Martin :)

I think the travel benefits could be huge. Honestly, you would lop a serious amount of time off the packing process for Air Travel, unless I am not thinking about something.

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Love the concept Frank and signed up for updates. FWIW and likely something you have considered, but a bi-axial or U-joint approach may allow for a more flexible/ergonomic final wrist position. Conic or bi-axial hinged joints could yield a final, single lock, ski bend position. The U-joint could be more flexible, but has more control challenges.

Look forward to your progress.

Take him up on the offer! I'd like to see how a prototype fares.

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I'd be willing to buy a pair of these if they were UCI legal... which I am going to assume they are not.

I'll try to get Frank in here to answer some of these questions... maybe he'll start a separate thread... but *I think* he's submitted drawings or possibly a prototype to the UCI technical committee. Depending on how you interpret the UCI's rules, these may/may not be legal. My $0.02 is: don't get your hopes up for this year but don't cross them off your list forever.

So basically

- more aero than a use tula set up
- let's you shift in aero or cowhorn positions
- let's you brake in aero and cowgirl positions
- makes your bike more portable
- makes your bike more storable
- let's you time trial in aero or die setup without any compromise of safety and handling when you need it

If the weight is ojay and with the stem based bracket (lollipop) that accommodates a torpedo bottle and computer bra ket....then it seems ideal

speaking of riding out of the saddle....I don't see any testing or video of grabbing by the horns when in open wing position and cranking up a steep grade.

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You could. It's built like a friggin tank.

Any idea on what the cost of this will be?

I'm afraid that is hardly proof. Tanks are indeed built like tanks, but even a 20mm projectile can breach the armor.

The forces acting on a handlebar can be three times your body weight, it is not wise to assume that how something appears to be made is indeed how it will act under load.

If you've never seen anyone snap a stem, clamp, or handlebar, it's not pretty at any speed.

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I totally agree. I don't want to be Frank's PR piece but he's a proper mechanical engineer (oil industry) and he's told me the bars are being designed to handle very high loads and will be tested to that end (in accordance with... and probably well beyond... ISO standards).

I do not know, sorry :/

Same here. I liked the concept since back in 2008 when I saw this version (I'm bummed the video doesn't still play)

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ABarnes and GreenPlease - you both are spot on. There is a new video coming out in about 2 weeks where I tried to show really working the bars, don't know if it is really clear though.

Ultimately it will come down to the product testing we plan to do. There is an ISO 4210 stem fatigue test that is quite stringent. We plan to perform that 3rd party test in two directions, one on the bar hinges and the other on the locks. In addition to that test, we plan on doing articulation cycle testing under load as well as static load testing in both the hinge and lock directions. I'll update the site with testing videos once we get all of those done, expect to be completed before the end of Q1 this year.

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Funny thing, we will be Tuscon January 16th with 3 bikes on our way up to the IBD Summit in Pheonix January 17-19. Any and all in the area are welcome to give them a try. If there is enough interest, we could set up somewhere for folks to stop by in both cities. Let me know if that would be worth while!

Thanks,
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I looked at that. Like you said, it is really tough when it gets to the locks. I have a couple more bar assemblies we are putting together this weekend with different bar ends. I'll update the site with it, I think you'll see how easy it is to install a different bar end whether it be a ski pole bend, or road bike horn shapes, really flexible. Keep an eye on the site, probably have those pics up this weekend.
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We are USAT and WTC approved. UTI is still a work in progress but all initial conversations and indications are quite positive. The UCI technical committee meets twice a year, the next meeting is this spring. We are on the docket for TT, will keep everyone posted on the site with how we fare. I think there is a chance we would be for TT events.

As for cost, we are still working on manufacturing costs, we will be Made in the USA. That is important to me. Our target sales price is about 450-500. Not set in stone yet, but comparable to a mid level cockpit today.

Thanks,
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Finally looked at the internals of that bar. Surprisingly, the linkage is quite different.

How are you dealing with patents? I assume that you've either licensed the IP, or these are out of patent?

EDIT: Frank messaged me privately to say that he has a patent attorney and they've done appropriate work in this area. I'm confident enough that this issue is well covered and we'll see the product come to market without issue.

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That older concept has both a larger frontal area and a larger wetted area in the aero-position, which removes some of the advantage.

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I fail to see how full carbon construction would "take the bar to the next level".
What advantage to you think it will impart?
Weight - Maybe/Maybe not. Perhaps the joints could be built in carbon but likely they'd end up being metal parts bonded to carbon. Any point?
Strength/Reliability - Probably not. It's easier to understand the stresses with metals or homogeneous plastics.
Aerodynamic savings through shaping? - Maybe/Maybe not. In the bullhorn position, aerodynamics isn't very important. Conventional bars are designed with aerofoiled base bars primarily to reduce their drag while in the aero position. In this case there is no base bar while in the aero position. It's difficult to see a way to shape the bar for drag reductions in bullhorn position without adding drag and/or reducing "configurability" in the much more important aero position. Form should follow function. Everything else is just marketing nonsense. In the long run people will come to appreciate the shapes that are most effective, not the ones designed to follow a trend.

Carbon fiber is a wonderful material for many, many applications. However it's not universally "better", despite public perception. Yes, for plenty applications it does permit more design flexibility, weight reductions, etc, but that doesn't mean anything not made of carbon is inferior or missing a trick. I'd sooner have something well engineered in aluminium alloy, steel or titanium, than half-assed in carbon any day.

That looks like quite a tidy design. I really like what you're doing, and that you appear to be doing it well. I'm interested partly because of the potential aerodynamic savings but mostly for the functional and safety superiority it should offer. I've never liked the conventional base bar+extension set-up on TT/Tri bikes. It works but it's clumsy and inefficient. This is the obvious answer but has been slow in coming. I'm delighted you're making it happen and I hope it goes well for you. I'll definitely consider getting one.

While I am not bit on the current set up in the in the picture for the shifting, if you pair this with Di2 or eTap then I think you have a winner. Also match this up with a nice aero stem like the TriRig where you can bolt on a BTA bottle right on the stem and it would be pretty nice.

I am interested in this for sure.

EDIT: I also like the display they have on their site where they have the bars at just a bit of angle. Would be nice to have the bars angled just a bit up and as they show the armrests level. I think in touring and aero this is the best option. I think it looks like about a 8-10% angle

If you keep a similar shape as today's bar, you can easily make a stronger and lighter bar using carbon fiber with a honeycomb core.

That's likely exactly how I'll test at A2 on my Shiv: Alpha X vs MORF + Sigma X (assuming I have a prototype by then).

As a design engineer, I say you're spot on...if only more people would apply this to the concept of bicycle rims NEEDING to be made out of a single material too :-/

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Do you mean just the bar itself or the cockpit as a whole?
Have you any argument as to why you think this is true? The assertion alone isn't convincing.
It doesn't seem quite so obvious to me that carbon would be particularly beneficial, and I'm not entirely ignorant on the subject.
Carbon manufacturing for something like this has a lot of downsides and sometimes the upside is nothing more than public perception. In this case, especially for a first release, aluminium alloy seems better than carbon to me. In the long term it may remain so or it may not.

If you keep a similar shape as today's bar, you can easily make a stronger and lighter bar using carbon fiber with a honeycomb core.[/quote]
I don't see a carbon/honeycomb core working with the current linkage design.

I don't see a carbon/honeycomb core working with the current linkage design.[/quote]It can easily work - I work for a company that makes composite products for aerospace including tons of products consisting of carbon fiber with a honeycomb core. While I haven't seen the MORF bar in person I don't see any problems to include a linkage - we do something very similar in some of our products today.

I'm an engineer too. Coincidence? ;)
Wheels are a great example. My race wheels are Swiss Side Hadrons. Aluminium alloy rim and carbon fairing. When I went looking for deep section wheels, I couldn't think of any good reason why carbon was the best rim material for my needs. However, I could think of several reasons why it wasn't. So I got alloy rims.

It can easily work - I work for a company that makes composite products for aerospace including tons of products consisting of carbon fiber with a honeycomb core. While I haven't seen the MORF bar in person I don't see any problems to include a linkage - we do something very similar in some of our products today.[/quote]
Could it be done in theory? Sure. It would be unnecessarily expensive and you'd have to mold in steel pins in certain areas.

No need for molding - there are suitable inserts that can be added afterwards.

Benv - PM Sent!! Great feedback all, thank you!!

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I dig the black. It hides the joints and makes it look smoother instead of bolted together. Nice!

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Very cool design and execution as shown currently. Miles must just be in the business of selling carbon fiber... Or, he's simply an idiot who's always thirsty for more marketing Kool-aid.

Would love to see a day here in the Phoenix area to come see it and give it a test. Looks awesome.

Sounds good! Send me an email at support@morf-tech.com and we can coordinate it. That goes for anyone in Tucson or Phoenix the week of January 16th.

Thanks!
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FYI, we just posted the new video on the site. It does a better job of showing the bars in action and hopefully further answers some of the previous questions asked. http://www.morf-tech.com

We will be at TruTri sports in Houston this Friday with 3 bikes set up with the bars if anyone is interested in trying them out. Look for the orange tent. Any and all feedback would be most appreciated.

We will also be in Tuscon AZ, January 16th and Phoenix AZ the 17th-19th and can arrange test rides. Email if interested, support@morf-tech.com

Thank you ST for all your fantastic support!
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It looks so amazingly smooth getting in and out of aero.

If anyone goes along could you take video or pictures? I'd love to see more.

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I'm getting seriously interested in these. I need new bars this season.

One thing I don't understand is how you change the reach?
Will you offer different lengths of base bar or bull horn?

Frank,

What kind of maintenance is needed for these bars? Are the cables user serviceable? Do they use a standard size cable (ie. brake or shifter cables)?

It looks like there are a bunch of exposed cables for the linkages and what not. How susceptible are those to rust from the elements, sweat, etc.?

I'm really excited for these and am looking forward to the pre-order opening up.

-Greg

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It is. I'm supposed to get a prototype sometime late February/early March and I'm literally looking forward to that day like a little kid looking forward to Christmas.

I like the design and look forward to the future evolution of your product.

As someone who's seen it and ridden it in person, this is my single biggest concern. I'm not saying I *am* concerned but it's the only question mark on the design for me.

I believe he was using standard brake cables.

A simple vinyl wrap would reduce the exposure of the cables by about 95% and I could see some minor design changes that would allow for the cables to be fully enclosed/shielded.

Just sprinkle some graphene on it...

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Lot's of great feedback and questions - THANKS!!!

Change in Reach - The way the bars are constructed, you can put any length / style bar end you want on them. The video has short straights, but you could put longer straights, 30 deg, 40 deg, etc ski bends, bull horns, etc. We are putting a couple of bikes together with different bar ends, I'll update the site with pics. You can also adjust reach by adjusting stem length, lots of options there.

Maintenance - We are running ISO tests as well as testing tests outside ISO4210. During that test we will be measuring wear, cable stretch, etc. Contamination is a really good point, we will add to that test infusing contamination and salty water to the joints directly to see the type of wear we would see. We are using standard brake and shifter cables from Shimano. If the cables need to be replaced, it can be done, the only tools needed are a 4th hand tool and allen wrench. We'll put videos on YouTube on how to adjust tension or replace cables.

TruTri Schedule - We will be there all day this Friday. TruTri is having a grand opening of their new store. Stop by and ask for Frank or Greg.

Presale Date - We are stilling working hard to be in presale this month.

Thanks again for all the great feedback!!!!
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To save an email: you might consider meloniting the steel pins. It's an amazing surface treatment and it's pretty cheap to do in large batches. Between anodized aluminum and melonited steel corrosion should be a non-issue for everything but the cables. I don't really have any ideas as to how do deal with that other than sealing and adding grease (seal with a vinyl wrap, use heavy grease that's unlikely to migrate).

Drops (i.e. road bike "hooks")?

If so, they might become a road bike racing (or draft legal tri) "breakaway" must-have ;-)

edit: never mind, I just saw the pic on your website :-)

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If you could make the tops a little larger and flat you could potentially have the armrests bolt direct to the tops and in regards to using them with drops you could then just tape that area to be used with no armrest while racing.

I don't know why but that's really appealing to me. I bet the penalty for the drops is really low in the aero position. Might actually be an aero benefit, ha!

It would give you the "inner" position (plus a bit more reach) afforded by Scott "Rake" bar accessories, but without the extra drops/levers hanging out in the wind :-)

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I LOVEDmy Scott Rakes back in the day (and even preceded them to some degree by using Ontario bar ends on my drops, angling forward). I could get damn low and narrow with them....but lots of people had stability issues with them, speed wobbles, etc.

Dunno I'd want to be riding with a bunch of people using a more-bar equivalent....

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No reason to engage the narrow position when still in the group...and with not needing to take your hands off the bars (and away from the brakes) to go between positions, you just engage it when you rotate to the front of the breakaway, disengage when you rotate back :-)

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I personally rode Frank's bike last week to test ride the bars, and I LOVED them. The functional adaption process in both my mind and arms was very quick to learn and took about 1 minute to get comfortable with. Absolutely no issues getting into and out of aero position. It's a very intuitive motion, and it just seems to "flow" quite easily and securely.

After my test ride, Frank and I spent a good amount of time discussing the bars, their mechanics, and perspective from an athlete/Ironman racer. Frank was very in-tune with everything I suggested, and also in answering any of my concerns about the bars.

I am looking forward to going out on some longer test rides with Frank and really put the bars to some more real-street testing.

If I can answer any questions or provide further description on my impression of the bars, please ask.

I left by telling Frank that I think he has a great product in the works, and that I definitely want it.

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Fascinating these and potentially a real game-changer. I'd be very interested in a set of these, I would want to know if they are compatible with the Di2 brakes please?

I would bet they are. I like these for a very aero set of levers and some blips. Very clean set up. Di2 brake levers would really clean this up as well. Mechanical looks the worst of the three to be honest

For a setup with road bike drops, I don't quite see how that works with shifting while you are in aero. Your hands would sort of be on the hoods, but at a weird angle.

Depends on what shifting option you are using. You could tailor this to work very well with the right system.

BMANX wrote:

Depends on what shifting option you are using. You could tailor this to work very well with the right system.

...or, you just keep your hands in the drops ;-)

That said, if your hands are on the hoods, it's pretty easy to shift (and lightly brake) anyway...

The real question is if the USAC officials would let you race with it :-)

edit: Looks like USAC rule 1i1d might be a "sticking point":


Looks like the closest you could bring the drops together is 25cm...

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The hoods would function like ski bend extensions.

I don't really see too many people using the drop bar option. I think they just wanted to show that any type of bar extension would work.

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What about a technical race like Alcatraz or Norseman or a road cycling soloist.

I have been asking for years and years for someone to come up with an aero drop bars with an integrated aerobar but these are something that take that request to the next level.

If they can make the tops just a bit wider and get rid of the arm rest mounts and just have the armrests bolt right onto the top of the bars on the wider tops, you could bolt on some small armrests or just tape the tops. Sometimes less is more.

These are extremely interesting and with the drop option like others have said you can just to the lever tops as your hand position in the aero position and just pull them back for normal riding. The more I see these the better they look.

I can confirm that they are Di2 compatible.

Something I was pushing Frank to do was consider a version with with one of these brake levers installed so that you could modulate the brakes with just your index finger (like you would on a mountain bike).

This one's easy. I had essentially this setup about 12 years ago:






It saved over 5 watts. IIRC, Andy did something similar, even longer ago and saw roughly the same savings.

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I just rode them with Frank (the inventor) near my house, on wet streets, in the dark under occasional streetlights - pretty much the worst conditions you would want to be in aerobars. I was shocked at how solid they felt. It's seriously impressive. And they work!

I have to run to a meeting, so here's links to a couple pics I posted on Instagram. Be back in a bit -

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPNQ0cjAYcE/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPNF61tgxxG/

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Not sure if this has been answered yet - will there be internal cable routing?

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Right now there are zip tie holes that secure the cables to the bottom of the bar nice an tidy. We are working on another means that is psuedo internal. Will post pics when we get the bars modified with the feature.
Thanks,
Frank
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It wasn't on these. But you could easily zip-tie them in place if you wanted.

The upside of the current design is you can remove the handles completely off the bars. That allows you to run whatever handles, brake levers, and shifters you want. Since they don't run through the bars, the bars don't care what you use. Sure, you get a couple of exposed cables when they are folded out to the sides, but it doesn't matter because you are sitting upright anyway.

If these were on the market, I'd put them on my road bike for sure. I love the bullhorn look when you're just cruising. And then you want to go aero, just snap them forward.

There's also a simplicity/minimalist thing about them. You get both types of bars in one, but the other type is always missing at the moment. It made the bike look and feel lighter and more elegant to not have as much junk hanging off the front end like a triceratops.

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I see these being big on the track when you are starting to wind up your speed you have them in the bull horn position and then when you are up to speed just snap them into aero and you do not have the basebar any longer. More aero.

I was also surprised when I didn't feel scared being in aero without a base bar to escape to. Because you have the brake levers right there in your hands, you can scrub speed without having to let go of your bars to get to other bars. Honestly, I think they could be safer than standard aerobars. We were riding downhill on wet pavement into intersections and I always had the same brake levers in my hands, no matter where my hands were. It was a bit surreal.

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I would love to set these up on a pair of bars to try out but I am up in Canada.

I have run an aero or die set up in the past and it was fine and I was never worried. Vision aero levers worked great in such an application and minimal frontal exposure.

I agree with you regarding safer.

Just wait until you have to ride your normal tri bike for a few weeks post-MORF like me. You'll have a moment where you say to yourself "this is bullsh** I want that MORF bar back." Lol.

Yeah, and I keep thinking about how this opens up the world of road bikes for me again. I don't want to ride my nice road bike because it doesn't have aerobars. Knowing how much faster aerobars are, it drives me crazy to ride a regular road bike without them into any kind of wind. But I also don't want to slap goofy looking clip-ons on my nice road bike and look like I'm trying to crochet spaghetti at 18 mph. These bars look cool and would weigh less and get me aero whenever I wanted.

If these take off as a popular product, I could see them being utilized by nearly all road bikes at all prices. They just worked. And they aren't that complicated, far less so than gearing and shifting mechanisms that come on most bikes already.

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It would be cool if you could change from drop to tri extensions on the same bike for the perfect tweener. Brake levers/ shifters would probably make this too difficult though.

With Etap you probably could.

Are there any rules about changing or modifying equipment during a race? Of course changing bikes is legal, but I'm thinking about golf where it is prohibited to alter your clubs during a round. Anything like that in cycling that could interfere with using these?

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You are not technically modifying anything other than your position.

Tucson peeps - if anyone wants to try this out, I am meeting Frank in the 4th Avenue parking lot of Mansfield park at 6:30pm tomorrow.

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Two wheels good. Four wheels bad.

How was it?

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awesome :-D
i started a review but got distracted by work, will post it later tonite

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Two wheels good. Four wheels bad.

Thank you guys for stopping on your way thru Tucson!

I got to try out this handlebar last night for a few rounds in a parking lot and my first impressions were WOW, AWESOME.

Positive thoughts (mostly):
Learning curve is seconds. It is super intuitive and very easy to learn to use. It is much safer than a traditional tri/tt-cockpit setup.

This bar would be great for anyone who is a bit jittery about their bike handling skills or new to riding, or just doesn't like the idea of not having brakes at the fingertips at all times. I'd let my kids ride this thin.

It could also help those folks who cannot afford (or do not want to) have multiple bikes - a dedicated tri bike and road bike, but like both and like to go on group rides - you may still get some nasty looks from your roadie comrades, but once you get into aero at the front of the pace line and take off, they will be green with jealousy!

Drawbacks:
the bar operates with brake cables looping around inside that could brake, fray, lengthen over time, requiring maintenance, and it doesn't sound like this is very easy to do based on my quick peak at it. Someone with limited bike mechanic skills may be discouraged to own something that complex.
The cables that pull the joint result in quite a bit of friction to operate the bars, which was noticeable when just playing with it off the bike, but was not noticeable so much while riding, and it may even be preferable.
It is not for weight weenies in its current form, the thing is solid, but quite heavy compared to a good CF cockpit.

Overall I think it is a great invention, and is something truly new in bicycling technology that we have not seen in a while. It will be interesting to see the different bar end attachments (bullhorn, ski tip) that will make this bar quite versatile, and to see what a potentially compromised position between aero and basebar positions for both road and tri/tt applications this bar will allow.

Overall, I liked it a lot, and it was very easy to ride it.

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Two wheels good. Four wheels bad.

Driving home today I noticed a bike on top of a car next to me with "MORF-Tech" on the downtube. I didn't realize they were based in my area. From the short look I got they looked pretty sweet, hopefully I'll get a chance to ride them someday.

Did anyone else get a chance to ride the MORF bars? Reviews?

Send us an email at support@morf-tech.com and we can arrange a test ride! Looking for any and all feedback.
Thanks!!
Frank

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They were taking the bike back from me.All my thoughts with video on the way...

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I'll have a prototype and some preliminary aero data soon enough for everyone :)

Here are my thoughts, some pics and a short video of it. Love em. I need a pair.





http://badig.com/...morf-tech-prototype/

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Useful review.

In the 'road' position it's not quite as sleek as it could be (see below), though I suspect it will still test faster in 'aero', especially with a rider. On the other hand, the construction looks robust.

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Great review!

Question, in the video you posted, you were pausing between the aero and bull horn position. During those pauses, were you locking the bars in place, or just holding them there?

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I would like to see the pads lower if possible the stack looks high.

Unless it's a different version than I rode, he was just holding them there. The only place you can lock them is all the way back in the base bar position. The bars don't actually lock in the aero position (at least mine didn't). This doesn't compromise stability at all IMO.

Every time I see this thread it makes me want my bars more and reminds me how archaic a traditional aero setup is.

After watching your video... admit it... the first time you go to aero takes a bit of faith, doesn't it? :)

Frank mentioned to me that will be adjustable via traditional spacers. Functionally, there's no reason you couldn't directly mount the arm cups/pads directly on the bar IIRC.

I haven't talked to Frank in while about things, mostly because I made a decision that I wouldn't ride them this year. That decision had to do mostly with not knowing for sure if they will STAY legal and the possibility that a rider could move from an aerobar to a basebar, not lock it out, and have some sort of handling issue on a descent, turn etc.

This response is not necessarily just for you, but for anyone else that has ridden the bars. I love the innovation but I guess like when it comes down the Ventum, I am not sure I personally want to be the guinea pig on CRITICAL new bike gear. Now that the Ventum has more ride hours, my confidence has grown. I am sure my confidence will grow with Morf as well if it makes it into production and we get lots of ride hours on them.

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I've been thinking about that as well. What occurred to me is that, in a worse case scenario, my hands are still on the brakes thus allowing me to scrub speed. Let's say I'm coming down a hill going into a turn and I can't lock the bars back for some reason. I can still scrub most (if not all) of my speed. I might topple but I won't be going very fast.

I've also weighed, in my mind, the potential safety aspects of his bar vs the safety of a regular bar. Things are a bit different for me than for you in a race. My age group often goes off in the middle of the race and, at larger races, I'll pass hundreds of people on the bike course. IMO, in that scenario, the safety benefit of an extra second of reaction time afforded by the MORF bar outweighs the safety detriment of a potential mechanical failure. Also, very few of my races have any significant elevation change. For me, the safety math favors the MORF bar. For you, I could see how that might not be the case until it is more proven.

That said, I'd hope Frank has put a lot of thought into this aspect of the design. He did mention to me the pins are redundant: e.g. if one pin fails to lock but the other pin does lock then the entire bar will be locked back. Perhaps at some point he can come on here and talk about failure points and how he dealt with them.

No locking. The only locked position is all the way back at bullhorn position.The movement is tight enough though that you really don't need it. The bars stay put where ever you move them to. For me, it really was an Ah-Ha moment when I started riding in all the various positions inbetween full aero and bull horn. That was one of the great things about the original Scott bars (although there's likely just a few people left on this site that rode those), all the hand positions it afforded.

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Great write up TJ, THANK YOU!

Great feedback by all, I'll try to answer everyone's questions best I can.

Arm pad spacers - you are correct, there will be a much shorter spacer under the pad support. There are several spacers that can be installed to adjust height. The ones seen there are about 12mm, standard will be 5mm. I agree, it looks pretty tall as the unit sits right now.

Safety - I completely understand this concern and appreciate the feedback here. This has always been my number one concern and number one priority. The second prototype that I put 2500 miles on was in no way even close to a refined product. I had the lock mechanism attached to outer portion of the bar where the hands make contact. This meant that the load of locking was taken through the cables which is not ideal. So I moved the lock in to the center pivot point for each bar end and energized it with a stiff spring. All loads from the locks are now centralized into as few components as possible reducing failure points. As Greenplease noted, there are two locks, one for each arm. Each arm is mechanically linked and one cannot move without the other. Both locks must be disengaged in order to move the bars, i.e. Redundancy. That said, what happens if the bars aren't pulled back far enough and aren't locked at all. On the first prototype, there were times during my training (on that not very refined prototype, not these bars) that the locking mechanism wasn't working at all. I could still manage it because the load applied is down and forward, not just forward. Tom, I think as you put it, we just need more miles on the product to get some folks more comfortable with it which is totally understandable.

Lock location - The bars are designed for a single lock position in the fully upright or retracted condition. The original prototype had a ratchet that locked in multiple locations but I found people struggled keeping the trigger released to allow it to go all the way to the aero position. With the single lock position, the lock is much simpler, more robust and reliable.

Again, thanks everyone for the feedback!!! I love the support. Stay tuned, presale is going to happen very soon!!

Thanks!
Frank
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I can appreciate someone hesitant about new innovation. Especially one that has moving parts that previously didn't. Like what was previously mentioned though, your hands are still on the brakes at all times, and if the lock out failed, you still have full access to brakes and shifters. You also have arm strength, meaning holding a bar position in place wouldn't require much effort at all. In close quarter riding like age group and draft legal, these bars have the upper hand all day long.

I also look at this type of innovation much different than the likes of the Ventum frame. This to me is akin to clipless pedals, aerobars, or the gripshift. Changes the way you ride as well as creating change elsewhere on your bike because of change.

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Frank - do you have a range of price points you are looking at?

Looks pretty sleek, but without wind tunnel data can anyone really make a decision? Also cost will be a big factor. What do they consider a "mid ranged cockpit" cost to be? The cockpit that came on my leftover b10 seems pretty winged and aero. Even without wind tunnel data I don't see see myself gaining any real speed from dropping a ton of money. Also I worry a little bit about fast reaction handling. It's one thing on a pretty controlled environment but when you get cut off can you react quickly?

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I'll probably be the first person to have 3rd party wind tunnel data and that will be sometime in early March. I'll be comparing the bar against an Alpha X. Regarding reaction times and safety, I'm 100% convinced on this aspect of the bar. Personally I'm more skeptical about the aero advantages but, as I've said before in this thread, even with no aero gain I'd still race with this bar for the safety aspect and the potential time savings through turns. YMMV.

Agree. And for me, to have many different positions during long rides or group rides is an enormous plus.

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Hello GreenPlease and All,




I like the Morf bar concept because I can use my tri bike in a group ride (in the base bar position), it will be easy to ship without much disassembly, ...... and the number one reason I can use aero or die bars until the aero data arrives ........

....... by relying on a Tom A. comment as data ....

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ost=2967996#p2967996

In Reply To:
Assuming the optimal position can be achieved, which bars are the fastest? UCI is not a concern.


"No base bar...i.e. "Aero or Die". Seriously."


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(Which agrees with my preconceived notions ...... )

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These set up with a cool Di2 or eTap set up would be great. Also I think when we get feedback the overall bar is not that aero but when you are riding in the aero position and do not have a basebar sticking out in the wind, I bet these test very fast. I love the concept and with a bit of refinement these could be the fastest available.

Edit: I wonder if you could have the brake levers twist inward to actuate the locking mechanism so that you could get away with the other levers and just have the brake lever do double duty.

Hello BMANX and All,

Good idea .... but com'on ... gotta leave some improvements for future evolution ....

Carbon fiber ..... graphene ..... maybe gyroscopic stabilization ..... no stinkin' handlbars ..... just body weight shift

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmwphWoAez4

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Presale price panning to be $499 plus tax & shipping.

As for tunnel data, we have seen approximately a 5-7 Watt gain but I am not happy with the tests and I don't want to publish anything until we have run more scientific tests. We need a bit more time to finalize some changes to the design, then we'll head to the tunnel.

Thanks!
Frank

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Coffee out the nose!! hilarious.

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Not a specific reply, but in case you missed the email, the pre-sale is open on the Morf website!

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I'm very, very tempted.

However, I've two concerns standing in my way:

1. What if I'm not allowed to race with these? They are WTC and USAT approved, but I'll be doing local triathlons and duathlons too. I've no idea if local race officials will allow them or if they're likely to say "What's that? I've never seen those before and they look dangerous. You can't use that bike."
2. It's normally my policy to hold off on expensive or safety related stuff until it's been well used by others and has a track record. The price is reasonable but still a significant chunk of money and it's certainly safety related. On the other hand, I'm pretty confident Frank has done competent design work here and the risk is low.

I've little doubt this is the way to go for Tri bikes in the future. The question is whether to jump now! I'd certainly like to.

What is the reach on that setup? (middle of pad to end of extension)

My only concern on these is fit for smaller riders, but looks like they would be fine unless your under 5' 5" or so.

I'm considering a pair, even though I do UCI sanctioned TT's. I don't see any rules that specifically excludes them, nor do I think a commissaire would pay much attention to them.

I believe they are adjustable by changing out the extension tips or just cutting them down.

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Yes. But you don't want to go too short or your compromising your hand position.

Thanks for the shout out!! Yeah, we're pretty excited to get them out to the masses.

The distance from the center of the stem to the end of the bar without extensions is 19 cm (7.5"). From there, the extensions are added. The extensions sold will likely be 15cm (6") long but can be cut down to length. The bike in the photos has 3.5" extensions bringing the distance to 11". If the bar ends are too far out, it is always possible to put in a shorter stem as well. My 10 year old has ridden our 48 cm P2C, but it isn't optimized for her:). If you have a specific set up you would like us to take a look at, send me an email with dims and a pic and I'll be happy to look at it. support@morf-tech.com

Thanks!!
Frank
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1 - Approvals - I completely understand your concern. We have discussed with the ITU technical committee. They are good with it in principle but want to see the ISO testing before sending in the final approval. We are working to have ISO testing complete this month. We won't go out for final sale until that testing is complete and successful.
2 - Thanks for the vote of confidence. We won't release for final sale until we know it is right. But again, I completely understand your concern.

Thanks everyone again for your fantastic support. What a wild ride it has been:)
Thanks,
Frank

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Frank,

Are there any drawings or tables available showing the various dimensions of the cockpit?
I'm riding a Felt IA14, the stock stem can't be flipped and there are not many alternatives if angle or length changes are needed. Therefore I need to get a good idea where the MORF will put the contact points relative to the stem bar clamp. Otherwise I don't know if I'll still be able to get a good fit. I use pretty long extensioons (400mm) so one newly realised concern is that I might not be able to stretch out as much as I need.

We are still working some of those details out. This has become a common question so I need to get more info on the site. For your specific application, it would help to see a pic of your set up so I can get an idea of what a solution might be. If you are trying to figure it out, others will be as well. If there is something we need to do in the design to solve these problems, we'll do everything we can. Send me an email at support@morf-tech.com with pics and we'll figure it out.
Thanks!
Frank
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I can't figure out how the brake cables are routed from the pictures on the site.
I have a slammed stem with a short head tube and centre mount front brake, which makes it almost impossible to use the internal routing of my current aero bars.

The cables are secured to the bars just outside the stem on the center bottom section of the bars and routed around the stem. I am adding an additional cable support bracket that will help accommodate and simplify that. Depending on how short your stem is and if your stem extends past the front of the bike will depend on how the cable is routed. Send me a pic of your set up and we'll figure it out.

Thanks,
Frank
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Frank,

One question I have is, once in the aero position, do you need to use any kind of strength to keep the bars together? The reason I ask is, in some races, when you start to fatigue and your form starts to fall off a bit, the last thing you want to do is exert energy elsewhere.

I love the concept of these bars.

My (admittedly brief) experience with the bars indicates that you do not. Your weight on the elbow pads and the fact that you're gripping the ends of the bars basically locks them in place with no effort. It's hard to describe. That said I haven't ridden them over a surface like chipseal yet.

Thanks for the input...I was just wondering how they'd feel towards the end of an IM bike...I'd hate to have to "squish" them together for that long. I guess you could interlock fingers, which I kind of do anyways.

What if the bars were angled up? I wonder if gravity might want to pull them back...

There are no forces trying to open them back up when in aero. You don't need to apply any pressure on them to keep them closed. I did IMFL with them without issue. Great question!
Thanks
Frank

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No no, nothing like that. Sheesh, that would be a nightmare. It's hard to describe. The first time I used them I expected them to lock out at the front. When they didn't I thought "well I'm going to have to hold them there that seems dicey and unstable" but the reality is you don't. It actually takes a fairly deliberate motion to bring them back to the base bar position. You almost have to pull the handles apart while sitting up. The whole thing is very natural.

To be honest, this is one of those products you really have to try first hand to fully "get it".

Nope, super stable in a Mantis position. When I first tried them the bars were probably angled at least 35 degrees up.

I have a few questions regarding the pre-sale pic.

Do you have to add all levers (gears and brakes)?
I see that bar ends are included. Will all aero bars work? I have a P2. Can I just take those bars and add them to this setup?
Does the popsicle mount work on all standard BTA setups, such as Torhans Aero 20/30?

Thanks!

I doubt the Aero 20/30 will work with the standard mount. Frank would likely have to make a custom mount for those. The systems that will work are those that use a standard water bottle cage (Speedfil, XLab, etc).

Gear shifters are not included but any mechanical or electronic shifters can be used. Brake levers that can accommodate mechanical shifters are available. I am currently working on the final design changes that incorporate the brake lever into the bar assembly, more info to follow. If that design tests ok, they will be included in the presale.

Popsicle stick uses the typical bottle cage type BTA's. I really like the TorHans bottle so I will make an adapter for it as well but haven't gotten to it just yet.

If you want to use a different aero bar, could be used, but would likely need to be cut. The bar tubes that we are using are 7/8", 0.060" wall. I would be happy to look at your particular arrangement in detail.

Thanks!!
Frank

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Did not see this question, but any testing on how the continuous bending of the cables (Shifting/braking) going between the positions may be causing extra wear and tear and possibly also affecting how well the cables move in their housing because of that.

Great question. The first prototype I put 2500 miles on. It didn't have smooth corners and I saw some wear on the jacket. It didn't affect cable actuation, but needed to be fixed. One of the production unit changes is fixing that by incorporating better cable securing. During our upcoming cycle testing, we will include cables to make sure we address it.

Thanks!
Frank

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Interested in your product, but only with the conventional road style horns, to put on my S5 (and make it a versatile road or tri bike).

I have a couple of questions:

When do you think this option may be available (I understand it's not with the current pre-sale)?
Can this be then used with any conventional brakes (I have SRAM Force brakes on my S5 currently) or only the bull horn bar style brakes as featured on your website?

Thanks in advance, cheers,
Laurent

So, what would the range of stack adjustment?

For the road bar attachment, I don't have an estimated time just yet. I need to procure a mandrel type bender that can bend tight radii. We are working hard on the finalized design and testing of the production unit right now but I would image we could have it available this summer. Will keep all posted!

For stack height, currently 25mm but we are looking at options to increase that. Stack height can also be adjusted by running different stem with a higher angle.

Thanks!
Frank

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