I agree with you 100%, but this post should also be in the Lavender Room.

dude, you should do some longer workouts with that much hostility built up. It is just a forum...

if this is that big of a deal to you then you should spend time reading this post to get some perspective

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...;;page=unread#unread

well, what I find ironic is that you're encouraging censorship. censorship is a mark of conservatism. just playing devil's advocate...another irony is that you brought it up...again.

i'm not hatin', just playing devil's advocate. in reality, it's a discussion forum. nobody is going to feel favorably towards every single topic.

kc

But it's a discussion forum about triathlon. Sharing that a major triathlete is pregnant is triathlon-related. Sharing opinions about what that means or doesn't mean for the rest of the world is not. That's what the Lavender Room is for, right? I'd just respond, "please see my post in the Lavender room" and continue my fantasy that the rest of the world should be just like my family and my God there (oops - and just generalizing btw, I didn't waste 2 seconds on that thread as soon as that nonsense started).

It is only freedom of speech when it is stuff they want to hear.

They being both Conservatives and Liberals.

Jar Jar binks can go watch Star Wars - the Slowtwich forum will survive without Jar Jar

Nah - just self censorship. You know that old saying 'If you don't have anything nice to say....'?

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Nobody is promoting censorship, just common-frickin-sense. Do you think Lori Bowden and her partner who are no doubt enjoying their pending parenthood like reading this crap?

Everyone has the right to speak their mind. To those who are criticizing Lori and Keith from behind the protective screen of this forum I hope you have the balls to do it in person the next time you see them at a race.

And I hope you have good dental insurance too.

The internet is a great thing however it seems to give every blowhard on the planet the impression that its their personal soap box.

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Hey Matt-- I hope you are not leaving you and me out of the "every blowhard on the planet" category!

Matt, you need to chill out, too. In fact, I don't see what the pregnancy of a triathlete has to do with TRIATHLON itself, if you want to get technical about it. Unless, of course, we all want to bloviate on the performance-affecting aspects of third trimester training and whatnot.

As far as "hiding" behind a forum, I don't think Art, or most other people on this site (at least as far as I can tell) are doing it. I know I don't, and if I have a problem with someone or something, I'll say it here and to their face, and I carry very good health insurance. Not that I think I'd need it.

I respect respect both side's opinions, and also support Jar Jar's (and his nemesis's) right to say what they want to say WHEREVER they'd like to say it, whether here or in the Lavender Room.

As far as I'm concerned, Jar Jar could have just as easily been told to move it to the Lavender Room. Unless, of course, he'd have followed protocol and appended "OT" to the leader line.

But, that's just my opinion. Any of you have a problem with that? ;-)

Tony in Honolulu

Dude,

If you bail, there will be fewer of US and, relatively speaking, more of THEM. We need all the help we can get.

Haim

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"Why squirrel hate me?"

Unbelievable stuff, really. I'm a little sick of the self-important, condescending smugness. I'm especially sick of rational thought being labelled as "party-line kool aid" when what's offered in opposition is nothing more than hollow parochial marching tunes. You get labelled as a rabid liberal while someone behind thumps you on the head with a bible.

People in the US are always banging on about freedom, yet will happily abide by legislation that erodes civil liberties and the right to chose. Weird.

San Francisco Man Becomes First American To Grasp Meaning Of Irony
Added 2003-02-07 12:58:52
Jay Fullmer, 38, yesterday became the first American to get to grips with the concept of irony. "It was weird" Fullmer said. "I was in London and, like, talking to this guy and it was raining and he pulled a face and said, "great weather eh?" and I thought "Wait a minute, no way is it great weather".

Fullmer then realised that the other man's 'mistake' was in fact deliberate. Fullmer, who is 39 next month and married with two children, aged 8 and 3, plans to use irony himself in future. "I'm, like, using it all the time." he said. "Last weekend I was grilling steaks and I burned them to a crisp and I said "hey, great weather".

I thought you were leaving? Now you're just a troll...

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smartasscoach.tri-oeiras.com

I can duke it out with the best of them Monk as you well know, but you won't find me waving my bible in anyone's face who is celebrating a pregnancy. I keep my blowing within the confines of this insane asylum and to the best of my knowledge you do too.

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Hey! I read that somewhere before... oh, in the same post!

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Ironic, isnt it.

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We're getting farther away from the triathlon aspect of this thread, but I think it's an important topic, what with the general direction that the thread is going in.

I don't defend bible-thumping in the least, and I like to think I spent two decades in the military defending the "right" to privacy (it's one of those "penumbras and emenations" things, apparently ;-), but I also don't have a problem with someone pointing out that we, maybe hypocritically, generally still expect that when a couple announces a pregnancy, that they be married (or at least are going to be married soon) when they do so.

It stopped being a private matter when Ms. Bowden announced it to the world, in my opinion. And that gives us the "right" (there's that pesky word again :-) to opine on it to our heart's content, seems to me.

I'd say that that was my two cents worth, but this being Hawaii (out here), and the cost of living being higher, I'll say that that was my SIX cents worth (you guys seen the price of our gasoline lately? Oy vey!!)

Tony Gee

ok, I enjoyed your post...that was funny and creative.

maybe I'll mimik that and say, great fucking thread...lol. (don't listen to me...I'm drunk again...lol). and actually, you must be too because you copied twice in the story...lol! mine's a chilean cab. yours? (giving you a hug and smooch)


cheers! kittycat

I'm all drunk on self-pity!

Whoa now. Let's put things back into perspective.

First off, no one hasn't wished the soon to be parents good wishes for their news.

Secondly, it's a natural question to ask, "you got married?" or "are you going to get married" when the news of pregnancy comes about...

The context has been twisted to the point where now this issue is a bible thumping, neo-conservative, right wing conspiracy.

I would be the first person to wish the two congratulations to their face and would follow up with the questions I've stated above. Is that so far fetched?

No one is pushing their "agenda" in voicing their views on the matter. I wish both of them a healthy pregnancy and a healthy child.

The rest of you...take a valium...

while you might not care about my commentary, you nailed it.

may I offer you a glass of wine? some cheese and crackers? how about some tasty chocolate.

(I'll feed you till you're fat)

kitty

"it's a natural question to ask, "you got married?" or "are you going to get married" when the news of pregnancy comes about... "



It's not a natural question to me... if someone tells me "they're" pregnant I just congratulate them. How un-natural of me I guess...

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smartasscoach.tri-oeiras.com

Paulo, your European neo-socialist/communist upbringing is showing again (hee-hee). Hey, you haven't heard? There's a red/blue battle here in the States. Everybody's gotta come down on one side or the other. On every single issue.

Antonio

wow, that's one intersting bike. it looks like a fixed gear. is that right? (you know I'm a bike newbie, right? just one year so far...). anway, that's a hot bike. I dig it.

I agree...it comes from a different perspective that is to be respected.

Then I'd assume you'd really like this:

i better not say what I was going to say...it's waaaaay to naughty. you can't show a healthy kittycat a bike like that....

I don't ride French bikes. They smoke and drink too much :-)

Antoine Guerre

Are you still posting?

By the way Tony...it isn't polite to bloviate in public.

If Kittykat says stuff that turns me on...and she is really Mr. Tibbs....does that make me gay?

I know from a good source that kittycat is not mr Tibbs... so looks like you'll need another excuse to come out of the clset ;-)

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smartasscoach.tri-oeiras.com

By the way Tony...it isn't polite to bloviate in public.

It is if you say "excuse me" after you do it ;-)

T.

<<Lori Bowden is having a baby. That's a great news. That people use it as an opportunity to push their agenda on moral values is sick. (and I felt like saying it) >>

You're using it as an opportunity to push your agenda. Why don't you stuff it and shut up already. (I felt like saying it.) Do you think you're God? Do you think only your moral viewpoint is valid? Sheesh.

Bob C.

Well, I thought you said you were outta here already in the first post in this thread...!?

Damn, it *is* time for everyone to start racing again, huh?

<< All right, it's 5PM and I'm not gonna miss my workout over this...

see ya all in hell (since that's obviously where I'm going) >>

Well, you don't seem to be hedging your bet. ;-)

Peace ... and I hope you had a great workout.

Bob C.

If Kittykat says stuff that turns me on...and she is really Mr. Tibbs....does that make me gay?

It makes you neo-gay.

Hahahahaha!!! !

(Sorry, but that just struck me as hilarious).

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You know, a lot of you guys are seriously lacking in morals and responsibility. You should learn from my wife's boyfriend. He always uses a condom.

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Heh....that reminds me of the old joke that went "hey....how's your wife and my kids?" :-)

T.

Good thing I didn't have any coffee in my mouth when I read Halfspeed's post otherwise I would have tested the watertight integrity of my Toshiba laptop.

Heh Tony, that opening joke line reminds me of what happened in my first boat's wardroom when during an Eng. Dept party, a single JO got together with... oh, sorry, can't disclose until 2099 according to the security documents I've signed.

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Jar Jar....weren't you in Star Wars...you know, the tall alien that talek a lot....heh heh

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Somebody had to post it.

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Cool - let's make fun of Down Syndrom kids now.

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TIMMM `EEE

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― Hunter S. Thompson,

Then why did you post this here instead of the lavender room???

You are such a loathing jerk - how dare you make fun of retards like that on the Internet - imagine what that poor retarded bastards parents think about that. I cant believe that you could be such a jerk...



I love that damn picture man...that one is an internet classic!

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What if the Hokey Pokey is what it is all about?

It was neither coffee nor hot chocolate that passed through my nose and onto my keyboard as I viewed your Special Oly. pic... it was the banana I was eating! THANKS A LOT!!!!

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Dude, I "get" the joke. I've seen/heard variations of it a million times.

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You people are all dense. Do you not realize that these off topic posts are what keeps this forum alive. Look at how many views the Bjorn picture post from 2 weeks ago has vs. the Lori Bowden baby post from yesterday. I think the majority of you numbnuts are more interested in having your worldly views heard than you are interested in triathlon topics. These OT posts generate 10x more interest than any on topic post.

Professional athletes, like other public figures, get talked about. If people didn't talk and care about them and what they are doing, then they wouldn't be professional athletes for very long. They would be amateurs doing something for fun instead of professional making a living because no one would pay to see them compete and no one would sponsor them because no one would care what they wore or used. If you don't want people to talk about you, don't be a professional athlete.

As far as the thread goes, Art asked a logical question about something that society does and should care about. I did not read every single post on the other thread, but I didn't see anything directly insulting about Lori and her boyfriend. Certainly, an implication of many posts is that they should get married if they are having a child together. The reason underlying this implication is that many people believe that children are better off if their parents are married. Without debating the merits of this point, implying that two people should do something because you believe that it is likely to benefit their child is hardly a nasty thing.

Art's comment was a little snide, you have to admit.

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Dude, if you got the joke you wouldn't be accusing anyone of making fun of down syndrome kids.

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