"Never argue with idiots. They'll only bring you down to their level, and then beat you with experience."

Don't know who said it, but it seems applicable here.

Wow that Paul Johnson thread must be getting intense, never bothered reading that one yet.

I think I'd rather listen to "Tibbs on Taint" than the usual political vitriol.

If you respond as if it does, you're an idiot and you've just lost the debate

Shit, I did not know the OT threads were a compitition.

So basically you're asking us to do as you say, and not as you do.

You say: "In any event, I'd really like to see the OT threads at least maintain a level of civility. That can only be accomplished if people discuss the thread topic, instead of attempting to marginalize their opposition." and then you proceed to call others idiots in points 1, 2, 3 and 3a of your diatribe. Could you please clarify what you would like to see in the OT threads?

You say: "Their arguments break down, and suddenly I'm a fascist, a dittohead (I rarely listen to Rush, probably less than the guy who called me that) a heathen and a disrespecter of the flag and the military." I think you forgot to mention that you are also a draft dodger.

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"a heathen and a disrespecter of the flag"

if i call you a dittohead am i a disrespecter of the fag, er, of the flag?

oooh, dammit, i KNOW i shouldn't post this.

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Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

You are a big fat booger head and smell like my dead fish's taint.

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customerjon @gmail.com is where information happens.

do fish have a taint?

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f/k/a mclamb6

Wow this thread is getting way, way off taint.

Let's take a deep breath and try and keep it germane.

            Let's take a deep breath and try and keep it germane.
Why is it important to take a deep breath while talking about germans

"You say: 'Their arguments break down, and suddenly I'm a fascist, a dittohead (I rarely listen to Rush, probably less than the guy who called me that) a heathen and a disrespecter of the flag and the military.' I think you forgot to mention that you are also a draft dodger."
- - So I guess that's a "no" from you on acting your age?

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Cousin Elwood - Team Over-the-hill Racing
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What's this have to do with Jermaine? I thought it was more about Tito.

No no no Jermaine hung around Rerun.

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"You are a big fat booger head and smell like my dead fish's taint."
- - I'm guilty on the first point, but what were you doing sniffing your fish's taint, and when did you get the chance to compare mine?

I guess that was you I saw on Saturday, sniffing the bicycle seats at Tri For Fun...

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Cousin Elwood - Team Over-the-hill Racing
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"So I guess that's a "no" from you on acting your age?"
-- So I guess that's "no" from you when called upon to serve your country during time of war?

Mega-dittos Elwood

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Tito? Now why would you bring that up? Everyone knows Janet just had a wardrobe malfunction and her tito slipped out.

Now get it right you commie half a sissy bastard!

"So I guess that's 'no' from you when called upon to serve your country during time of war?"
- - You've made a lot of ass-umptions about me. If you want to lay bets on them all, you'll be broke by sundown. So far you've missed on every one.

You've also batted .000 on relavence, having thus far failed to make a response on point.

So I'm an ass hole, if that floats your boat. Which means you got your clock cleaned in a debate by an ass hole. Wouldn't it make you seem more lifelike if you told everyone that the guy who made you look stupid was actually a genius?

Just trying to be helpful...

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Cousin Elwood - Team Over-the-hill Racing
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You had too much vodka and passed out and TriBriGuy said I couldn't be in the group if I didn't take a sniff.

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Draft dodger: "Just trying to be helpful..."

-- Your country asked for your help in 1968, but you turned tail and ran. So now why don't you try being helpful by stuffing some cake in your cakehole and wrapping your head in duct tape.

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Let me make sure I got this straight...Janet showed her Tito to a heathen German named Jermaine who was a fag that disrespected the flag and called Rerun a big booger head for saying your wife's taint smelled like dead fish....

Once again triall3 cuts through the fog and makes all things crystal clear. I salute you.

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"Your country asked for your help in 1968, but you turned tail and ran."
- - No, I didn't. I just said my record wasn't germane to a discussion of media bias. Explain to me how it is, and I'll give you the details.

"So now why don't you try being helpful by stuffing some cake in your cakehole and wrapping your head in duct tape."
- - After you...

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"if i call you a dittohead am i a disrespecter of the fag, er, of the flag?"
- - Actually, some of my best friends are flags...

"oooh, dammit, i KNOW i shouldn't post this."
- - To the contrary, this topic needed some levity. I was counting on Tibbs and hoping others would help.

The talk has turned to ass-whoopin' - - a sure sign that someone is taking himself far too seriously.

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Cousin Elwood - Team Over-the-hill Racing
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"Shit, I did not know the OT threads were a compitition."
- - We're type A people around here, EVERYTHING is a competition...

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Cousin Elwood - Team Over-the-hill Racing
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no no no no, it was colonel mustard with the wrench in the library...

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f/k/a mclamb6

"..and yet here you are once again."
- - I know, I know, there goes my shot at the Nobel Peace Prize...

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Cousin Elwood - Team Over-the-hill Racing
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now you're saying the nobels smoke peace pipes...sheesh those nobels sure get into a lot of trouble...bet it was William, he did turn 23 yesterday

"I just said my record wasn't germane to a discussion of media bias."
-- you seem to think your decorated father's record was germane, as was John McCain's, John Kerry's and mine, but since you don't have one, of course your's isn't germane, in fact its nonexistent.

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any reason in particular people (names withheld to protect the innocent) are taking the topic so personally?

"any reason in particular people (names withheld to protect the innocent) are taking the topic so personally?"

Well my pet rabbit Foo Foo was beheaded by the Bunnyman Liberation Front back in '86. It's just too too painful. FOO FOO!!!!

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customerjon @gmail.com is where information happens.

I think Cousin Elwood and GJS are in love! I think there is a huge homosexual attraction and they are just trying to fight it. Don't fight it people! Sword fight each other like champions.

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customerjon @gmail.com is where information happens.

Let's have the first annual Slowtwitch taint competition to settle things once and for all.

All those wishing to compete submit a scratch and sniff photo for Mr. Tibbs to judge. Now go trim those hairs and pluck off those little balls of toilet paper.

I have been following the OT´s only for a while, but i wonder why you didn´t just send yourself a letter, read it, understand it and act accordingly.



:-)



Axel

See that would be bad because all this taint talk has got me all excited.

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customerjon @gmail.com is where information happens.

I don't claim to be hero, authoritative figures will vouch for what my father did on Guadalcanal.

You, your service record and my service record remain irrelevant to the discussion, which as I posted elsewhere, was about media bias.

As with every bit of real opinion and fact that I posted, you have offered nothing evidentiary to refute me, nor to make my service record, my career path, my history of substance abuse or lack thereof, the legitimacy of my birth (or lack thereof) my current employment (or lack thereof) or any other personal info about me... in any way relevant to the fact that I was right about the media's bias against the United States in regard to the coverage of events in the Middle East.

Thank you for playing "I'm a flaming idiot." We have some lovely parting gifts for you; please drive safely!!

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Elwood, here's the thing. . .we're ALL jackasses here. Some of us realize it. Some of us don't.

We ALL need to take ourselves just a little less seriously. . .

Wow, do I detect someone making a bid to dethrone Mr Tibbs as the online talent here? Why don't you throw ALL your toys out of the pram - maybe that way you'll get more attention.

Since the Elwood maelstrom arrived from the political forums from whence you came (and I don't think anyone can thank you enough for deigning to tolerate punching below your weight) there hasn't been a shred of humilty, an ounce of compassion, and barely a hint of respect for anyone in any of the posts I've read. Any that have attempted to convey anything like that have been so stiffly done that one can only infer that you're not very used to it. The rest of your so called debating skills are simply thinly veiled insults - you give as good as you get in that department. The only difference between you and the people you seem to be taking such great pains to distance yourself from are that you can spell and punctuate and they have a sense of humour.

This isn't high school debating club, it's a triathlon forum. People are sensititive about things that you may not be aware of - simply dismissing their feelings is arrogant and largely not in keeping with this forum. Perhaps if you calm down a bit, read a few threads that you don't feel able to contribute to and admit that you can learn a little here - instead of stuffing your opinion down everyone's throat the first chance you get - you might feel less overwhelmed.

Respectfully,
Nick

Damn dude what did I do to you? What's a pram?

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nothing - I was just paying tribute to your omnipotence (scrapes away bowing) on the Slowtwitch airwaves.

A pram = a baby carriage? Sorry, I don't have child orientated American English down yet.

"Wow, do I detect someone making a bid to dethrone Mr Tibbs as the online talent here?"
- - Wouldn't dream of it. Tibbs is in a league of his own.

"Since the Elwood maelstrom arrived from the political forums from whence you came (and I don't think anyone can thank you enough for deigning to tolerate punching below your weight)"
- - Do I detect a bias? If you're commenting on the current thread, you couldn't have gotten it any more wrong.

"there hasn't been a shred of humilty, an ounce of compassion, and barely a hint of respect for anyone in any of the posts I've read."
- - I start with facts and opinions, and I'm always prepared to debate and discuss same. I guess it's more respectful to make it personal and move off topic?

"Any that have attempted to convey anything like that have been so stiffly done that one can only infer that you're not very used to it."
- - Again, debate isn't about compassion for the ignorant and mis- or under-informed. It's about making points on topic.

"The rest of your so called debating skills are simply thinly veiled insults - you give as good as you get in that department."
- - Yep, I don't lay down and let morons have the last word. It's a character flaw, I'll admit that.

"The only difference between you and the people you seem to be taking such great pains to distance yourself from are that you can spell and punctuate and they have a sense of humour."
- - I have a great sense of humor. Start a joke thread and I'll show you what I've got.

"This isn't high school debating club, it's a triathlon forum."
- - I think I said that at the top.

"People are sensititive about things that you may not be aware of - simply dismissing their feelings is arrogant and largely not in keeping with this forum."
- - I can't think of a reason I should lose sleep over people's sensitivities over peripheral and/or irrelevant issues. If you want a piece of the discussion, bring it on, but I expect people to stay in the same general area code as the subject. I don't like it when people get personal, and I'm guessing they don't like it when I get personal in return. Here's a tip on how not to have me get personal in debating you: Don't get personal in debating me. Easy, huh?

"Perhaps if you calm down a bit, read a few threads that you don't feel able to contribute to and admit that you can learn a little here"
- - I've learned a lot here.

"instead of stuffing your opinion down everyone's throat the first chance you get - you might fel less overwhelmed."
- - I give my opinions freely. If you like them, you're welcome; if you don't that's your right. If you refute them, you'll likely hear more from me. If you insult me, I'll give better than i get.

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"Elwood, here's the thing. . .we're ALL jackasses here. Some of us realize it. Some of us don't."
- - I think that's a biased remark against the women here... or maybe against men named Jack?

"We ALL need to take ourselves just a little less seriously. ."
- - Amen to that.

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Cousin Elwood - Team Over-the-hill Racing
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[reply]"there hasn't been a shred of humilty, an ounce of compassion, and barely a hint of respect for anyone in any of the posts I've read."
- - I start with facts and opinions, and I'm always prepared to debate and discuss same.[/reply]

Again - with respect - no you're not. The small interaction personally have had with you on a couple of topics is that your opinion is the only one that counts. I think "bullyingly dismissive" is the best way I could describe it. "Agree with me or you're a tool" is another way.

All there is behind your technique of debate is a ramrod straight indignation that anyone should dare to present an alternative opinion. There's no give, no concession to anyone else. If you don't want to take the effect your prose and the style you write with into account, that's fair enough, but if the other children don't want to play with you, it doesn't matter if you have the nicest toys in the sand pit, does it?

Nick

megadittos Elwood, hope you get your own radio show soon

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"The small interaction personally have had with you on a couple of topics is that your opinion is the only one that counts."
- - Some of these OT threads touch on what I consider to be fairly important issues. I get rather intense about it when someone throws out an opinion based on incomplete or dishonest information. I don't blame folks for being misinformed or ignorant, but when I take the time to put my opinions in writing, you can generally believe that I did so with considerable thought and research. I don't remember the exact thread or topic that you're referring to, but I've gotten into several where people's idea of a contrary opinion is "I think you're wrong," or I read somewhere that..." I don't consider either of those probative, and I consider the topics (especially those dealing with international politics and our devolution into socialism) as fairly important. I am rabid in my opinions, and I tend to get a little fired up when someone says something like (after several go 'rounds of not accepting my scientific evidence to the contrary) "Let's not assume that global warming is happening, only that it might be, and take measures to protect ourselves from it..." was that the thread in which you and I tangled?

"I think 'bullyingly dismissive' is the best way I could describe it. 'Agree with me or you're a tool' is another way."
- - I'll concede that I've got attitude. "Give me reason to believe you're not just a pawn in Al Gore's or John Kerry's blind ambition or have me think you're a tool," might be a better characterization.

"All there is behind your technique of debate is a ramrod straight indignation that anyone should dare to present an alternative opinion."
- - With unsubstantiated opinions that I know to be demonstrably incorrect, yes. I plead guilty and don't plan to change.

"There's no give, no concession to anyone else."
- - I don't conced to unsubstantiated opinion. I demand that people back up their talk or admit to being wrong. In the case in point that started this thread, I've got an exceedingly immature prick who not only won't substantiate his bull and won't admit that I've thoroughly substantiated my claims, he goes off topic further with each attempt to insult me. You're not obliged to read his blather nor my responses, but at least give me credit for the following: I substantiated my claim that the media is blaming the US for the terrorist actions of al Qaeda wackos, and I never expressed disrespect for the military as two loudmouthed fools tried to claim.

"If you don't want to take the effect your prose and the style you write with into account, that's fair enough, but if the other children don't want to play with you, it doesn't matter if you have the nicest toys in the sand pit, does it?"
- - Some people don't want to play in the political dung pile. They're entitled to abstain. Those who jump in, should expect to get some on themselves, a lot if they come unprepared.

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Cousin Elwood - Team Over-the-hill Racing
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I like pram. I will now use it to drive my wife nuts like I use the term kit instead of gear and waste bin instead of trash can. Pram is going to be fun.

Thanks!

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customerjon @gmail.com is where information happens.

In those dark days before DSL and ISP's, when a guy actually had to leave his home to find quality hardcore pornography, the ramblings of the lonely, malcontent, middle-aged American male were only to be heard resonating upon the walls of the local post office.

But on that glorious day when the revered Albert A. Gore bestowed upon us undeserving mortals the miracle that is the Internet, we, the bored, cubicle-dwelling soul, finally were given ears to hear every last bit of interior monologue (and in some cases dialogue) of our ranting, and poorly-adujusted compatriots.

SlowTwitch merely a forum for triathlon discussion you say?

I say give the disenfranchised postal workers a forum that their long ignored voices may be heard and that the muzzles of their assault weapons may be silenced.

Rise Up Deliveryman!

Raise your voices and be heard!

The forum is thine!

Warm up the Gore internet chestnut

Nexis search hits for Gore within 20 words of internet.

Don't be stupid.

6 references in opinion columns (4 of them joking)

4 letters to the editor (3 passing the story along, 1 debunking it)

2 passing references in obscure publications

1 use in a direct quote from George Bush

1 jokey reference in a straight news piece from CNBC

6 debunkings, including items in Time and Slate

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iambigkahunatony.com

I think it was a joke dude.

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It was a smear from RNC oppo.

The enemy of the truth is not the lie but the repeated myth.

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Are you saying that Al Gore DIDN'T invent the internet???? Then how are we doing this right now?

wow.

(clapping)

i didn't think it was possible to simultaneously miss your own point (completely) while convincing the undecided/unconcerned (such as myself), that you aren't worth listening to about anything, regardless of your "facts."

that's impressive.

soooo ... now TSR stands for Taint-Smeller Racing ... ?

ewwww ... cancel my order for a jersey.

Hang in there cuz, I love ya. Where else can I get the opinion of a middle-aged, libertarian, Buddhist, war-monger on every thing under the sun?

"Against stupidity the very gods fight in vain." (Schiller)

If it were not already obvious, this thread would make it painfully so: Unmoderated Internet forums will never be the right place to look for reasoned, logical arguments or civility. Unfortunately, as long as people can hide behind their computer screens and usernames, ad hominem arguments will be the order of the day. It's just an inherent characteristic of the medium. So why fight it?

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Two roads diverged in a wood, and I--
I took the one less traveled by,
Which is probably why I was registering 59.67mi as I rolled into T2.

soooo ... now TSR stands for Taint-Smeller Racing ... ?

ewwww ... cancel my order for a jersey.
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my current vote for post of the week..nothing like a good taint joke to throw a guy off....my watery watery eyes...now we need to change the symbol from bishop to????skidmark

What jersey?

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customerjon @gmail.com is where information happens.

What jersey?

Exactly.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Guiches.

Be forewarned: If you ask, I will tell you.

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I'm a sucker. . .What's a guiche?

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Thanks! It's a piercing of the, well, taint.

(Off in the distance, thousands of people stare at their monitors, grimacing, disgusted, while one guy ponders what saddle would work with that.)

I'm like BASF. I don't make the threads sleazy, I just make them sleazier.

Is it just me, or did this off topic thread go off topic? Only on Slowtwitch.

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don't know..but it is spelled an awful lot like quiche and nothing that sounds like quiche can be any good

i didn't want to ask,so i did a yahoo search.

suffice it to say that the words "scrotal ladder" were brought up.

don't need to know no more.

see...told you it sounded too much like quiche to be something good

OK, I'm a curious sort so I 'googled' guiche. I'm sorry I did. I really didn't need to know what a 'Prince Albert' is any more than I needed to know what a guiche is. Oh well, you know what they say about curiousity....

... it pierced the taint?

... don't even bring up ... umm ... cats.

I suppose I should apologize, knowing full well that several people would google it, and knowing that google would be scraping some weird stuff up off the bottom of the internet, but all that taint talk was getting out of control, and everybody was having fun. I had to put a stop to it. ;p

Anyway, I'm sorry. I'm sorry to everyone who googled "guiche" and now knows far more about piercing than they ever wanted to. However, if you clicked through to more than one result link, then you were enjoying it. And that's kind of pervy.

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that YOU looked into more than one of those sites is rather troubling

I wonder if when an athlete who tests positive for drugs says their water bottle was 'tainted' really thinks about that before saying so

Alll of you got off lightly - I googled a protocol for a technique I wanted to use in an experiment, and up came a paid ad offering help with giving up flogging the dolphin. I'm still in shock - I didn't know there were people like that out there.

I do believe this thread was guiched to death. RIP.

" I get rather intense about it when someone throws out an opinion based on incomplete or dishonest information. I don't blame folks for being misinformed or ignorant, but when I take the time to put my opinions in writing, you can generally believe that I did so with considerable thought and research."

So will you admit that you were misinformed and ignorant when you told me "You've been reading too many of his press releases" in response to a comment about McCain? That comment is entirely based on uninformed and misguided assumptions. But now I'm supposed to believe you express your opinions with considerable research? Could you please credit a source? Maybe you could take a step off your high horse and be slightly less condescending.

Thanks for basing your opinion on something other than the facts.

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"So will you admit that you were misinformed and ignorant when you told me 'You've been reading too many of his press releases' in response to a comment about McCain?"
- - Call it a good guess. I may have been wrong, perhaps you just listened to a lot of misinformed people. McCain is still no hero.

"That comment is entirely based on uninformed and misguided assumptions."
- - Perhaps MISinformed, but hardly misguided. I still contend that McCain doesn't fit the qualifications of "hero."

"But now I'm supposed to believe you express your opinions with considerable research?"
- - No, you'll believe whatever you choose to believe. You choose to believe that McCain is a war hero. There are folks here who believe global warming is a proven phenomenon. I can't control the sort of errors to which people will subscribe.

"Could you please credit a source?"
- - A source for what?

"Maybe you could take a step off your high horse and be slightly less condescending."
- - That would run against my nature... ;o)

However, if you get to a thread before some pissant like GSJ or JGS or whatever initials he goes by starts throwing his tantra, you might find me a bit less strident. I tend to get testy with someone who's highest retort is "Mega dittos Rush!" That's the sort of response one gets from someone who doesn't do his own thinking and also doesn't realize that some folks actually DO!!

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Cousin Elwood - Team Over-the-hill Racing
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Watch out Pooks, you're about to become entangled with a deranged psychopath - something has clearly gone wrong with his meds.

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"McCain is still no hero."

What I love is that you're trying to argue this point with me even though I've never taken the opposite position. When have I argued that he's a hero? All I said was that I was offended by your statement. One that I consider to be a gross oversimplification. Anyway....



And no, apparently I can't let this thread die.

"What I love is that you're trying to argue this point with me even though I've never taken the opposite position. When have I argued that he's a hero? All I said was that I was offended by your statement. One that I consider to be a gross oversimplification. Anyway...."

So you agree, but you're offended? Are you just upset to find yourself agreeing with me, or are you upset that I didn't go into greater detail in explaining my position. You know, I've found that keeping it simple is better around here, because there are some very simple people who will jump in without clue #1...

Not you certainly, someone whose initials shall remain nameless!

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Amen, goobie. You hit it right on the head.