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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [NJSteve] [ In reply to ]
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Oh - he got his! Nothing a cheater cares more about than what others think of him. (do I really need to use pink here?)

Right after Litespeed picked him up maybe around '91 or '92 one of my pals and I went up to him to find out about his rig during bike check in for Gulf Coast. Was hilarious my buddy and I are looking at each other just asking questions left and right about his rig b/c we were both looking at ti and all Kevin could do was talk about his races and training and results. Did everything but talk about his bike, just about himself. Kind of embarrassed for him he was so self-absorbed he couldn't even do a cursory 'these frames rock' speech for his sponsor. But no matter I went out and bought one that summer anyway.
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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [M Ernst] [ In reply to ]
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I can't be a porn star because of my....shortcomings...... so I'm an engineer. I got over not being able to live my dream years ago. I pay my mortgage every month. We all have to play the card we're dealt. Cheating and trying to justify it is simply not acceptable.

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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [M Ernst] [ In reply to ]
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She knew you're not supposed to take that why is she surprised
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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [BrianB] [ In reply to ]
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BrianB wrote:
from the post:
"In short, Morgan is the type of individual that you can only seem to find in World War II documentaries in the contemporary world."

This is an insult to the thousands of military men and women currently serving in active combat zones.[/quote
Amen
My father was a Pearl Harbor Survivor.
She's a cheater simple as that
Go out in the real world and get a job if you can't cut it
Real tired of hearing about how bad it is to be a pro.
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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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Soon 65yo and just diagnosed with prostate cancer. Testosterone feeds PC so hormone treatment to eliminate testosterone is a starting therapy. Problem is it takes some time to start working and the T spikes before going down. I chose to "remove both boys" for an immediate 95% reduction. That was done 3 weeks ago today and so I had to back out of IM70.3FL that was 5 days later. SUCKED!!!!!

I now run the risk of bone issues, muscle issues, plus????? with the direct treatment of the cancer soon to begin yet I still want to tri. Took me 13:31:48 to complete 2013 IMFL and have no idea what my next IM will be, but it will be done legally. Broken neck, clavicle, long thoracic nerve injury from bike crash in 2011, arthritic knees that give out while walking with braces on-running not possible, need a total left wrist and a total right shoulder joint replaced due to bone on bone/arthritis, every stroke is painful and sometimes get sick from head rotation during swim but completion is my goal so I will persevere until.....

Just another story from and old fart who started walking races 5 years ago, started swimming 3 years ago, had high hopes of conquering my tri world and instead had total world turned slightly upside down.

DAMN, I do enjoy doing a tri. For the fun of it, that bit of pain during and after, and to think I pay for.
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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [OlderTryGuy] [ In reply to ]
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"I chose to "remove both boys" for an immediate 95% reduction"


If you had dual orchiectomy you are eligible for a TUE for testosterone replacement, it's the simplest reason on the list. Though in your specific case, low testosterone is what you want so replacement testosterone probably isn't on your list of wants.

http://www.usada.org/...ism-testosterone.pdf
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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [Kevin in MD] [ In reply to ]
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Apparently they did not like the criticism and took down the blog....
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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [coolny29] [ In reply to ]
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coolny29 wrote:
Apparently they did not like the criticism and took down the blog....

Likewise, I wish I could have had this thread taken down. I didn't see the unintended consequences coming. To be sure, the character assassination from the sanctimonious, "holier than thou" lot at ST will never pass up a good witch hunt when presented. I did apologise to Morgan for my mistake. Lesson learned.
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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [M Ernst] [ In reply to ]
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It was a ridiculous article/blog. I think even the general public, no less the ST crowd is so tired of the "I didn't know it was an illegal substance" excuse. You have to know that before you post crap like that, got to be smarter than that.

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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [M Ernst] [ In reply to ]
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M Ernst wrote:
coolny29 wrote:
Apparently they did not like the criticism and took down the blog....

Likewise, I wish I could have had this thread taken down. I didn't see the unintended consequences coming. To be sure, the character assassination from the sanctimonious, "holier than thou" lot at ST will never pass up a good witch hunt when presented. I did apologise to Morgan for my mistake. Lesson learned.

That is the second time you referenced "character assassination" in this thread, where you somehow point the finger at ST as the perpetrator. Chaffin, a professional triathlete, was busted for taking a prohibited substance and appropriately banned for two years. She inflicted the harm to her own character in the triathlon community, not some thread on ST illogically seeking solace from a predominantly anti-doping forum.
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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [M Ernst] [ In reply to ]
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M Ernst wrote:
coolny29 wrote:
Apparently they did not like the criticism and took down the blog....


Likewise, I wish I could have had this thread taken down. I didn't see the unintended consequences coming. To be sure, the character assassination from the sanctimonious, "holier than thou" lot at ST will never pass up a good witch hunt when presented. I did apologise to Morgan for my mistake. Lesson learned.

I'm just asking for a clarification b/c I certainly don't want to assume. How or what did you envision this thread turning out to be? Or rather maybe what kind of response did you feel when you digested the blog posting initially?
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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [tigerpaws] [ In reply to ]
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tigerpaws wrote:
M Ernst wrote:
coolny29 wrote:
Apparently they did not like the criticism and took down the blog....


Likewise, I wish I could have had this thread taken down. I didn't see the unintended consequences coming. To be sure, the character assassination from the sanctimonious, "holier than thou" lot at ST will never pass up a good witch hunt when presented. I did apologise to Morgan for my mistake. Lesson learned.


I'm just asking for a clarification b/c I certainly don't want to assume. How or what did you envision this thread turning out to be? Or rather maybe what kind of response did you feel when you digested the blog posting initially?

Simply; acknowledgement that it must be a really, really tough decision to have to quit Tri because of long term health issues and asking all of you to consider how you would act faced with the same decision.

I knew Morgan had stopped running due to the stress fracture and thus racing. I miss read the timing of the penalty in all the process. Did the injury come first or the treatment and thus the penalty? My post has heaped more crap on the situation that has caused a friend additional stress which I am responsible. I feel bad to have unleashed ST upon the situation.
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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [M Ernst] [ In reply to ]
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of course it's a tough decision, no-one has said otherwise. But there is clearly a "correct" decision and an "incorrect" one here (the correct one does not contravene the rules of the sport, the incorrect one does).

The correct alternatives are either to take the medication and not race, or to not take the medication and continue racing. (or to not take the medication and not race, but that isn't really one of the desireable options). The incorrect alternative is to take the medication and continue to race, as that is against the rules of the sport, which are the athletes' responsibilities to know.

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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [M Ernst] [ In reply to ]
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M Ernst wrote:
tigerpaws wrote:
M Ernst wrote:
coolny29 wrote:
Apparently they did not like the criticism and took down the blog....


Likewise, I wish I could have had this thread taken down. I didn't see the unintended consequences coming. To be sure, the character assassination from the sanctimonious, "holier than thou" lot at ST will never pass up a good witch hunt when presented. I did apologise to Morgan for my mistake. Lesson learned.


I'm just asking for a clarification b/c I certainly don't want to assume. How or what did you envision this thread turning out to be? Or rather maybe what kind of response did you feel when you digested the blog posting initially?


Simply; acknowledgement that it must be a really, really tough decision to have to quit Tri because of long term health issues and asking all of you to consider how you would act faced with the same decision.

I knew Morgan had stopped running due to the stress fracture and thus racing. I miss read the timing of the penalty in all the process. Did the injury come first or the treatment and thus the penalty? My post has heaped more crap on the situation that has caused a friend additional stress which I am responsible. I feel bad to have unleashed ST upon the situation.

Ok well I know that must be an uncomfortable situation to be in on your end. If she is a friend perhaps she could explain to you exactly what happened at some point? The timing. The choices. What she did or didn't know. In my experience there are few things more transparent than looking into someone's eyes when conversing.
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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [tigerpaws] [ In reply to ]
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tigerpaws wrote:
M Ernst wrote:
tigerpaws wrote:
M Ernst wrote:
coolny29 wrote:
Apparently they did not like the criticism and took down the blog....


Likewise, I wish I could have had this thread taken down. I didn't see the unintended consequences coming. To be sure, the character assassination from the sanctimonious, "holier than thou" lot at ST will never pass up a good witch hunt when presented. I did apologise to Morgan for my mistake. Lesson learned.


I'm just asking for a clarification b/c I certainly don't want to assume. How or what did you envision this thread turning out to be? Or rather maybe what kind of response did you feel when you digested the blog posting initially?


Simply; acknowledgement that it must be a really, really tough decision to have to quit Tri because of long term health issues and asking all of you to consider how you would act faced with the same decision.

I knew Morgan had stopped running due to the stress fracture and thus racing. I miss read the timing of the penalty in all the process. Did the injury come first or the treatment and thus the penalty? My post has heaped more crap on the situation that has caused a friend additional stress which I am responsible. I feel bad to have unleashed ST upon the situation.


Ok well I know that must be an uncomfortable situation to be in on your end. If she is a friend perhaps she could explain to you exactly what happened at some point? The timing. The choices. What she did or didn't know. In my experience there are few things more transparent than looking into someone's eyes when conversing.

Since you can't do that on ST then maybe all of us should "lighten up" and not jump to conclusions.
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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [M Ernst] [ In reply to ]
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M Ernst wrote:

Simply; acknowledgement that it must be a really, really tough decision to have to quit Tri because of long term health issues and asking all of you to consider how you would act faced with the same decision.
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I think there would be alot more sympathy for her if she quit the sport before she competed using testosterone. That would be a significantly different story. Although the hilarious comparison of some doping to people serving in WWII did brighten my day, so there is that.
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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [M Ernst] [ In reply to ]
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M Ernst wrote:
tigerpaws wrote:
M Ernst wrote:
tigerpaws wrote:
M Ernst wrote:
coolny29 wrote:
Apparently they did not like the criticism and took down the blog....


Likewise, I wish I could have had this thread taken down. I didn't see the unintended consequences coming. To be sure, the character assassination from the sanctimonious, "holier than thou" lot at ST will never pass up a good witch hunt when presented. I did apologise to Morgan for my mistake. Lesson learned.


I'm just asking for a clarification b/c I certainly don't want to assume. How or what did you envision this thread turning out to be? Or rather maybe what kind of response did you feel when you digested the blog posting initially?


Simply; acknowledgement that it must be a really, really tough decision to have to quit Tri because of long term health issues and asking all of you to consider how you would act faced with the same decision.

I knew Morgan had stopped running due to the stress fracture and thus racing. I miss read the timing of the penalty in all the process. Did the injury come first or the treatment and thus the penalty? My post has heaped more crap on the situation that has caused a friend additional stress which I am responsible. I feel bad to have unleashed ST upon the situation.


Ok well I know that must be an uncomfortable situation to be in on your end. If she is a friend perhaps she could explain to you exactly what happened at some point? The timing. The choices. What she did or didn't know. In my experience there are few things more transparent than looking into someone's eyes when conversing.


Since you can't do that on ST then maybe all of us should "lighten up" and not jump to conclusions.

Wouldn't it be awesome to go back a few days and apply that test b/f starting this thread? Or maybe just read what the blogger wrote a little more closely.
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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [M Ernst] [ In reply to ]
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Blog post taken down.

I wonder why?
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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [triFP] [ In reply to ]
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Kind of taken down, it can still be found http://tinyurl.com/k6r42a9
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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [M Ernst] [ In reply to ]
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M Ernst wrote:
coolny29 wrote:
Apparently they did not like the criticism and took down the blog....


Likewise, I wish I could have had this thread taken down. I didn't see the unintended consequences coming. To be sure, the character assassination from the sanctimonious, "holier than thou" lot at ST will never pass up a good witch hunt when presented. I did apologise to Morgan for my mistake. Lesson learned.

Seriously?




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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [tejanatab] [ In reply to ]
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Well, at least someone learned a lesson
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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [wld] [ In reply to ]
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wld wrote:
Kind of taken down, it can still be found
http://tinyurl.com/k6r42a9


It is so hard to read Chaffin's post and ignore the outlandish claims within Branden Muhl's (Mahaska CEO) foreword:
  • "Modern athletic regulatory organizations from the behemoths like the NCAA all the way down to the World Triathlon Corporation (WTC) seem to be regularly overzealous with their enforcement mandates and infringing on the constitutional (and basic human rights) of the athletes who are subject to their unregulated, unilateral, and heavy-handed rule."
  • "I doubt the WTC reviewed any of the publicly available data or medical factors at play in their decision to impose sanctions on Morgan as they do not have anyone qualified to do even semi-educated diligence in this regard."

I can certainly see why Muhl pulled the post. It is more damaging to Chaffin than helpful.
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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [wld] [ In reply to ]
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wld wrote:
Kind of taken down, it can still be found http://tinyurl.com/k6r42a9

The internet never forgets..
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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [wld] [ In reply to ]
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So among others she talked to her coach about the testosterone replacement and he/she didn't raise any questions??

If she doesn't know the repercussions of what she's doing (unlikely) shouldn't any coach of a "professional" know exactly what's going to come her way??
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Re: The horrible choices that professional triathletes have to make. [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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JasoninHalifax wrote:
of course it's a tough decision, no-one has said otherwise. But there is clearly a "correct" decision and an "incorrect" one here (the correct one does not contravene the rules of the sport, the incorrect one does).

The correct alternatives are either to take the medication and not race, or to not take the medication and continue racing. (or to not take the medication and not race, but that isn't really one of the desireable options). The incorrect alternative is to take the medication and continue to race, as that is against the rules of the sport, which are the athletes' responsibilities to know.

Exactly. I also have health issues (including hormonal imbalances, osteoporosis, digestive tract issues), and sometimes my physicians have suggested meds that, as it turns out, are prohibited in competition ( the most recent was a corticosteroid suppository). Each time, I've pulled up the Global DRO, and if it's on the list, asked the doctor if there's something else that's NOT prohibited.

It hasn't come down to this yet, but if I absolutely had to go on something that was prohibited, that would be end of competition for me.

I find her refusal to act similarly really offensive, both to the spirit of sport in general and to others like myself who choose to play within the rules.
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