I asked.....Got sent an email for 25% off...MOP'er here

Steve

Why would I want to give up any aeroness? Besides getting my self lower to the ground where wind speed is less, I also get a lower center of gravity. There are other benefits too but hopefully these are enough for you.

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Hey that is not bad at all just for asking!

Really?

I sent an email yesterday asking if they were going to have a similar sale for Black Friday or in the future, and the answer was "No".

No coupon code either... maybe I should try again.

U must be riding circles around sanders with your 3mm closer to the ground setup.

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Well played!! I got nada. But 25% wouldn't be enough to motivate me anyways.

Ya same here. Although I am more than happy to pay someone for their p1 pedals If they would like to sell :)

I don't quite understand your logic with this. No I don't ride circles around sanders because I don't put out 364 watts for a 70.3. I do ride "circles" around from a watts/kg perspective, because I focus on the little things. It all adds up. Why all the hate for marginal gains, even if it is small.

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Just FYI, these work on their wheelsets. Great deal for someone who is looking for a good set of race wheels at a great deal.

this is true

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I should have added the pink font ha!

no hate for marginal gains but I had so many issues with quarqs and garmin that at this point I just want something that works every single time and it is easy to transfer between bikes.

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The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev

I'm not so sure. It really depends on how the ambassador program is handled at a company, and how much focus they put on evaluating requests. For most companies, there's little to no cost in such programs, especially compared to pro athlete sponsorship's. They'll often still be selling equipment at cost or wholesale cost, so, it's no skin off their back. And even when they give it away, again, it's nothing compared to a pro sponsorship in cost. And many times people are far more likely to trust some random person/influencer they follow than a pro that appears to be saying whatever the marketing department wants to be said.

A company could easily get 10-20 (heck, probably multiples of that) for the price of a pro triathlete. And in most cases, *if properly selected* they'll get far more brand exposure than most pro triathletes, because most pro triathletes frankly suck at brand exposure. They forget that the purpose of sponsorship is to raise awareness for the company. There are of course examples of pros here that do a great job for their companies, but those are frankly few and far between.

Of course...this all goes well beyond the point of this thread (for which there are already many other very long threads on ST talking about it).

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Ray,

Thank you.

I don't disagree with anything you said there.

People who can be real, true ambassadors for a brand - that promote the full value, and the features of a brand/product, and lead to as many sales at MSRP as possible, are pure gold!

The problem as you mentioned is in the screening and scrutiny at the front-end of this. Too many, be they at the wholesale or retail level, don't do this, and the discounts or however the "deal" is structured are just wontonly handed out. Again, in general, a big problem in the business, is a lack of sophistication when it comes to this sort of "marketing" - like most things for it to work really well, it takes, careful thought, work, time and creativity to make it a truly winning exercise.

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I'll pay someone $50 profit if they buy the pedals for me :D

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Me too. A serious offer here.

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Next races on the schedule: none at the moment

Unless it's your buddy, doesn't seem like it would be worth the hassle to bank $50. Or perhaps I'm underestimating Twitchers' esprit de corps...

I'll go $100 (sorry..... :P)

I read through half this thread and had to laugh at all the people that were pissed they didn't qual for the 50% off.

Big discounts have always been available to (elite) athletes that are at the point end of the spear. You don't see the top athletes in the world with shitty equipment. They get the best, most expensive equipment so they can a) perform better b) look better c) get everyone that's not as good as they are to buy those products from the companies that make them.

I think this move is valid and one that others should mimic. Give the best athletes in the sport a chance to market products for them.

What's the issue? Win Win...for KQ and for Saris.

Mad cuz you're not a pointy ender? OK, go KQ.

:P

And I guess I could have the same reaction when one of those pointy ended athletes who makes no money can't qualify for a good rate on a loan. HTFU. Go get a better job, too bad, blah blah blah. It's not quite as simple as just go KQ just like it isn't quite as simple to just go get a better paying job. Yes, we all understand the world works that way but can't we still complain about it a bit in a forum like this ;)

From my understanding the margins for dealers are complete ass. That's probably a big part of why trentnix is so butthurt.

Beyond that, it's a totally different margin structure. Dealers take 35-40% middleman fee, and OEMs take another chunk

Auto companies have fewer third parties eating up the pie and so they can run at a lower margin % relative to retail

It's just a different business entirely and you can't really compare the two.

Direct to consumer is starting to shake up this space -- Canyon, Diamondback, et al

Will be fun to watch for us consumers, and not so fun for Mr. Nix

Thanks again for posting.

I won't be using them even if I get them in time (nothing new on race day), but I couldn't resist the deal. I ought to be able to sell my used Vectors for $400-500, which makes these a no-brainer upgrade, especially way easier with travel.

Cheers!

Margins for dealers on most technically "advanced" things are slim to zero.

I always thought the worst of the bunch was Garmin. Plus, they give stuff to Amazon first (for example, the 735), so users could get a 735 delivered to their door days before LBS/retail were able to buy them. Plus, the margins on Garmin products ordered through 3rd party distributors (in an emergency fill-in sale, for example) are laughably non existent.

I wonder if anybody has bothered calculating the difference in wind speed from being 3mm lower.