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Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread
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I just got my 2017 Trinity Advanced Pro1! It looks great, and I'm excited to ride it. Di2 will be a huge advantage during a race and even though I've heard of the front bottle ejecting, I think it will be faster having nutrition integrated on the bike. It's going to be a big upgrade for me.

The build process however has been less than ideal. I see multiple areas that are going to be really annoying for the life of the bike. Maybe some of you have already found workarounds and this can hopefully be the thread to share them. Here are the issues I'm aware of:

1) brakes: the rear brake specifically (as has been documented) does not adjust well. I did manage to get it centred using the primary centre bolt, and used the spring adjustment bolts to fine tune. However this was all done without the big plastic fairing. Once the fairing is installed, it appears to put pressure on the black adjustment/lever thing which causes major brake rub.

2) more brakes: the black adjustment/lever thing at the calipers does not go easily in and out of it's slot. This is going to be a major problem during a race if I have a flat. This seems to be a design problem. Does that slot work well for anyone?

3) Cable routing front end: why why why didn't Giant use the 5 port junction? Also, I'm positive there is going to be major brake housing and Di2 wire rub/wear due to the routing through the head tube. TBH I am dreading taking that front end apart in order to find some way to cover those cables/wires.

4) Has anyone travelled with this bike? Packing it up in a bike bag seems like it will be impossible. Which bike bag do you use? I have a Shimano Pro bike bag that worked great with all my previous bags but playing around with the front end of the Trinity seems like it should be avoided AT ALL COSTS!

5) Where have you hidden your flat kit?

6) Does anyone go from using race wheels outside to using trainer wheels quite regularly? I think it's going to be a nightmare switching from Carbon pads to regular pads and different rim widths.

To finish, this bike is awesome. Every bike has it's weird quirks. It's clear this bike is built purely for speed and aerodynamics, potentially at the loss of ease of use. I'm ok with that, but I'd love to hear how you all make it work!
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [JVanderveen] [ In reply to ]
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There are a few older threads that have covered similar topics. The bike was released about 18 months ago, so a quick search not too far back will get you lots of info.

To quickly address a couple points:
The front bottle - they just released a redesigned bottle and bento box. If your bottle simply slides in, it is the old style. It will fall out. The new bottle slides in, then there is a small (ping pong ball sized) cube that anchors it from the top and a piece that goes underneath that wraps around the front tire. This will not come out. If you've got the old style, get the new one from wherever you got the bike. Problem solved! Also, the new bento has slits and more volume than the old (worthless) flappy top. Get both and be happy!

Brakes - yup, hard to work with, but once I got them set, I have not had to mess with them. I can get away with this because: I rarely ride it outdoors (150 miles in the last year, mostly ride on the trainer and then roadie when on the road), my training wheels are the same width as my race wheels (Flo 30's vs. 60/disc), no need to swap pads (always Al brake tracks), brake track and tire widths are the same. The last one is big concerning your second point. I simply open the quick release skewer and the wheel slides out. This is a good thing aero wise, so consider a tire which does the same?

I don't know why they couldn't use a 5 port and longer wires. I'd guess it is to limit the number of Di2 wires going through that port in the headtube to the 3port. That port is a real design flaw. I'd strongly suggest putting heat shrink tubing on all wires going through that area or else they will rub and eventually break. I put some gorilla tape on the edges of the pass-through port to be double safe. (The builder did the heat shrink from the start.)

I have taken apart the front end several times and it is very easy. Three top bolts (maybe 5 mm) and 5 on the cover (3 mm?). It literally takes about 2 minutes to open up and less than 5 to put back on. There is a hidden silver/gold bolt the goes up into the "stem" to drop the base bar free. While certainly not as easy popping off 4 stem bolts and dropping the front end, it is indeed pretty dang fast.

Flat kit? Not yet. I've only done up to 40k, so I haven't bothered. For a HIM this summer, I'll use the single rear bottle and then tape a kit to the backside of that, under the seat. There is plenty of space. If you don't need the bento storage, a tube and co2 just might fit in the new one, but it'd be tight.

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It's clear this bike is built purely for speed and aerodynamics
I hope so, but lack of a good 3rd party side by side test leaves that unanswered. It simply never took off strong enough to make it into the various tests which always include the P5, Shiv, Felt ia, etc. I'm sure it's fine and not a huge aero liability, but who knows really? I sure like riding it and working around its quirks hasn't been any issue for me so far.

Post up a pic!
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [JVanderveen] [ In reply to ]
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I have a 2010 Advanced Trinity SL-1. IMHO, there is still nothing out there faster. However, the only time I've used taken it to a destination race is if Tri-Bike Transport took it there. Last year, I converted my Trinity to a 1 x 10 so it's even faster now; but it's pretty much my flat course bike for coastal Florida. I don't have Di2 on it, but I would say that there is NO advantage. I might shift the rear DR just a few times in a race...sort of like braking; I don't do that much either. If I am going to a hilly race or need to fly my race bike with me I take my BMC TM01.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [dfroelich] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the responses. I've read the other threads, just thought it would be helpful if there was one thread for the Trinity that we could all use in order to troubleshoot. Most of the other bike models have a similar thread.

I've got the new bottle and new bento so looks good on that front!

Unfortunately, for those of us who use aluminum training wheels and then switch to a wider carbon wheel, the brake adjustment issue remains. However, this isn't new to the Trinity, many other makes have the same crappy stock brakes. My Felt DA4 rear brake was borderline useless and the adjustment screws couldn't overcome the poor design.

For Di2 I was thinking a 5 port junction in the nose would be far more simple. Then you could send a single wire to the A-Junction in the bento.

I agree you can take the covers and base bar off relatively quickly, but I think it's not a good way to travel with the bike in a bike bag. You'd basically have to re-rout all your Di2 cables and maybe even brake cables in order to fit the bike in a regular bike bag. I think the best solution is a bike bag like the Scicon which allows the bars to remain on the bike. Of course, the bag is really expensive.

During 70.3 or longer, I'll probably stick to CO2 and tube under the saddle or in the bento if possible. With all the though into their nutrition storage, I would've thought Giant would think of a better flat storage solution.

I'd love to see some wind tunnel data on the Trinity. The bike feeling or looking fast doesn't mean much if it isn't.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [JVanderveen] [ In reply to ]
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JVanderveen wrote:

For Di2 I was thinking a 5 port junction in the nose would be far more simple. Then you could send a single wire to the A-Junction in the bento.

Indeed. Unfortunately, the B-junctions are only 4 port max! I guess Shimano did not anticipate TT bikes would have more stash space in front of a more rearward mounting spot for the A junction? Of course, you could put another 4 port B-junction under the stem. There might be room enough for that.

JVanderveen wrote:
I agree you can take the covers and base bar off relatively quickly, but I think it's not a good way to travel with the bike in a bike bag. You'd basically have to re-rout all your Di2 cables and maybe even brake cables in order to fit the bike in a regular bike bag. I think the best solution is a bike bag like the Scicon which allows the bars to remain on the bike. Of course, the bag is really expensive.

Yeah, standard stems make that a lot easier.With this bike, I would pop off the bars, unplug the Di2 wires at the B-junction that go towards the A-junction, then rotate the bars down and zip tie to the fork. There should be enough play in the brake cables to allow that. (Of course, there will be plenty of squishy stuff between those parts.)


JVanderveen wrote:
During 70.3 or longer, I'll probably stick to CO2 and tube under the saddle or in the bento if possible. With all the though into their nutrition storage, I would've thought Giant would think of a better flat storage solution.

Yeah, that'd be nice...but consider that when this bike was released, the only player with such a setup was the Trek with its draft box. I'd imagine that such an addon would have patent issues. The Giant came before the DB andean, p5x, new Dimond. Plus, these other three boxes have no UCI legal configurations. The Canyon managed to make a small storage cubby and remain UCI compliant, so no excuse for Giant.

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I'd love to see some wind tunnel data on the Trinity. The bike feeling or looking fast doesn't mean much if it isn't.

I went to the UW tunnel with mine. But, that was just a single bike test. I can tell you that the aero bottle in the triangle was a good thing (for me at least).
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [JVanderveen] [ In reply to ]
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Hello,

I am considering the Trinity advance pro 2 for my next bike. I was considering felt IA16 but I believe this setup is better value considering that the performance for a beginner is very similar.

I am just wondering about the rear brake if it will leave enough clearance to fit my 4iii powermeter (crank arm placement, similar to stages). Any comment about the clearance?



Thanks
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [Coy17a] [ In reply to ]
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How big is the pod? I could send a pic showing clearance tonight (Ultegra crank) if someone doesn't beat me to it with a a definitive yes/no.

Comparing the Felt to the Giant, tough choice. Those were my final two as well (since Canyon was not an option back then, but may be shortly for you?). I went with the Giant due to the integrated front end hydration and hoped that it would come out as an aero winner. The front bottle is definitely nice (especially with the new pieces), but jury is still out on the second.
If I was in the market today, I'd likely wait for the Speedmax or save up for the Scott. Those two have simply had better broad appeal and acceptance into the market. Giant still beats those on value, for sure!
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [Coy17a] [ In reply to ]
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I was previously on a Felt DA4 using Dura Ace cranks w/ a 4iiii Precision Power meter. With the Felt, the power meter needed to be placed carefully because the rear brake stuck out a bunch.

On my Trinity Adv. Pro 1 the rear brake is integrated in a much cleaner way (exact same brake as the Pro2). The brake fairings are flush with the chainstays. There is the adjustment bolt that sticks out a tiny bit, but all in all, I have tons of clearance for my 4iiii powermeter on the Giant. You could mount the power meter anywhere on the crank other than within an inch closest to the BB and have tons of room for it. I've been riding with my 4iiii power meter on the Pro1 for a month now.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [Coy17a] [ In reply to ]
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I just bought the Advanced Pro 1, I had a Dura Ace Di2 group not in use so I swapped out the Ultegra for that, added a Quarq and put on some nicer wheels. I must say so far it is the nicest, most comfortable and best fitting bike I've ever ridden and I've owned just about everything including the Felt IA FRD and a few Trek Speed Concept 9.8's over the years. Keep in mind though that the Felt geometry and the Trinity are very different. I rode a 54 in the Felt and found it had a very high stack and short reach for me. In the Trek i was a medium but just couldn't get the front end to work for me, in the Trinity I had to go with a small and i swapped the S-bends out for a set of Zipp racing bend bars. .

The cables on my bike came pre-wrapped with heat shrink tubing so someone is listening! I also added a second B junction box in the front so that only one e-wire is going through the head tube area and I double wrapped that one in heat shrink tubing. Yes the brakes are a bit of a pain but overall not too bad, I've dealt with worse!

Overall I am very happy with this bike so far!! Oh by the way not sure if the 4iii pod will fit but I don't think it'll be an issue, there seems to be plenty of clearance there.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [Coy17a] [ In reply to ]
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As to your other point, I agree that the Pro2 is actually significantly better value than the IA16. The IA16 has a 105 drivetrain and low end FSA cranks. That alone makes the Pro2 more desirable, with its Ultegra drivetrain and Ultegra crankset. I'd throw out that even the stock saddle on the Pro2 is a huge upgrade. The ISM PS1.0 is a legit $250-$300 saddle. It's rare to see manufacturers put a high end saddle like that on a stock bike, let alone on a bike around $3grand.

I've rode my Felt for years and I'm a big fan, but comparing those two options, the Giant seems the clear winner.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [sorelegs] [ In reply to ]
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That's good to know that an additional B-junction box can fit in the front end! I might end up doing that. The routing in the front end is my biggest concern with the bike. So you only have the rear brake going through the front end as well as the Di2 wire connecting junction boxes then?

Overall, I'm pumped with my Pro1. Over the last month I've been dialling in the fit and it's feeling great.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [JVanderveen] [ In reply to ]
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JVanderveen wrote:
So you only have the rear brake going through the front end as well as the Di2 wire connecting junction boxes then?

Correct, great idea too! It'd require an additional Etube cable (as short as possible) and the B junction box, correct?

The front brake cable does not disappear into the headtube, but goes straight down.

I wrapped my rear brake cable as well to hold off rubbing (gorilla tape), but whenever I re-cable, I'll put heatshrink on there instead.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [JVanderveen] [ In reply to ]
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Correct. I added the B junction and a very short e-wire to connect one box to the other so the only thing going through the head tube is one e-wire and the rear brake cable... but I'm less worried about the brake cable obviously but that one also came from Giant already wrapped in heat shrink tubing.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [dfroelich] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the info.

It seems I won't have a problem with the pod.

I would like to wait for the speedmax but it would mean do another season with my road bike.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [JVanderveen] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you. I have already installed the 4 iii in a Ultegra crank arm so hopefully won't be problem.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [sorelegs] [ In reply to ]
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sorelegs wrote:
Keep in mind though that the Felt geometry and the Trinity are very different. I rode a 54 in the Felt and found it had a very high stack and short reach for me. In the Trek i was a medium but just couldn't get the front end to work for me, in the Trinity I had to go with a small and i swapped the S-bends out for a set of Zipp racing bend bars. .

This is very interesting. I was fitted in a 54 felt IA. My bike shop does not have any in stock so it will have to be special order which means I won't be able to try the two different sizes.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [dfroelich] [ In reply to ]
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Just wondering, does anyone have the Advanced Pro 0 with eTap? I'm building one and trying to figure out where to put the blipbox!? The blipbox is quite a bit larger than the Di2 junction box so it does not fit very well into the bento box. If anyone has a picture showing showing where it's mounted, or how the wires from the blips and clics are routed that would be super helpful!
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [JVanderveen] [ In reply to ]
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Do you have the new (slit top) or old (flappy flap) bento? The new one is much roomier and I'm sure it would hold the blipbox. Even the cutout underneath is widened to allow easier install.

I have the 3port di2 junction and the d-fly stuck together in there and there is plenty of space. With the old bento, they had to be wriggled around to fit and still sat back far enough that they reduced usable storage volume.

Otherwise, you could mount it on top of the 'stem', in front of the bento. With the large bottle installed, it would be out of the wind.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [dfroelich] [ In reply to ]
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It's got the new slit top bento. The blipbox can fit inside, but it certainly is not a clean fit. The blipbox can't be mounted, it has to sit kind of sideways loosely. The bento box is designed for the Di2 junction box which fits perfectly into a little cubby in the bento box.

Another concern I have with eTap on the Trinity/Avow is that you now have the rear brake cable and FOUR other wires from the blips and clics that have to run from the bar through the head tube to the blipbox. It's a tight fit to say the least. At least with Di2 you only have a brake cable and a single wire.

I think wire length would prevent mounting the blipbox on top of the stem and I prefer it being hidden away in the bento box.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [JVanderveen] [ In reply to ]
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Hmmm, gotcha.
I've never held a blipbox, so I don't have a great feel for its size (apparently). Given that, it also clearly won't fit in the nose, bummer.

You could go a little crazy custom and put it in the front water bottle. Plastic weld a compartment inside and run the multiple wires there. Clearly, if you ever need to convert to a UCI legal setup, this would be tricky. If you know solidworks (or know someone who does), you could design and print a piece that sits near the nose and anchors to the bars to house it. This would be prettier than having it out in the air, which is the easiest route.

Whatever you do, please post it up here.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [JVanderveen] [ In reply to ]
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What does Giant do with it? Isn't one of the new 2017 bikes e-Tap? It'd be interesting to take a look at their setup.

Question for everyone: I found two velcro pieces in a little zip-lock back that came with my bike, One is small and rectangular and the other is round and about the size of a quarter, both sides of the velcro are there... anyone have an idea on what these are for? There's no mention of them in the dealer manual.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [sorelegs] [ In reply to ]
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I've talked with Giant reps and the eTap solution is as I've described, hide the blipbox in the bento loosely (or creatively find a way to secure it inside the blipbox). Fitting the 4 eTap wires through the headtube is the only way to go as well.

I have my own Trinity Adv. Pro 1 and the Avow I'm working on is for a customer at my bike shop. I was just wondering if anyone out here has come up with some other solution!

Every bike comes with a bunch of extras like those velcro pieces when it's shipped to the bike shop. I believe those velcro pieces are technically for securing a Di2 junction box, or a Blipbox, but I didn't use them either.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [JVanderveen] [ In reply to ]
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Where Can you get the new bento box with slit hoping to find online
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [Deadman] [ In reply to ]
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Deadman wrote:
Where Can you get the new bento box with slit hoping to find online
Contact the store you bought the bike. They will hook you up. If you got it direct, find a local Giant distributor and sweet talk them a bit. Have your serial number handy. IF they won't help you, ask for thier contact's info. It oughta be free, but I wouldn't be surprised if they charge you for the effort involved.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [Deadman] [ In reply to ]
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You'd likely have to buy the bento box from a Giant dealer as I think it's made specific for their bikes.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [dfroelich] [ In reply to ]
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Has anyone installed the D-Fly EW-WU111 unit on their Di2 equipped Trinity Advanced? It's the new inline wireless transmitter so I don't think mounting on the seat stay makes any sense. Shimano recommends not installing the unit inside the bike, but on the Trinity everything is internal so there aren't many other options.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [JVanderveen] [ In reply to ]
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I have the old version mounted in the bento box, rubber-banded to the A-junction. It works just fine, broadcasting to the computer mounted on my bars.
(On my roadie, a TCR, it's in the seattube and also works, but BT might not be as good transmitting through the frame as ANT+).

So, you have two easy spots to mount it: in the bento or in the front headtube cover. I bet either would work.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [JVanderveen] [ In reply to ]
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I have mine in one of the aero extensions, with some bar tape around it to avoid rattling. Mind you that I have the SW-R9160 extension shifters, which come without cables, so I have a 150mm cable between that and the wireless unit, so there's not a whole lot of cable I have to cram into the extension.

Felt IA Calpac mods on Shapeways:
800ml Specialized Fuelselage (XS/S)
1000ml Specialized Fuelselage (M/L/XL)
DIY cover
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [JVanderveen] [ In reply to ]
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I had the old one installed in the BB and it worked fine. I then bought the new one and installed it in place of the old one and it still works fine. My Garmin 820 head unit picks it up no problem every time.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [JVanderveen] [ In reply to ]
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Considering the two major upgrades to most bikes are storage and wheels...
Well, this bike has storage handled pretty well, with the new front bottle and bento.
Where do you stash a flat kit? I taped some stuff (tube, co2, inflator, lever) up under the saddle between the seat post and a rear hanging bottle. It fit all right, but would be a tough time getting anything back in there after a flat repair. I wish the down tube bottle was a little bigger. I may still cut off the top and put most of this stuff in there and maybe just the tube under the seat. Has anyone cut up this bottle yet?

What other upgrades have you done?

So far, I:

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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [dfroelich] [ In reply to ]
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Hello,

I just got mine I am super excited about it. I have a question from a first time tri bike owner: to change the extensions for the ski bend do you have to re do all the gear cable? do you use giant ski extension or are there other compatible options?

thanks,

Alejandro
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Coy17a wrote:
Hello,

I just got mine I am super excited about it. I have a question from a first time tri bike owner: to change the extensions for the ski bend do you have to re do all the gear cable? do you use giant ski extension or are there other compatible options?

thanks,

Alejandro

Hi Alejandro,
Unfortunately, yes. The Di2 TT shifters do not have quick release plugs, so you have to remove the two small allen screws near the switches, then the large lock screw going straight into the bar (this one may be reverse thread...there's an arrow), then take apart the front chin, under the 'stem' (5 allen screws) to reveal the B junction box. You may also need to drop the bar (one vertical silver screw, head to the ground) to get more wiggle room pulling those wires out the cutouts in the basebar.

It took me a few hours, learning as I went. I could probably redo it in 30 minutes. If they simply unplugged from the shifters, it would take 10 minutes.

If you have mechanical cables, same rules apply, but you have to run the cables all the way down to your derailleurs. That will add some significant time to the project, but it is a good skill to know.

While you have the chin off, reinforce those wires that go into the headtube cutout. If the wires are unplugged, put heatshrink around them. If not, tape them with strong (gorilla is my preference) tape. When you steer, they rub and eventually break. This is the biggest design flaw of the bike.

The extensions are standard - 22.2 mm. I got some 3T aluminum extensions. They were about $40. I didn't want carbon in case I wanted to flip them around or redrill the cable exit holes. I'll take a few grams for that piece of mind.

If you have any questions, ask away...and post a picture!
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dfroelich wrote:

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I haven't cut up the down tube bottle yet, but I can't think of any place to store a flat kit. For 70.3 I try to ride as minimal as possible which means I remove the downtube bottle and the seat mounted bottle. I'm just going with the front aero bottle as I can fit enough fluid in there that I need. The only downside is that I'd like to carry a bit of solid nutrition (a bar and a gel) as well as a flat kit. For now, I stashed the flat kit in the bento, but that leaves no room for anything else. Taping a gel and bar to the stem seems so lame. A tube with a 100mm stem is tough to store under the saddle...

Any other ideas?
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [JVanderveen] [ In reply to ]
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I was going to say that I use on my Trinity a behind-the-seat double cage mount for a flat kit, but since you're going minimal, that won't work for you.


JVanderveen wrote:
I haven't cut up the down tube bottle yet, but I can't think of any place to store a flat kit. For 70.3 I try to ride as minimal as possible which means I remove the downtube bottle and the seat mounted bottle. I'm just going with the front aero bottle as I can fit enough fluid in there that I need. The only downside is that I'd like to carry a bit of solid nutrition (a bar and a gel) as well as a flat kit. For now, I stashed the flat kit in the bento, but that leaves no room for anything else. Taping a gel and bar to the stem seems so lame. A tube with a 100mm stem is tough to store under the saddle...

Any other ideas?
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JVanderveen wrote:
I haven't cut up the down tube bottle yet, but I can't think of any place to store a flat kit.


I cut up the downtube bottle last night. I did a horizontal cut, right about where it starts tapering towards the mouth piece. You can stash 2 tubes, a lever, CO2, inflator (I have the shiny objects one...super small) without it bulging out too much. Since the walls of that bottle are quite thin, any packing in will cause a little deformation. I taped the top back on with some 1" gorilla tape and it looks good to go.

I stashed another CO2 in the tritone 'behind the saddle' bottle mount. There's alittle threaded hole. This way, I have 2 tubes (one set up for the disc (40mm stem) and one for the 60 front (80 mm)) and enough gas to inflate them both. I guess I could change the 80 mm stemmed tube to a 40+40 extension and jam a spare 40 mm extension with the lever. That way I could either flat the same tire twice or one of each before getting into trouble.

For Victoria, that'll give me the big front bottle for drinking and a bottle behind the saddle to fill it back up. Flat kit on the downtube. Gels in the bento.



(Tinypic was being troublesome. If the pics above don't load, I'll try again later.)

JVanderveen wrote:
I remove the downtube bottle


...and BTW, when I tested in the tunnel, I was faster with the downtube bottle than without it.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [dfroelich] [ In reply to ]
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Hey, I'll see you in Victoria! I'll be the other guy with a Trinity!

You've got a great setup there. Probably the best setup possible on this bike with the included storage. Using front bottle for liquid, bento for food, and downtube for flat kit is a smart way to go. If I wasn't so cheap I'd cut up the bottle right now and my problems would be solved!

Very interesting that wind tunnel showed you faster with the bottle.
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Have you seen a source to rebuy the downtube bottle?

I'm totally happy with how the cut up one turned out, but I may like a spare in case I change it up in the future. That's a great sized bottle for a diluted gel mix.

Yeah, see ya in Vic! These bikes are certainly more rare, but I'm sure there will be at least 5-10 of em out there.
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Re: Official Giant Trinity Advanced Owners Thread [dfroelich] [ In reply to ]
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Giant doesn't even list the bottle on their site as far as I can tell. I'm sure I could track one down by calling the Giant rep. But I found this sketchy option through the ol' google machine. I'm sure the bottle would be about $25-30 Cad which isn't as bad as I thought it'd be.

http://www.giantbikespares.com/...oduct_detail/3-43135
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Just got this bike last week and raced it at Eagleman. Love it.

I got the fluoro orange Ultegra Di2 model. I think it looks damn hot.

- First time I own a bike with Di2. Wow, it is sweet.
- For a superbike (and in general really), it is super simple to work on. I don't know what all the fuss is about that I've read various places. I can't imagine it being easier to adjust. The pad height, width, extension position, saddle etc, all really easy to modify.
- The integrated water bottle, also no issues. Very nicely designed.
- The bento box is nice, but made only for gels or bars. I use a First Endurance squeezie bottle, and it ejected early on in the race, as it doesn't fit well in there (kinda screwed up my race!). The problem with this bento box is that it has a base with sidewalls, which makes the actual usable space narrower. I will have to find an alternative to carrying that little bottle. But I can't knock the bike for this, as it was clearly designed for the 90% of use cases, which would be gels/bars.
- I flew with the bike back home. Packed it in my EVOC bag. Took about 45min being very careful since it was the first time I had ever taken it apart. Could probably do it in 30min or less next time. Still, I'd say it was not any more difficult than my old P2. It just has more bolts and some Di2 cables that need to be unplugged.
- Brakes feel really solid. Also simple enough to adjust. There is a kind of barrel adjuster built in, so it is possible to adjust the brakes without having to deal with the cable.
- Rear brake is a bit of a pain to get to, since it is mounted under the BB and has a cover. But this is true of all superbikes.
- Looks like the wheels that came with it are the same width as my race wheels, so luckily don't have to make changes. Changing pads is annoying on any bike, so can't knock this bike for that.
- Flat kit: I have always stuffed a tube, lever and C02 with inflator under the saddle.
- Overall, I am super impressed with this bike. Fit, finish, design is top notch. Just need to dial in my fit and position now. I'm really happy.

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What I don't like:
- The S-Bend extensions. My hands really want ski bend or similar. Other options should be available - Giant should at least give shops an inventory of a few options and give customers the choice for initial build.
- The arm pads/cups. I will be replacing these too. For one, the pads themselves are larger than the cups, and they are attached with tape, meaning after adjusting a couple of times, the stickiness will wear off. I want a velcro attachment system. And cups that hug my arms/elbows more.




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Looks awesome! Glad you like it. I have the same model and I love it so far.

I'm not sure how you think it's easy to work on though. I'm a bike mechanic and I've built a few of these now, and for my bike I plan to get the Scicon bag, which costs more than most, for the sole reason that I won't have to touch that front end!
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Just remove the bottle, unscrew all the bolts, remove the plates and the underside of the stem, flip bar over, done! Just as easy putting it back together.

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I'm no mechanic and I'm always afraid to start touching things like the drivetrain, but this was pretty simple. I know the initial build is probably a real pain, but after that, I'd say it's pretty easy to live with. If you organize the cable jumble in the front, it becomes less scary. I like how basic the front end really is: just a couple of plates that bolt on to cover the cables.

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Has anyone switched out the extensions and armpads/cups??

I really want ski-bend or similar, as well more supportive cups. Not sure what to get.
For extensions, I'm looking at Profile Design T4, Zipp Evo, 51 Speedshop (not yet available to public).

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I just switched to the profile design T1+ aluminum. They allowed me to get more reach and a higher hand position. Feels so much better. I just posted a video for fit advice under the thread titled "I think this is a good aero fit...tell me if I'm wrong!" if you want to get a idea of what they look like with the di2. I could also send you some more detailed pics if you'd like.
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Nice, looks good. The T1s look like a good option too.

I have a similar setup to you - Giro Selector, Small frame.

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I never used the stock extensions but put on Zipp Evo 70's and really like them. I might also try the 110's just to compare and also the Zipp Alimina pads and cups.

My pads are Velcro'd on though but just overall heavy and uncomfortable. I like oval shaped pads moreso than rectangular.
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Are you using the T1 cups and pads too?

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I only ordered the T1 extensions, so I am still using the stock cups/pads. I've gotten used to them, but admit they're not great. I'd be open to suggestions on new cups as well if anyone has tried different ones.
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It bothers me that the stock pads don't use a velcro attachment. Tape?! Better not make any adjustments.

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I switched out the bar altogether, with a Deda Elementi Kronos Due. So much more comfortable than the stock Giant bar.

Staer wrote:
Has anyone switched out the extensions and armpads/cups??

I really want ski-bend or similar, as well more supportive cups. Not sure what to get.
For extensions, I'm looking at Profile Design T4, Zipp Evo, 51 Speedshop (not yet available to public).
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Did that fit in the stem? I thought it could only fit the Giant one. But I guess if the dimensions are the same...?

Also, pics!

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CeeDotA wrote:
I switched out the bar altogether, with a Deda Elementi Kronos Due. So much more comfortable than the stock Giant bar.

Staer wrote:
Has anyone switched out the extensions and armpads/cups??

I really want ski-bend or similar, as well more supportive cups. Not sure what to get.
For extensions, I'm looking at Profile Design T4, Zipp Evo, 51 Speedshop (not yet available to public).

Post up a pic!
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What race wheels and tires would you put on this bike?

https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/trinity-advanced-pro-2-2016


Thanks,
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It can handle wide rims, so don't let that stop you.
The rear brake is a little tricky to access, so I'd suggest matching your training/racing rims (both width and pad material) so you don't have to mess with them every time you switch.

I put Flo 60/disc on mine. I'd also consider the Hed Jet+. Anything else tips the cost/performance balance out of my range. Tri spokes look cool.
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My training wheels are the stock wheels. Are you suggesting Carbon Alloy wheels?
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Unless you don't mind messing with the brakes every time, I'd recommend alloy wheels with the same time thickness.
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dfroelich wrote:
CeeDotA wrote:
I switched out the bar altogether, with a Deda Elementi Kronos Due. So much more comfortable than the stock Giant bar.

Staer wrote:
Has anyone switched out the extensions and armpads/cups??

I really want ski-bend or similar, as well more supportive cups. Not sure what to get.
For extensions, I'm looking at Profile Design T4, Zipp Evo, 51 Speedshop (not yet available to public).


Post up a pic!



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Going in for my bike fit on my new Trinity Advanced 2, finally. I have been out of the country.

My question is what upgrades I should throw down for immediately. I have about $1500 to spend on extras and they are giving me 10% on extras.
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Helmet, wheels, tires, tubes, gels?

Know what you need and shop around first. 10% isn't a huge discount and you could likely get that stuff even cheaper somewhere else.

Good luck on the fit!
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The best wheels seem to be consumer direct or used. I have a Giro Trinity helmet that will do the trick for now. I was thinking about going for the power meter as I have been training with virtual power on trainerroad. I feel like the Giant Trinity comes pretty well stocked already and am thinking about just getting that garmin power pedals to go with my watch and other garmin gear.
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If you're going to get a pedal based power meter, I'd go with either the Powertap P1's or wait for the Favero's Assioma. Both are easier to switch between bikes and don't need a torque wrench.

I have the Favero BePro's and they have been great although the installation process is too cumbersome for switching them between my road and tri bikes. Plus I find the accuracy isn't very good if I install them slightly clocked at all.
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Just got a Pro 2 and having put it together today I have a few questions:

- Plenty of talk about transport but the discussion so far has been limited to bike bags - anyone any experience with hard cases with this bike? The extensions are easy enough to disassemble but would like to understand if I will really need to take the front end completely apart every time I have to fly with it.
- Anyone cut the seat post? Post in as far as it will go but I still need another 1 cm down...



thanks
j
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If the post is all the way in, are you sure that it is the correct size?
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Sizing guide said 'M' based on height (177cm) but I felt like reach on the 'S' was right. LBS suggested that other customers had similar experiences in sizing down. BTW the sizing guide of 'S' does cover my height as well - I dont understand how anyone shorter than me could ride an 'S' with the seat post uncut.

ta
j
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Just bought this Trinity off eBay. Ultegra Di2. Swapped out the Ultegra rings for Rotor 53/39 Q rings and a sweet kmc gold chain. About to throw some speed play pedals on, supacaz bar tape and swap out the Down tube bottle back to the stock one. Any suggestions on new arm pads?


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TNTRI wrote:
Just bought this Trinity off eBay. Ultegra Di2. Swapped out the Ultegra rings for Rotor 53/39 Q rings and a sweet kmc gold chain. About to throw some speed play pedals on, supacaz bar tape and swap out the Down tube bottle back to the stock one. Any suggestions on new arm pads?


Looks great!!

I bought the CeeGee pads for the TriRig Alpha and stuck them on the stock Giant arm cups. Since they are both just large square/rectangle shape, it fit well. Although the CeeGee pads are larger and overlap the Giant arm cups.

Eventually, I purchased the cups and pads for the 3T Vola. I did have to dremmel out the holes on the arm cups to align with the Giant spacing, but I much prefer these arm rests. Great adjustability, fairly cheep, and have a very nice outside curve to keep the forearms/elbows locked in tightly.

Alex Arman

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Answering my own question re transport. Fits nicely in my canyon standard bike box - but yes the front end needs dissaembly. Now that I have done it a few times I realise it isnt too much effort - just more than my road bike ;-)

One other question (after a very hilly ride yesterday) - has anyone inverted the basebar? Or, rather: is it difficult/can it be done without having to redo the brake cabling? Not really sure how the bar end brake levers work....

thanks
j
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I am 178cm and went with the Small. Most of the measurements aligned with my fit and geometry of my previous bike, vs the M where only some of the critical points lined up. Still, I was finding myself in between sizes.

I went to my local Giant shop where they had a Medium, and just holding it before hopping on, I could feel it was way too much bike. Small was perfect.

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Staer,
  1. Did you need the seat post cut (or any spacers put in?) As far as I have read, the post needs the botttom of the seat tube for support.... (or you were the goldilocks case - just right?)
  2. What about the base bar height? Do you have it in the 'lower' or 'upper' position? If 'lower', any climbing experience while not in aero? (For anyone who might not know - from the manual: "By inverting the handlebar, you can choose either the low position or the high position. The height difference between the two is 40mm."
  3. How many spacers (40mm maximum) have you got on for the extensions?

Not trying to use your numbers - just interested in other's experiences on this bike.

rgds
j
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The seat post did not need to be cut. It is adjustable, so not sure why you would need to cut it?

I am using the low position of the bar. Have not tried to flip it.

I have one spacer under the extensions, the largest one (not sure how many mm that is). Extensions are also as far forward as possible. Pads can go inwards a bit still, which I may try out to get narrower. Pretty low position but still comfortable and powerful.

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I want to switch the extensions to ski bend too. Looks like the 2018 models come standard with a ski bend (Giant has been listening to it's customers) so I should be able to order a set through my shop.

I am having difficulty placing my Garmin though. My extensions are as narrow as possible and turned inwards making them even narrower, and this conflicts with the Zipp/Sram Garmin mount I have. Gets in the way of a relaxed hand position on the tips.

They need to make a stem mount and/or a mount that can be attached to the front water bottle. You would still be able to see it clearly in front of you, but it wouldn't get in the way of the bars.

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fatman wrote:

One other question (after a very hilly ride yesterday) - has anyone inverted the basebar? Or, rather: is it difficult/can it be done without having to redo the brake cabling? Not really sure how the bar end brake levers work....

thanks
j

You will have to recable the brakes. First, the brake cables would get twisted up as your flip the bar 180 degrees. Also, the right brake would now be on the left, so your brakes would be reversed.

I will say, the cabling of this bike takes a bit of patience.

Alex Arman

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If you are handy with 3D modeling, you design a custom mount and have it printed. Even if not, it is not too too hard.

The software to model is free (fusion 360 is free for a year for hobbyists) and printing it out would just cost you shipping...just send me the file!

I'd imagine the easiest would be zip tie mounting a crossbar that would nestle perfectly between your bars. You would then glue a garmin mount to that. A little fancier would include a garmin mount in the print. Fanciest would wrap around the bars and screw clamp.

Edit: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:292539 That is a pretty easy piece to modify to match whatever your bar spacing needs to be.
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I did change the extensions for the zipp vuka evo 110. However, I had do do all the gear cabling which was't fun but totally worth it in my opinion.

Here is a picture from last weekend, my first race with it where you can see the new extensions. Super comfortable and super fast (for my standards) ;)


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What size wrench is needed to adjust the saddle? For the nut that is directly underneath the saddle. Thanks
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Nice. Extensions look good. Still nice and aero but probably a lot more comfy as well.
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On my Trinity, it has that knob with holes in it, I've just been putting the long end of a 4mm Allen into it and rotating the knob left or right to adjust saddle position.
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JVanderveen wrote:
On my Trinity, it has that knob with holes in it, I've just been putting the long end of a 4mm Allen into it and rotating the knob left or right to adjust saddle position.

Same. It would be tricky to get a wrench in there. The saddle does not need crazy torque to stay locked in.
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Ok ill look mine over. Must have overlooked it. Based off a quick glance it seemed the nut underneath the seat was how you adjusted it. Thanks
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It is. But it has holes on the sides, so you can just slot an allen key in there and turn it.

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Any recommendations on what bike bag to use to transport a trinity? Ill be flying for the first time with mine
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Some on here are using a regular road travel bag, but I highly recommend the Scicon tri bags as they allow you to leave the front end as is during travel. The Trinity front end is not fun to take apart so I prefer this. Their 3.0 lineup is definitely pricey, but in Canada the 2.0 tri bag is on sale right now for a price that is less than many regular bags out there.
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What wheel set and tire are you using on your GTA?
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I'm running either a pair of Zipp 404's or a 404/super-9 combo depending on conditions. All with 25mm GP4000II tyres. There are probably faster tyres out there but I find them really durable and UK roads aren't the best.
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this thread doesnt have nearly enough photos.

not mine:



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Will the 2016 trinity advanced pro 2 accommodate a wheel larger than 25mm? Looking at the new releases from Zipp, it appears they are looking to move to 28mm.
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LifeTri wrote:
Will the 2016 trinity advanced pro 2 accommodate a wheel larger than 25mm? Looking at the new releases from Zipp, it appears they are looking to move to 28mm.

I would guess: yes.
The front fork is crazy wide and the rear stays have quite a bit of clearance as well. The only issue may be the brakes not opening far enough, but you can find slim brakes to allow extra room.
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Thanks! I will confirm with the local shop.
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Thought this would be a good place for my first post. I just started doing Tri's this year and after 4 sprints on a entry level road bike I thought it was time for an entry level tri bike. I've done one sprint on it and plan on one more before the end of the year. So far I love it! I plan on upgrading the wheels sometime next year.


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Your bike looks great. It's definitely a good place to start. Still has a solid 105 11s drivetrain and a good looking frame and paint job. For an entry level bike this is a great option, especially considering the pricepoint. I think the whole non-integrated headset will actually be good for you as it's a very user friendly bike. Have fun!
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