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Omloop is up first. And apparently it will be sunny for the Omloop for a change.

I got: Kristoff, GvA, and Terpstra, in that order.

Spring Prediction Spreadsheet here: https://docs.google.com/...3RW2XLLB4/edit#gid=0
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And here I was hoping that you already had a spoiler for us :)
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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1) Sep Vanmarcke
2) Niki Terpstra
3) Stijn Vandenbergh


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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Cobble] [ In reply to ]
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Niki and everybody else :D

The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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1.Kristoff
2.Vanmarcke
3. GvA
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [snaaijert] [ In reply to ]
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snaaijert wrote:
And here I was hoping that you already had a spoiler for us :)

if you can develop a time machine, i'd gladly bring you the spoiler :)



Cobble wrote:
1) Sep Vanmarcke
2) Niki Terpstra
3) Stijn Vandenbergh

don't think anyone is surprised about that pick ;)
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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wiggo and niki go away alone. terpstra takes it. kristoff best of rest.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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echappist wrote:
snaaijert wrote:
And here I was hoping that you already had a spoiler for us :)

if you can develop a time machine, i'd gladly bring you the spoiler :)



Cobble wrote:
1) Sep Vanmarcke
2) Niki Terpstra
3) Stijn Vandenbergh

don't think anyone is surprised about that pick ;)
Haha, you can't blame me, right? Should be an exciting classics season, I think there are lots of contenders for this weekend but also E3, Gent - Wevelgem, Flanders and Roubaix. We can only hope there's some great man to man type of racing, nobody gets into a bad crash, and the best guys take the win.


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Cobble wrote:
echappist wrote:
snaaijert wrote:
And here I was hoping that you already had a spoiler for us :)


if you can develop a time machine, i'd gladly bring you the spoiler :)



Cobble wrote:
1) Sep Vanmarcke
2) Niki Terpstra
3) Stijn Vandenbergh


don't think anyone is surprised about that pick ;)
Haha, you can't blame me, right? Should be an exciting classics season, I think there are lots of contenders for this weekend but also E3, Gent - Wevelgem, Flanders and Roubaix. We can only hope there's some great man to man type of racing, nobody gets into a bad crash, and the best guys take the win.

That sounds like Fabian right there ha! (Flanders and Roubaix)

The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev
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echappist wrote:
Omloop is up first. And apparently it will be sunny for the Omloop for a change.

I got: Kristoff, GvA, and Terpstra, in that order.

Ahem - I thought that we established the proper protocol for picks last year - Cadillac, Steak Knives, Fired!

I'll go with:
Cadillac - GvA
Steak Knives - Sep
Fired - Tomke
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LuisDF wrote:

That sounds like Fabian right there ha! (Flanders and Roubaix)
Definitely a high possibility there. No doubt he'll be ready.


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Niki has the team and he proved in Oman that he is shape!

should be a great year of racing for sure!

The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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what's the best choice for watching it in the states? Steephill has these links.
http://www.steephill.tv/...het-nieuwsblad/#live

does anyone have any experience with these? and bullett proof suggestion?
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [dsmallwood] [ In reply to ]
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Twotter wrote:
echappist wrote:
Omloop is up first. And apparently it will be sunny for the Omloop for a change.

I got: Kristoff, GvA, and Terpstra, in that order.


Ahem - I thought that we established the proper protocol for picks last year - Cadillac, Steak Knives, Fired!

I'll go with:
Cadillac - GvA
Steak Knives - Sep
Fired - Tomke
opps. my bad. Didn't know we have a man from Downtown Office of Mitch & Murray. I like your picks, and i really hope GvA will win, but i just don't think the course is selective enough to wear down a rampaging Kristoff... We shall see!



dsmallwood wrote:
what's the best choice for watching it in the states? Steephill has these links.
http://www.steephill.tv/...het-nieuwsblad/#live

does anyone have any experience with these? and bullett proof suggestion?
Tunnel Bear provides VPN servers in de Nederlands, which allows you to watch NOS. I think i was able to watch Sporza when i used a Dutch IP address last year; can't quite recall.

Real shame that Eurosport doesn't cover this race...

Also as a PSA. An added benefit of VPN is that you get to watch a lot of programming that you otherwise wouldn't be able to watch. I was interested in the UCI Track Worlds, and BBC carried the broadcast. Netflix co-produced Better Call Saul, and it is available on the British netflix site with a British IP address; the show won't be available on the U.S. Netflix site until May.
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GvA is going undefeated this spring ;)


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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Sporza > NOS for all things cycling, also Sporza will show more races and the duration of the broadcast spent to cycling will be longer. I think for de Ronde van Vlaanderen they start at 10am :) On Dutch cable we also get the Belgian channels but I'm fairly sure that when it comes to IP restrictions it's the same as from any other country, meaning you'd need a VPN even if you found a Dutch IP to watch Sporza. Links that are posted here: http://www.procyclinglive.com/livestream/ usually work for me though, quality is not always the greatest but beggars can't be choosers.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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I was hoping last year's protocol was done and buried...

Pretty tough to bet against Kristoff the way he's going.
1) him
2) Boonen
3) Fenn

Also, Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne is Sunday.
1) Cav
2) Greipel
3) Viviani

I'm most curious to see how GvA, Sagan, Wiggo and Zabel go this classics season.
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I watched most of the races through cyclingfans last year. What does tunnel bear and NOS provide over that? Better resolution?
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If cyclingfan is free, then yeah, Tunnel Bear + whatever else gives you much better resolution.


Tunnel Bear (or other VPN such as Hola for Chrome) allows me access to British Eurosport. Het Nieuwsblad is one of the few major races (other i could think of is the Brabantse Pijl) that Eurosport doesn't cover. Otherwise TunnelBear + Eurosport = access to almost all the cycling races of the year.

VPN to England = access to the BBC, which covered the Track Worlds, and it was high resolution (see screenshots here, the resolution are actually a bit worse). BBC also covered UCI Road Worlds live the past two years. As for the noncycling programming, I've been able to watch shows on Netflix not available in the U.S., BBC's coverage of the world cup, and shows on BBC iPlayer. So yeah, VPN has a lot more utility to me than just bike races, though I did first start using it to get Eurosport
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Do you watch Eurosport straight from web browser with TunnelBear?
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [LuisDF] [ In reply to ]
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terpstra is in good form, im still suprised he TT as quick as he did, i didnt know he could throw down like that
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Yessir. Though sometimes the streaming speed isn't that high and things become choppy. It never gets as bad as it does on the pirate feeds though. I pay for Eurosport mostly to ease my own conscience when i download the torrents from cyclingtorrents.nl
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terpstra is in good form, im still suprised he TT as quick as he did, i didnt know he could throw down like that
I believe he allso won one of the 6 day track races with Iljo Keisse this winter. So definitely in good form.


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I was hoping last year's protocol was done and buried...


I'm most curious to see how GvA, Sagan, Wiggo and Zabel go this classics season.

Sagan will "disappoint" again and I am still not sold on Wiggo.

The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev
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It doesn't look as though Tinkoff-Saxo are going to be at Omloop Het Nieuwsblad or Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne, they're not on the Cycling News start lists or the Race Schedule on their website. That's a shame because I was looking forward to seeing Sagan back in his element, but I guess they're keeping their powder dry for the bigger races leading up to the monuments.

I'm not sure about Wiggo either, but 9th in Paris-Roubaix last year is nothing to sniff at. Similarly for Geraint Thomas, he's been up there in the classics for the last couple of years, I'd love to see him get a big win this season, although I'm not sure where it might come from, I think he might be more suited to the Ardennes classics.
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Omloop Het Nieuwsblad
1. GVA
2. Sep Vanmarcke
3. Terpstra, or Boonen

Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne- this is live on Universal Sports
1. Sep VanMarcke
2. Boonen
3. Kristoff
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LuisDF wrote:
Carl Spackler wrote:
I was hoping last year's protocol was done and buried...


I'm most curious to see how GvA, Sagan, Wiggo and Zabel go this classics season.


Sagan will "disappoint" again and I am still not sold on Wiggo.

First off...why is this thread so far down the list? This keeps me going at work :)

Luis - I'm kind of afraid that you're right, actually. He seems to be able to mix it up right at the top in almost everything he enters...but not necessarily get atop of the podium. Perhaps a change in strategy is in order and that's why they're skipping this weekend? When you say "disappoint" - are you giving him a backhand compliment meaning that finishing top 10 in all the classics he enters is disappointing for him but otherwise a solid result?
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LuisDF wrote:
Carl Spackler wrote:
I was hoping last year's protocol was done and buried...


I'm most curious to see how GvA, Sagan, Wiggo and Zabel go this classics season.


Sagan will "disappoint" again and I am still not sold on Wiggo.

Something about Sagan doesn't grab me either, butt you have to hand it to him for always trying



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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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Was that picture really necessary to prove your point?
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How do you subscribe/pay to Eurosport?
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kollac wrote:
LuisDF wrote:
Carl Spackler wrote:
I was hoping last year's protocol was done and buried...


I'm most curious to see how GvA, Sagan, Wiggo and Zabel go this classics season.


Sagan will "disappoint" again and I am still not sold on Wiggo.


First off...why is this thread so far down the list? This keeps me going at work :)

Luis - I'm kind of afraid that you're right, actually. He seems to be able to mix it up right at the top in almost everything he enters...but not necessarily get atop of the podium. Perhaps a change in strategy is in order and that's why they're skipping this weekend? When you say "disappoint" - are you giving him a backhand compliment meaning that finishing top 10 in all the classics he enters is disappointing for him but otherwise a solid result?

yeah kind of a backhand compliment; I still think he will be top 5-10 but I don't see winning the race just yet. I think he is still young and figuring things out.

The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev
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RandMart wrote:
LuisDF wrote:
Carl Spackler wrote:
I was hoping last year's protocol was done and buried...


I'm most curious to see how GvA, Sagan, Wiggo and Zabel go this classics season.


Sagan will "disappoint" again and I am still not sold on Wiggo.


Something about Sagan doesn't grab me either, butt you have to hand it to him for always trying



i love this picture. its necessary for many reasons.
that fact that we still have podium girls seems so archiac in our modern, pc world. i really am surprised.
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ChrisC42780 wrote:
How do you subscribe/pay to Eurosport?

Using a VPN, go to http://www.eurosportplayer.co.uk/

They accept Paypal or other credit cards. I use Capital 1 Mastercard as it doesn't have a foreign service fee. Eurosport couldn't care less where the billing address is. Using paypal should smooth over any issues regarding your card company suspecting fraudulent transaction.
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Top 10 Riders To Watch: Omloop Het Nieuwsblad & Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne

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Have some posts been deleted in this topic? Seems strange! Anything wrong with the mention that it could be watched via cycling.tv (a legal, pay per view, cycling broadcasting channel)? I understand maybe the 'illegal' streams are not allowed for some reason but I don't see why it is OK to mention a legal TV channel and not a legal PPV online channel.


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echappist wrote:
ChrisC42780 wrote:
How do you subscribe/pay to Eurosport?


Using a VPN, go to http://www.eurosportplayer.co.uk/

They accept Paypal or other credit cards. I use Capital 1 Mastercard as it doesn't have a foreign service fee. Eurosport couldn't care less where the billing address is. Using paypal should smooth over any issues regarding your card company suspecting fraudulent transaction.

Thanks! I was able to access through the chrome add-on Hola, did not realize you can pay with paypal/credit cards

Cobble wrote:
Have some posts been deleted in this topic? Seems strange! Anything wrong with the mention that it could be watched via cycling.tv (a legal, pay per view, cycling broadcasting channel)? I understand maybe the 'illegal' streams are not allowed for some reason but I don't see why it is OK to mention a legal TV channel and not a legal PPV online channel.
Velonews posted the list of all races on US television: http://velonews.competitor.com/...ling-u-s-year_361749

I love Verizon Fios, because I have all 3 channels: NBC Sports/BEIN Sports/Universal Sports. We are looking to move to Connecticut soon, so I may lose BEIN Sports/Universal Sports. I hope one of the CT cable companies start carrying these channels
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Cobble wrote:
Have some posts been deleted in this topic? Seems strange! Anything wrong with the mention that it could be watched via cycling.tv (a legal, pay per view, cycling broadcasting channel)? I understand maybe the 'illegal' streams are not allowed for some reason but I don't see why it is OK to mention a legal TV channel and not a legal PPV online channel.

I think what got deleted was the provocative advertisement for E3 Harelbeke... I could be wrong but that one's kind of hard to forget :D. OK, all grown up now. Regarding streaming the races - I don't necessarily see anything wrong with it. It's not like you're hurting anyone if there are no legal alternatives. Charter in NY is not going to pick up European cycling anytime soon (except TdF on NBCSports). Eurosport or Sporza should be happy that their advertisers reach a wider audience:).
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I'm going with Damien Gaudin, a massive steam engine of a man who rides like a gorilla. That is, if a gorilla rode the one day classics. But alas, they don't as Astana is not racing.

So I'm going with Boonen, in honor of Leonard Nimoy who, as Mr. Spock, had the same ears as Tom.

Micheal Schar makes some noise riding for GvA.

Standard too. Sir Brad works for him tomorrow.

Dunno where I come up w this crap....
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McNulty wrote:
I'm going with Damien Gaudin, a massive steam engine of a man who rides like a gorilla. That is, if a gorilla rode the one day classics. But alas, they don't as Astana is not racing.

So I'm going with Boonen, in honor of Leonard Nimoy who, as Mr. Spock, had the same ears as Tom.

Micheal Schar makes some noise riding for GvA.

Standard too. Sir Brad works for him tomorrow.

Dunno where I come up w this crap....

ah-uhm, Herr Greipel would like a word with you

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Duly noted. He's a beast.

I just went the Tunnel Bear route. Thanks for the guidance.

Next 2 days I'm riding the Virginia Winter Sucks Indoor Classic Double on the trainer and rollers, watching Omloop and KBK, going for a 2 day kj indoor record.
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Duly noted. He's a beast.

I just went the Tunnel Bear route. Thanks for the guidance.

Next 2 days I'm riding the Virginia Winter Sucks Indoor Classic Double on the trainer and rollers, watching Omloop and KBK, going for a 2 day kj indoor record.

how are you recovery from the injury last year?

also, you may get lucky on Sunday and ride outside.
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echappist wrote:
McNulty wrote:
Duly noted. He's a beast.

I just went the Tunnel Bear route. Thanks for the guidance.

Next 2 days I'm riding the Virginia Winter Sucks Indoor Classic Double on the trainer and rollers, watching Omloop and KBK, going for a 2 day kj indoor record.

how are you recovery from the injury last year?

also, you may get lucky on Sunday and ride outside.

Shoulder is great, thanks. Fell hard on it in the mud the other day and oddly, it really helped my confidence. Might do a training crit Sunday if weather looks dry. Far from race weight, though.
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Sky on the front now, with Wiggins working hard driving the peleton to chase down the break.


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anyone want to give me a live update? i'm unable to login from my US ip.
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 7 - 8 rider break has been away for a while. Sky and BMC chasing hard to bring the gap down - pace in Peleton VERY high. It's about a minute now. 60k to go. Although as I write this Boonen just put in a huge dig over a small cobbled climb to really split up the main group.

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7 - 8 rider break has been away for a while. Sky and BMC chasing hard to bring the gap down - pace in Peleton VERY high. It's about a minute now. 60k to go. Although as I write this Boonen just put in a huge dig over a small cobbled climb to really split up the main group.

BIG news for Jack Mott followers/fans - The MTN Qhubeka team are riding the new Cervelo S5 on the cobbles! :)



hubba-wahhhhhhhh??!!??!!!????? that's unpossible!!!!

i wonder what kinda forks. hmmmmm




thanks Steve
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This could be the race. If the peloton shatters the break should have a great chance to stay away.
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Yes 3 strong Etixx riders including Boonen, and Stannard(Sky) have about 30 sec - rest of the field trying to figure out who's going to chase. Stannard can sit in for now - although will get some grief for that if the gaps starts to go down! :)

Always a fascinating chess game!


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No chance GvA and Vanmarke will make it across. They're actually making it easier for break to stay away, not much peloton left to get organized.
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Stybar just sitting on the back there, holding it up!

Have Etixx played this perfectly for Boonen?


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Chase group is making it way more interesting than I thought. Stybar could almost go over the top and bridge solo!
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Stannard is also at an advantage here having to do no work. Might not win, but a real chance at the podium!

Boonen doing more work than you would think.

Agreed on Stybar, but he's being the dutiful teammate! :)


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Surprised he's not contributing to stay clear at least guarantee a podium. I bet Etixx would take that deal, but not if he sits on all the way. He'll almost certainly get on if break stays clear but as soon as Etixx starts attacking the rest of front group will slow.
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I'm sure there have been some, "discussions"! :)

You never know. Despite Etixx having strength in numbers and strategic advantage, it's going to come down to who has the freshest legs over the last 500 - 1000m.


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Stybar again shows his classics chops. Bet he lights these guys up for 5th.
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Holy cow...
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Holy cow...

How does Ian Stannard sit down with balls that big?
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that was awesome, after his horrible year with all the injuries good for Stannard!
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Feed froze in the last 500m...what happened?

Stannard made a nice move to break up the ETixx train.

*edit - holy schitt. 3 out of 4 guys in the break and ETixx loses the race? Fook me....

Huge props to Stannard.

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Terpstra shat the bed and made a weak early sprint and Stannard easily slid past, Boonen never got closer than 10-15m back.

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Looked to me like Etixx kept chasing each other down, which opened the door for Stannard? I can't be 100% sure, my feed kept cutting out. But at one point, it looked like Terpstra was about to get away, or at the very least force Stannard to drag Boonen back up for the sprint...but Boonen chased Terpstra down instead?

Either way, chapeau to Stannard for out-dueling the Etixx machine. Weird tactics, lots of questions in the Etixx camp tonight to have 3 in a 4 man break and not get the win...
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Wow indeed!

Well done Ian Stannard!

Boonen comes across the line in 3rd, shaking his head, wondering how with the numbers, and the strategy all going their way, Etixx QS still did not get the win!

That's road racing! :)


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holy schitt. 3 out of 4 guys in the break and ETixx loses the race? Fook me..

. . and Stybar sitting on the other two big threats, VanMarcke and GVA chasing - never taking a pull and just sitting in the whole time in the chase.

Etixx QS, could not have played this better from a straight up strategical stand-point and still did not get the win.

IF there was an error in my view it was Boonen, trying to go for it solo from 4K out - but Stannard was/is World Class in the 4k pursuit on the track, and was able to just motor back up to Boonen, dragging Terpstra and the other Etixx QS rider with him!


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Stannard played it absolutely perfectly.

I think Etixx had no choice but to lose it like this, thanks to Vanmarke's and Van Avermaet's furious chase. If they didn't have the (very real) threat of those two latching on, I'd say E-QS would've started attacking Stannard much earlier - but as it was they had to TTT their way to the finish, with Stannard enjoying the ride.

Ian owes Sep a good pint for making Boonen work so hard ;)

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I was surprised with how much work, the two key Etixx-QS men Terpstra and Boonen were doing on the front. Yes, I understand, that VanMarke and GVA were chasing hard - but Stybar was back there to keep things in check with them and with 10K to go I think that gap was up to a minute, so the threat had almost gone - but it was still full gas at the front for the 3 Etixx-QS men and Stannard along for the ride.

There may have been some "discussions" and even perhaps Stannard getting some grief for not contributing, but that's the way it goes!

Kudos also to the rest of Team Sky who including Wiggo, for keeping the pace high in the middle of the race and eventually reeling in the main break.


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Great ride from Stannard. Big error by TB thinking he was still 27. A prideful error. He cooked himself going from so far out and not getting away. He could have jabbed, and then sat up but he went all in. You could see it happening, painfully.

Or, he could have just continued to sit on and win the sprint.
He must be super disappointed. But, awesome ride by Sky guy.
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I doubt there was any grief for Stannard for sitting on. Etixx knows the drill. Sitting on was his only option.

Had the Stybar group caught on, yes Etixx would have gained one, but also had two other wild cards to account for. Smart strategy was to keep riding like they did. Where they seemed to make the mistake(s) was starting to attack the group 3+KM out. Nothing to be gained form that. Ride to the finish, set Boonen up and lead him out while keep Stannard in check.

And Stannard definitely seemed to be on the ropes around 4K to go when Etixx countered one of their earlier attacks. Two Etixx guys up the road and Stannard was slow to close the gap. Keep the pace high from that point on and let Boonen finish it off.

Armchair quarterbacking is so simple. Wink

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Yeah, that seemed like where their tactics went oddball. Let Boonen, the fastest finisher, mark Stannard and the other guys attack to soften him up. Also can't understand why Terpstra led it out-- maybe to slow down and try to let Boonen back on. But he could have sat on and at least had a better shot at sprint.

Always easy to Monday morning QB it but one thing's for sure: helluva race by Stannard. He played it perfectly.
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Too much bad luck for Sep today but i am happy to see how strong he was. And Stannard, I am normally not a fan of a win after sitting on people's wheels but this was different, Etixx made some really poor decisions and Stannard was strong and very gutsy. Great win, i think he diserved it!

Boonen was good, but not good enough. His attack was selfish and not powerful enough. When Terpstra went and. Vandenbergh went with him is when Etixx lost the race.


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Stybar again shows his classics chops. Bet he lights these guys up for 5th.
Didn't try to take 5th, but showed some sportsmanship by going in the front and picking up the speed to let Sep and Greg VA sprint. Small gesture but I am sure they appreciate that.


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When Boonen dropped onto Stannard's wheel and started recovering, eating a gel, that race was over.

And then he tried to pass rather than run the ball.
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When Boonen dropped onto Stannard's wheel and started recovering, eating a gel, that race was over.

And then he tried to pass rather than run the ball.
Yeah that close to the finish, if you're eating a gel you do it because you're about to bonk.


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Too much bad luck for Sep today but i am happy to see how strong he was. And Stannard, I am normally not a fan of a win after sitting on people's wheels but this was different, Etixx made some really poor decisions and Stannard was strong and very gutsy. Great win, i think he diserved it!

Boonen was good, but not good enough. His attack was selfish and not powerful enough. When Terpstra went and. Vandenbergh went with him is when Etixx lost the race.

Agreed! I don't it was a bad strategy with Etixx attacking when Boonen did and Terpstra made the right move by attacking again. Vandenbergh is the one that screwed it up! Absolutely no reason to chase down or try to latch on to your teammate! They should have made Stannard chase all the way. Terpstra probably would have stayed away and if not Boonen and Vanderbergh would have been latched to Stannard leaving Boonen the opportunity to sprint. My thought is, Vandenbergh was tired of being the one that seems to be in the right position of late, but always working for Boonen or Terpstra and ends up the odd man out. It's not easy to be that close and always seem to hand it off to a teammate, but definitely no need to try and hang with Terpstra in that circumstance! Congrats to Stannard it couldn't have played into his hand any better, Etixx gave that race away

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Cobble wrote:
Too much bad luck for Sep today but i am happy to see how strong he was. And Stannard, I am normally not a fan of a win after sitting on people's wheels but this was different, Etixx made some really poor decisions and Stannard was strong and very gutsy. Great win, i think he diserved it!

Boonen was good, but not good enough. His attack was selfish and not powerful enough. When Terpstra went and. Vandenbergh went with him is when Etixx lost the race.


Agreed! I don't it was a bad strategy with Etixx attacking when Boonen did and Terpstra made the right move by attacking again. Vandenbergh is the one that screwed it up! Absolutely no reason to chase down or try to latch on to your teammate! They should have made Stannard chase all the way. Terpstra probably would have stayed away and if not Boonen and Vanderbergh would have been latched to Stannard leaving Boonen the opportunity to sprint. My thought is, Vandenbergh was tired of being the one that seems to be in the right position of late, but always working for Boonen or Terpstra and ends up the odd man out. It's not easy to be that close and always seem to hand it off to a teammate, but definitely no need to try and hang with Terpstra in that circumstance! Congrats to Stannard it couldn't have played into his hand any better, Etixx gave that race away

Tom went first but had no legs to drop Ven then Nikki went and the other Etixx dude "kinda" chase?!?!?! wtf he was thinking pfffffffffffff

3 against 1... C'MON!

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The other thing that was dumb was that Terpstra went to the front to start the spring with Stannard on his wheel. He should have stayed on Stannard's wheel and could have used the excuse that Boonen was their leader. In any case, the 3 Etixx riders all somehow rode for themselves and that's ultimately what cost them.


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And Stannard, I am normally not a fan of a win after sitting on people's wheels but this was different, Etixx made some really poor decisions and Stannard was strong and very gutsy. Great win, i think he diserved it!

Both he and Etixx knew the code. None of them expected him to work, just like Sep didn't ask Stybar to take a pull...

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Cobble wrote:
And Stannard, I am normally not a fan of a win after sitting on people's wheels but this was different, Etixx made some really poor decisions and Stannard was strong and very gutsy. Great win, i think he diserved it!

Both he and Etixx knew the code. None of them expected him to work, just like Sep didn't ask Stybar to take a pull...
Patrick Lefevre on the other hand was furious and said Stannard should have done some work as well, because he was the team leader for Sky. A team leader isn't supposed to just sit on the wheel for 40km and if it would have been 3 Sky riders with Boonen as the 4th Boonen wouldn't just sit on the wheel either, per Lefevre.


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tessartype wrote:
Cobble wrote:
And Stannard, I am normally not a fan of a win after sitting on people's wheels but this was different, Etixx made some really poor decisions and Stannard was strong and very gutsy. Great win, i think he diserved it!

Both he and Etixx knew the code. None of them expected him to work, just like Sep didn't ask Stybar to take a pull...
Patrick Lefevre on the other hand was furious and said Stannard should have done some work as well, because he was the team leader for Sky. A team leader isn't supposed to just sit on the wheel for 40km and if it would have been 3 Sky riders with Boonen as the 4th Boonen wouldn't just sit on the wheel either, per Lefevre.

There is no "supposed to" other than win the race. Etixx never looked to Sky to help.

He wasn't furious, he was cranky cuz his boys blew it. Stannard raced a great race which included sitting on so the 3 teammates couldn't drop him. Which, because they too were racing, they eventually tried to do. If the chase group catches them, he's arguably in no worse a position, whereas Etixx would then have to deal with GvA, Sep and, possibly, Gilbert.

It all went according to plan until Boonen didn't get away. Really crazy that he didn't wait for the sprint.
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There is no "supposed to" other than win the race. Etixx never looked to Sky to help.

He wasn't furious, he was cranky cuz his boys blew it. Stannard raced a great race which included sitting on so the 3 teammates couldn't drop him. Which, because they too were racing, they eventually tried to do. If the chase group catches them, he's arguably in no worse a position, whereas Etixx would then have to deal with GvA, Sep and, possibly, Gilbert.

It all went according to plan until Boonen didn't get away. Really crazy that he didn't wait for the sprint.
Well last time Boonen sprinted for the win at Omloop he lost to Sep so maybe he wanted to play it safe(r) this time by attacking. But in hindsight he should have gone for the sprint instead this time.


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There is no "supposed to" other than win the race. Etixx never looked to Sky to help.

He wasn't furious, he was cranky cuz his boys blew it. Stannard raced a great race which included sitting on so the 3 teammates couldn't drop him. Which, because they too were racing, they eventually tried to do. If the chase group catches them, he's arguably in no worse a position, whereas Etixx would then have to deal with GvA, Sep and, possibly, Gilbert.

It all went according to plan until Boonen didn't get away. Really crazy that he didn't wait for the sprint.
Well last time Boonen sprinted for the win at Omloop he lost to Sep so maybe he wanted to play it safe(r) this time by attacking. But in hindsight he should have gone for the sprint instead this time.

Anyone remember the stage of 2013 Tour where the echelon was formed? Opqs had maybe 3 riders (Cav, Chavanel, cant remember who else), and Sagan was also in the group. They cooperated until the last K and sent Chavanel attacking then. Sagan was forced to chase the move and essentially finds himself on the front with 300m to go.

So the mmqb in me feels like the right time to attack would have been a lot closer to the line, as stannard can't close the gap at a more steady pace as they were running out of space
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And why that potentially works is if Boonen gets caught with 400m to go he leads it out and puts Stannard in wind at 250, which should set Terpstra nicely.
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Perhaps that's what they would have thought of had they had a race radio? Instead the troops themselves had to improvise?

No one knows... Also reminds me of last year's E3 when it was Terpstra, VdB, Thomas, and Sagan in the final group. Both are Interesting cases for tactics.

Though all this assumes that Stannard wouldnt have attacked on his own and shed one or two opqs riders. The way Vanmarcke won in 2012, when he was in a small group of 2 sky riders and 3 (could be 2) opqs riders was to attack so that only Flecha and Boonen followed. So who knows...
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Gilbert went a K too early.
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Only got 2 out of 3 right.

Yesterday's forgotten at the Etixx camp.

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I was hoping last year's protocol was done and buried...

Also, Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne is Sunday.
1) Cav
2) Greipel
3) Viviani
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Patrick Lefevre on the other hand was furious and said Stannard should have done some work as well, because he was the team leader for Sky. A team leader isn't supposed to just sit on the wheel for 40km and if it would have been 3 Sky riders with Boonen as the 4th Boonen wouldn't just sit on the wheel either, per Lefevre.

Who knows what would've happened. Sure, Lefevre isn't happy but the riders didn't seem angry at Stannard, not during and not after the race.

Gotta hand it to Sep, it just wasn't his day with luck but he fought like a lion. His chase changed the entire outcome of the race.

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Gilbert went a K too early.

Love the way that guy rides. Both days he's doin his thing.
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Cobble wrote:
Patrick Lefevre on the other hand was furious and said Stannard should have done some work as well, because he was the team leader for Sky. A team leader isn't supposed to just sit on the wheel for 40km and if it would have been 3 Sky riders with Boonen as the 4th Boonen wouldn't just sit on the wheel either, per Lefevre.

Who knows what would've happened. Sure, Lefevre isn't happy but the riders didn't seem angry at Stannard, not during and not after the race.

Gotta hand it to Sep, it just wasn't his day with luck but he fought like a lion. His chase changed the entire outcome of the race.
Riders were indeed not angry, in fact Boonen seemed to put the blame on himself during the interview in the Sporza studio. And regarding Lefevre being furious --> check this video - it's in dutch and while it starts off friendly it ends with some rude comments and sarcasm. http://www.nieuwsblad.be/...mf20150228_01554321/


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i didn't get to see KBK today but i see Cav got the win. cool. i want everyone on form. let's get Sagan going too, have some slugfests.

http://sports.yahoo.com/...-165830976--spt.html

amusing to see that even with Cav's win, his team still got called out for not winning yesterday.
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Gilbert went a K too early.

i don't think there was a way he'd have gotten away regardless. Way too many helpers from too many sprinter teams.

but this bodes well for him for Milan San Remo as the line from bottom of Poggio is now 1km shorter...
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i didn't get to see KBK today but i see Cav got the win. cool. i want everyone on form. let's get Sagan going too, have some slugfests.

http://sports.yahoo.com/...-165830976--spt.html

amusing to see that even with Cav's win, his team still got called out for not winning yesterday.

think your wish will be granted at Strade Bianche. I'm looking forward to it. The next 8-9 weeks going up to Liege are truly the best time of the year for a cycling fan.
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i didn't get to see KBK today but i see Cav got the win. cool. i want everyone on form. let's get Sagan going too, have some slugfests.

http://sports.yahoo.com/...-165830976--spt.html

amusing to see that even with Cav's win, his team still got called out for not winning yesterday.

think your wish will be granted at Strade Bianche. I'm looking forward to it. The next 8-9 weeks going up to Liege are truly the best time of the year for a cycling fan.
Agreed! Maybe it's because I am flemish but this part of the season easily beats the grand tours or the world championship.


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echappist wrote:
dsmallwood wrote:
i didn't get to see KBK today but i see Cav got the win. cool. i want everyone on form. let's get Sagan going too, have some slugfests.

http://sports.yahoo.com/...-165830976--spt.html

amusing to see that even with Cav's win, his team still got called out for not winning yesterday.


think your wish will be granted at Strade Bianche. I'm looking forward to it. The next 8-9 weeks going up to Liege are truly the best time of the year for a cycling fan.
Agreed! Maybe it's because I am flemish but this part of the season easily beats the grand tours or the world championship.

did i say Liege? my bad. I meant Luik-Bastenaken-Luik :p

otoh, i like most wereld kampionschap. 2011 in Denmark being the obvious exception
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Gilbert went a K too early.

It's always a gamble.

But a great test of the legs before Milan San Remo!

Kudos to Cavendish - showing great poise and maturity that even when the train kind of broke down for him, he still could get the job done.


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No doubt, the next couple months are the best of the year.
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you're Flemish? What does this mean? I keep looking for Flem on the map but can't find it.
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Gilbert went a K too early.

It's always a gamble.

But a great test of the legs before Milan San Remo!

Kudos to Cavendish - showing great poise and maturity that even when the train kind of broke down for him, he still could get the job done.

Boonen, after working hard in pushing the break, then went on to lead out Cav. Great rider, great teammate.
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you're Flemish? What does this mean? I keep looking for Flem on the map but can't find it.

Try spitting harder.

Or alternatively, search for North Belgium.



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I sometimes think Stannard actually enjoys riding cobbles...

LOL. worthy of a caption contest! nice!
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Uncle Arqyle wrote:
you're Flemish? What does this mean? I keep looking for Flem on the map but can't find it.

It means you are a philistine.

TaffyTriathlete wrote:
Uncle Arqyle wrote:
you're Flemish? What does this mean? I keep looking for Flem on the map but can't find it.

Try spitting harder.

Nice one. I think there's a poem called Phields of Phlanders
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Bump.

Strade Bianche is up next. Provisional start list is available

Notable people who aren't racing this include defending champ Kwiatkowski and former winner Gilbert.

Piti Valverde, Cancellara, and GvA, in that order.

Enrico Battaglin and Moreno Moser as outside bets.
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Only got 2 out of 3 right.

Yesterday's forgotten at the Etixx camp.

Carl Spackler wrote:
I was hoping last year's protocol was done and buried...

Also, Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne is Sunday.
1) Cav
2) Greipel
3) Viviani

anyone up for a running tally starting this week World Tour and 1.HC races only? One point each if your picks (3 for podium and 2 outsiders) land in the top 5. 2 additional points for picking correct winner, 1 for picking correct podium placing. No Scheldeprijs unless people really demand it

The races will be as follows:

Strade Bianche
Milano San Remo
Dwoors Dwar Vlaanderen
E3
Gent Wevelgem
Ronde van Vlaanderen
Paris Roubaix
Brabantse Pijl
Amstel Gold
Fleche Wallonne
Liege
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Today was Saturday all over again for Etixx.
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I'm in.
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Today was Saturday all over again for Etixx.
Yup 4 guys in the front group and all Boeckmans had to do was wait and sprint and beat Meersman. Meersman is fast but why pull Boeckmans with you to the finish line?


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Bump.

Stir the pot: Did I hear that Kennaugh and Froome scratched from KBK with respiratory infections or some such thing? It seemed a little out of the blue but I could have heard wrong. If this sounds like I'm suspicious, that's about right. I just don't trust any of them no mo. Maybe some training juice hadn't quite worn off......

Astana is racing. They should be banned just for that hat Vino wears.

I'm going with Moser for the win bc I'm a Cannondale fan boy. 2 Virginia boys and 1 NH boy on the squad, and we sell Cannondales.

Stybar bc there's dirt.

Sagan bc I have a soft spot for the kucklehead.

(I reserve the right to change my picks before race time as I'm first in and there may be rider scratches, doping charges levelled, and other extenuations.)
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What the heck, I'll put something in:

Cadillac: Sagan (not confident in this but I just have to go with my boy)
Steak Knives: GvA
Fired: Gerrans
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For Strade Bianche

1. Kennaugh
2. Cancellara
3. Sagan

Although that's more how I hope it will finish

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For Strade Bianche

1. Kennaugh
2. Cancellara
3. Sagan

Although that's more how I hope it will finish

fabian has been sick as per his twitter account...

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Strade Bianche is probably my favorite non-monument classic next to E3. Really looking forward to this one. I think Stybar takes it. He's looked really strong so far this year and Etixx has had no problem getting it's key riders in the winning moves (finishing is another story). Will be interesting to see how Sagan is going.


1. Stybar
2. Cancellara
3. GVA
4. Terpstra
5. Vanmarke

Edited for 5.
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Nikki on a solo attack at the end
Sagan
Stybar

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LuisDF wrote:
deludedcyclist wrote:
For Strade Bianche

1. Kennaugh
2. Cancellara
3. Sagan

Although that's more how I hope it will finish

fabian has been sick as per his twitter account...

that is why he had him in second man



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As a reminder, you can pick five riders for your tea-leaf reading. No need to limit yourself to three. Entries close before the start of each race. I'll get a google spreadsheet to track the season-long results
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As a reminder, you can pick five riders for your tea-leaf reading. No need to limit yourself to three. Entries close before the start of each race. I'll get a google spreadsheet to track the season-long results

In that case, I'm adding:

Stybar as loser #1 and
Vanmarcke as loser #2. He seems hungry this season.
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Moser, Sagan, Stybar, FC , Sep
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1) Stybar
2) Sagan
3) GVA
Terpstra and Stannard
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Not sure I am very optimistic about Sep playing a role in this race simply because the team only starts with 5 riders. That will make it very hard to come back if something were to happen. Teams riding for the win all have 8 riders so I think it's quite a disadvantage.

I'm putting my money on Sagan this time!


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1) Cancellara
2) Gerrans
3) Terpstra
4) stybar
5) GVA

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  1. Gerrans (doesn't anyone listen to the old adage that cyclists stating they're not in top form are liars? except in FC's case where its true of course)
  2. Valverde (does well on cobbles, take them out, easy)
  3. Stybar (Only Cav can win for E-QuickStep it seems)
  4. Sagan (meh form)
  5. Van Marke (needs to drop 10kg ;)
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Can't wait for tomorrow. One of my favorite races, mainly because it is always agressive and exciting to watch!

1. Cancellara - his aggressive style is made for this race
2. Sagan - once again I think he'll take the runner up spot
3. Gerrans - would love to see him win though

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Anyone have a link for live streaming in english besides eurosport?

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Just check cyclingfans or steephill.tv they are the best ones. And eurosport is probably the only English coverage

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what a bummer. none of the streams work for me. And my picks are looking good for a top placement... Anybody pay for beIN sports and watch it through that? I may have to do that if they broadcast MSR
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as I type this...it appears that Sagan's been dropped. Double bummer
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Not sure I am very optimistic about Sep playing a role in this race simply because the team only starts with 5 riders. That will make it very hard to come back if something were to happen. Teams riding for the win all have 8 riders so I think it's quite a disadvantage.

I'm putting my money on Sagan this time!

Are you participating in Sep's online disinformation campaign (kind of like Chancellara with his tweet)? He seems to be doing pretty well today ;) Good on him!
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Darn, was one off on GVA

Carl Spackler wrote:
1) Stybar
2) Sagan
3) GVA
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Carl Spackler wrote:
Darn, was one off on GVA

Carl Spackler wrote:
1) Stybar
2) Sagan
3) GVA


Damn, Stybar was strong, and Etixx didn't shit the bed for once

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Breakout year for Stybar, he'll put it all togetherness--you heard it here. Sep is also super strong and has fully embraced the FC disinformation campaign.

The Spring Classics are shaping up to be the best and most wide open in years.

Now then, if only my actual bike fitness was a sharp as race predicting form...
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my bike racing form is actually as good as it has been this time of the year (not saying much), but my TT form is abysmal. Giving up at least 5% if not more compared to my road bike position...

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on another note, didn't expect Valverde to crack. He usually takes it to other classics specialists and sprinters in the finale of a race...
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While we are predicting, Im calling Vanmarcke for victory at Paris Roubaix. He looked excellent last week and very powerful in TT mode on the rolling stuff before the finish. Unless Boonen and Cancellara really turn it up in the next month, I think Sep's the man for the cobbles.

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Agreed, I'm sure a lot of eyes will be in him at P-R and the Ronde.
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I race next weekend when I'll have a complete view of how crappy my fitness is. I've done maybe one three-hour ride in past month and am off nearly 30% in total volume during that time. With our lack of winter this year everyone is flying right now so it's going to be a rude awakening. I have been doing a lot more intensity and see to have more snap than usual at this time of year so at least there's something positive to be delusional about.

Thought Stybar would have that in the bag but expected Valverde to put up more of a fight. Speaking of fight, Sagan is in desperate need of some.
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It was the first time I've been able to watch the Strade Bianche but that race is really awesome. It's similar to Paris Roubaix in a way that the field gets totally blown apart. Stoked to see Sep ride so well today, taking into account that the team had only 5 riders (and he again had a mechanical problem that cost him lots of energy when having to get back to the front somewhere halfway). Better than Sagan, better than Cancellara today. Just a little short on the final (real) climb but great chasing afterwards which showed he has gotten stronger this year.

I was not surprised with Stybar's win, he seemed to be the calmest and had the most patience in the race. Did his share of the work but didn't waste much energy. GvA did just a little too much and that cost him the win.


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I race next weekend when I'll have a complete view of how crappy my fitness is. I've done maybe one three-hour ride in past month and am off nearly 30% in total volume during that time. With our lack of winter this year everyone is flying right now so it's going to be a rude awakening. I have been doing a lot more intensity and see to have more snap than usual at this time of year so at least there's something positive to be delusional about.

Thought Stybar would have that in the bag but expected Valverde to put up more of a fight. Speaking of fight, Sagan is in desperate need of some.

Stybar looked like a smart Sagan. Sep is a beast. Great ride. GvA is an asterisk guy at this point.
Sagan has lost some swagger for sure, but it's early. I have noticed the last couple of seasons he's looked more human and I suspect there may have been some dietary changes.
I may race tomorrow and it's not going to be pretty. But it's early. In the season, that is, not life. That's def second half.
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First ever women's Strade Bianche And my friend Megan Guarnier WINS!!!!!!! Super happy for her. I remember when she first came to the velodrome and had just started racing.

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He was close but chasing alone is always hard (Same happen with Fab)

Sep, Fab, Niki and everybody else?!?!

that is what it looks like at the moment.

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Love me some Tunnel Bear.
Restricted to France? Il n'est pas problem. I'll be in France.
Spain? Si bueno. I'm in Spain.
Good stuff. Thanks.
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It was great to see Valverde getting blown away at the end. I was worried he was going to win it

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It was great to see Valverde getting blown away at the end. I was worried he was going to win it
What about Sagan getting even more blown away. Didn't see that one coming. Somehow I think he's not the super Sagan from 2 years ago.


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Yeah. He doesn't seem the same at all. I wonder if he is changing his training to be more focused towards GC at some stage. Or if something else changed

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Yeah. He doesn't seem the same at all. I wonder if he is changing his training to be more focused towards GC at some stage. Or if something else changed
He wasn't as good in the Spring classics either last year compared to the year before. Definitely not as dominant.


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Not even close to as dominate and how easily he won. Remember in 2012 winning all the ToC and TdS stages almost at will, then taking a few TdF stages along with Green Jersey for good measure? He's been good but nowhere near that. One breakout year that was an anomaly? Too much pressure to perform? Hopefully one of those and not another reason...
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Not even close to as dominate and how easily he won. Remember in 2012 winning all the ToC and TdS stages almost at will, then taking a few TdF stages along with Green Jersey for good measure? He's been good but nowhere near that. One breakout year that was an anomaly? Too much pressure to perform? Hopefully one of those and not another reason...
I wouldn't call it one breakout year, it seemed more like a continuation of his growth at that time (and he was already a star very early on). Yet somehow it seemed to stop, still winning in smaller races but not getting close in classics or other big events.


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Suspected broken collarbone for Boonen today. Bummer for him, that will pretty much kill his classics campaign. Good thing Etixx is so deep.
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Suspected broken collarbone for Boonen today. Bummer for him, that will pretty much kill his classics campaign. Good thing Etixx is so deep.
Bet you Terpstra and Stybar are secretly very happy with that. Lots of competition in their team, which now improves their individual chances.


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It was great to see Valverde getting blown away at the end. I was worried he was going to win it

dude u had to read the Spanish tweets...

"Valverde will find a way to f this up"

"Valverde will find a way to lose this one"

"Valverde ready to shit the bed"

lol

it was actually funny

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Cobble wrote:
Carl Spackler wrote:
Suspected broken collarbone for Boonen today. Bummer for him, that will pretty much kill his classics campaign. Good thing Etixx is so deep.
Bet you Terpstra and Stybar are secretly very happy with that. Lots of competition in their team, which now improves their individual chances.

but weakens the team...

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Cobble wrote:
Carl Spackler wrote:
Not even close to as dominate and how easily he won. Remember in 2012 winning all the ToC and TdS stages almost at will, then taking a few TdF stages along with Green Jersey for good measure? He's been good but nowhere near that. One breakout year that was an anomaly? Too much pressure to perform? Hopefully one of those and not another reason...
I wouldn't call it one breakout year, it seemed more like a continuation of his growth at that time (and he was already a star very early on). Yet somehow it seemed to stop, still winning in smaller races but not getting close in classics or other big events.

I think he still gets close (3 second places in Qatar or Oman...don't remember which) but not as dominant as he used to be. Real bummer for me as a fan and compatriot. And I'm not just blindly gobbling these performances up either. The sudden decrease in dominance makes me wonder what changed...training, expectations, herbal supplements?
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Not even close to as dominate and how easily he won. Remember in 2012 winning all the ToC and TdS stages almost at will, then taking a few TdF stages along with Green Jersey for good measure? He's been good but nowhere near that. One breakout year that was an anomaly? Too much pressure to perform? Hopefully one of those and not another reason...

Just a classic case of "Gilbert-2011-syndrome"

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Cobble wrote:
Carl Spackler wrote:
Not even close to as dominate and how easily he won. Remember in 2012 winning all the ToC and TdS stages almost at will, then taking a few TdF stages along with Green Jersey for good measure? He's been good but nowhere near that. One breakout year that was an anomaly? Too much pressure to perform? Hopefully one of those and not another reason...
I wouldn't call it one breakout year, it seemed more like a continuation of his growth at that time (and he was already a star very early on). Yet somehow it seemed to stop, still winning in smaller races but not getting close in classics or other big events.


I think he still gets close (3 second places in Qatar or Oman...don't remember which) but not as dominant as he used to be. Real bummer for me as a fan and compatriot. And I'm not just blindly gobbling these performances up either. The sudden decrease in dominance makes me wonder what changed...training, expectations, herbal supplements?

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We are running on an honor system, so don't go inflating your stats

otherwise do people like the scoring system? Right now there are bonus points for picking the exact spots (2 for winner 1 for correct second or third place) of the podium but not for picking people on the podium, so if you pick Vanmarcke, Cancellara, GvA in that order for last year's Ronde, you get no bonus points despite picking the right composition of the podium. Would people like to change things so that picking winner gets 3 bonus points, and then 1 point if your pick ends up on the podium? So in this revised case, the aforementioned scenario gets you three points whereas someone picking Cancellara, Terpstra, and Stybar would have gotten 3 points while someone picking Terpstra, Cancellara, and Stybar would have gotten 1 point. Thoughts? I think this would reward more for picking the winner (as it ought to).
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Haha...maybe he's not a kid anymore...who knows...

regarding the scoring - I think I need a refresher anyway - I'm not sure what I scored on Strade. My picks were:

1. Mr. Implosion (Sagan)
2. GvA
3. Bone crusher (Gerrans)
4. Stybar
5. Vanmarcke

Does this mean I get 1 point for GvA because I had him on the podium or 2 points for having him in 2nd? Do I get points for Stybar winning even though I had him in 4th?

I like the idea of bonus for picking the winner.
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kollac wrote:
Haha...maybe he's not a kid anymore...who knows...

regarding the scoring - I think I need a refresher anyway - I'm not sure what I scored on Strade. My picks were:

1. Mr. Implosion (Sagan)
2. GvA
3. Bone crusher (Gerrans)
4. Stybar
5. Vanmarcke

Does this mean I get 1 point for GvA because I had him on the podium or 2 points for having him in 2nd? Do I get points for Stybar winning even though I had him in 4th?

I like the idea of bonus for picking the winner.
under old system: 4 points as 3 people of the people picked finished top 5 (1 pt each) and 1 bonus for picking the correct second place. Under new system, also 4 points as 3 people of the people picked finished top 5 (1 pt each) and 1 bonus for picking the correct second place.

Say instead you had Stybar 3rd and Gerrans 4th, under the old system this wouldn't get you any bonus points, but under the new system, you get 1 bonus point as Stybar is on the podium (even though you didn't pick the correct podium). The latter change is made b/c i don't think there isn't more merit to picking correct 2nd and 3rd place than to pick people on the podium
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Suspected broken collarbone for Boonen today. Bummer for him, that will pretty much kill his classics campaign. Good thing Etixx is so deep.

. . and how quickly things change!

Bad and sad news for Boonen, and Boonen fans.

Indeed, with Boonen, out it changes the game for the upcoming Classics, for Etixx-QS, as well as the other favorites Cancellara et al

Never a dull moment!


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Thanks! Clearly, I'm way better at guessing the outcomes of athletic events than I am at participating in such events :D
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Bummed for TB. Bummed. Bummed. He was locked and loaded. Not going to have many more shots.
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Carl Spackler wrote:
Suspected broken collarbone for Boonen today. Bummer for him, that will pretty much kill his classics campaign. Good thing Etixx is so deep.

AC joint separation. Close but different. Could be worse, could be better. It doesn't appear to require surgery but he's out of the big ones either way. Bummer.
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Was thinking exactly the same.
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For Strade I picked 1) Stybar, 2) Sagan 3) GVA. How would that score?


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Old system: 4. Proposed system: 6
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echappist wrote:
Old system: 4. Proposed system: 6

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Indeed, with Boonen, out it changes the game for the upcoming Classics, for Etixx-QS, as well as the other favorites Cancellara et al

This actually may uncomplicate things at Etixx-QS, With Stybar, Terpstra, and Kwiatkowski (and Vandenbergh as a powerful helper) they still have plenty of firepower for the classics season.
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This actually may uncomplicate things at Etixx-QS, With Stybar, Terpstra, and Kwiatkowski (and Vandenbergh as a powerful helper) they still have plenty of firepower for the classics season.

But they still couldn't close the deal at Omloop in a 4 to 6 rider situation and finale!

They seem to work better when their is no question about what the game-plan will be. Example, the next day at KBK, there was little question as they would be riding the whole race for Cavendish!

I think as someone else pointed out, the real shame is not seeing Cancellara and Boonen face off one last time, while they are still close to the top of their game. I think both have slipped a bit, but are still getting by with strategy and team help/support. Next year, another year down the road it really could be over for the two of them.


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Fleck wrote:
This actually may uncomplicate things at Etixx-QS, With Stybar, Terpstra, and Kwiatkowski (and Vandenbergh as a powerful helper) they still have plenty of firepower for the classics season.

But they still couldn't close the deal at Omloop in a 4 to 6 rider situation and finale!

They seem to work better when their is no question about what the game-plan will be. Example, the next day at KBK, there was little question as they would be riding the whole race for Cavendish!

I think as someone else pointed out, the real shame is not seeing Cancellara and Boonen face off one last time, while they are still close to the top of their game. I think both have slipped a bit, but are still getting by with strategy and team help/support. Next year, another year down the road it really could be over for the two of them.
Opens things up for Stybar.
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Geez, not this sh@t again.
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Geez, not this sh@t again.

Geraint Thomas the climber. Roll eyes

Someone in another forum was mentioning Greg Henderson putting out 930w for 30 sec leading out Griepel, and i remarked that Henderson did something similar at the 2011 ToC where his sprinter Swift wasnt on the wheel and Henderson just took the lead out into a win.

While reading about it, Henderson mentioned that Sky would start working for their climber Froome in the race. Froome finished some 20 min behind Horner.

So ladies and gentleman, looks like a new climbing star, geraint Thomas, has arrived. /sarcasm
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Following in the footsteps of Peter Kennaugh, who went from the boards to being one of Froome's last guys at Le Tour. They know how to make climbers
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Kinda like Hincapie


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Following in the footsteps of Peter Kennaugh, who went from the boards to being one of Froome's last guys at Le Tour. They know how to make climbers

That's exactly who he reminded me of......
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Hincapie could climb but he was never a climber. Little different to win a TdF stage out of a break when the peloton isn't interested in chasing, than dropping a bunch of GC climbers when they're all going for it.
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Hincapie could climb but he was never a climber. Little different to win a TdF stage out of a break when the peloton isn't interested in chasing, than dropping a bunch of GC climbers when they're all going for it.

can somebody fill me in on the actuals here? I've had a lot of meetings (at work) and 0 access to cycling related news in the past 5 days.
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Porte and Thomas smashed faces at P-N today on final climb and went 1-2, dropping a bunch of climbers in process
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Following in the footsteps of Peter Kennaugh, who went from the boards to being one of Froome's last guys at Le Tour. They know how to make climbers


tbf, Kennaugh is on the younger side of things and weighs less than 65 kilo,. Furthermore he did finish 3rd in the baby Giro in 2009, and though he didn't win a mountain stage, it seems he was in the top 10. So his transformation at least isn't exactly out of the blue.

Thomas is 3 years older and weighs closer to 72 kilo. Here we have a classics specialist who attacked with 3-4 km to go, hold off the charges until with 800 m to go, and was the only person who could jump on Porte's wheel.

It seems that Sky not only knows how to make climbers out of classics specialists, but also classics specialists out of climbers (Wiggo).

Mind you that Wilfred Peeters said that Kwiatkowski has "legs too big to be a climber," and Kwiatkowski has shown far better pedigree than Thomas has ever shown.
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Geraint Thomas and Richie Porte dropped the field inside the last 2k of a 10k climb.
When Thomas rides away from a healthy Tejay, I begin to think incremental rhymes with micro.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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how dare you?

it's nothing that a backdated TUE can't overcome ;)

It seems that the following has become the team song for Sky


Haters wanna knock me, WADA wanna box me in
But somehow, I beat them charges like Rocky
H to the izz-O, V to the izz-A
Not guilty, he who does not feel me is not real to me
Therefore he doesn't exist
So poof...vamoose son of a bitch
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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McNulty wrote:
Geraint Thomas and Richie Porte dropped the field inside the last 2k of a 10k climb.
When Thomas rides away from a healthy Tejay, I begin to think incremental rhymes with micro.

I see what you did there ;) Thanks for the cliff notes everyone. Now I'm whole again and ready to attack another big set of spreadsheets.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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2012 Baby Giro, Dombrowski wins, then Aru 2nd, then Zakarin, now with Katusha I think. He had already been popped for steroids at 19 and suspended for 2 years. They get started early over there....

Sorry. I'm jaded. Shaking my head ruefully over here.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Isn't it a bit premature to call Wiggins a classics specialist yet? I mean he bulked up a bit and was what 9th? at last years paris roubaix but just because people keep mentioning him in their favorite list doesnt say sooo much until he gets a bit closer to a podium finish. Having said that its great to see a tour winner *trying* to become a specialist, even though with wiggins I just see it as a way to kill some time until the Olympics next year.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [snaaijert] [ In reply to ]
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totally tongue in cheek. to be a little bit nerdy, it's as if Sky riders are the cycling equivalent of pluripotent stem cells as those are the types of cells that can become any sort of cell: moldable to be shaped into whatever Sky sees fit. It's more the other way of turning people having no climbing backgrounds (Froome and Thomas) into riders who beat up veritable climbers...
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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RandMart wrote:
http://deadspin.com/asshole-spectator-grabs-cyclists-handlebars-causes-bro-1691200464

completely scary. there's another thread about it here http://forum.slowtwitch.com/..._reply;so=ASC;mh=25;

i'm just surprised there haven't been more incidents like this
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [deludedcyclist] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah. He doesn't seem the same at all. I wonder if he is changing his training to be more focused towards GC at some stage. Or if something else changed

Anybody see the finish today? Not the best positioning in the last K and still eked out a respectable finish. Now, we could look at it in a glass half full way and say he blew another chance but I guess that's bike racing. From where he was he came very close to the top spot today.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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kollac wrote:
deludedcyclist wrote:
Yeah. He doesn't seem the same at all. I wonder if he is changing his training to be more focused towards GC at some stage. Or if something else changed


Anybody see the finish today? Not the best positioning in the last K and still eked out a respectable finish. Now, we could look at it in a glass half full way and say he blew another chance but I guess that's bike racing. From where he was he came very close to the top spot today.

I think the glass is both half full and half empty. On one hand, Sagan/Saxo shat the bed on the positioning after miles and miles of work on the front which undoubtedley cost them the win (no way GVA is faster than Sagan straight out).

On the other hand, Sagan looks like he is entering beast mode this week both today and in the TT. He is all over that bike, accelerating like an animal and looks hungry. I think he has had some kindly inspiration from Mr. Tinkoff after so many near misses. I think he is on track.

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Jordano] [ In reply to ]
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I wouldn't want Tinkoff saying shit to me if I have been working as hard as Sagan to win. He's like a Russian George Steinbrenner. Horse's ass.

GvA* is now off the snide, winning the stage. He must be Sky high right now, like in the ozone.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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Jordano wrote:
kollac wrote:
deludedcyclist wrote:
Yeah. He doesn't seem the same at all. I wonder if he is changing his training to be more focused towards GC at some stage. Or if something else changed


Anybody see the finish today? Not the best positioning in the last K and still eked out a respectable finish. Now, we could look at it in a glass half full way and say he blew another chance but I guess that's bike racing. From where he was he came very close to the top spot today.


I think the glass is both half full and half empty. On one hand, Sagan/Saxo shat the bed on the positioning after miles and miles of work on the front which undoubtedley cost them the win (no way GVA is faster than Sagan straight out).

On the other hand, Sagan looks like he is entering beast mode this week both today and in the TT. He is all over that bike, accelerating like an animal and looks hungry. I think he has had some kindly inspiration from Mr. Tinkoff after so many near misses. I think he is on track.
on an "uphill sprint" i'm not as sure.


McNulty wrote:
I wouldn't want Tinkoff saying shit to me if I have been working as hard as Sagan to win. He's like a Russian George Steinbrenner. Horse's ass.

GvA* is now off the snide, winning the stage. He must be Sky high right now, like in the ozone.

Greg van Ozonemat or Greg Vaminolat?
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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echappist wrote:
Jordano wrote:
kollac wrote:
deludedcyclist wrote:
Yeah. He doesn't seem the same at all. I wonder if he is changing his training to be more focused towards GC at some stage. Or if something else changed


Anybody see the finish today? Not the best positioning in the last K and still eked out a respectable finish. Now, we could look at it in a glass half full way and say he blew another chance but I guess that's bike racing. From where he was he came very close to the top spot today.


I think the glass is both half full and half empty. On one hand, Sagan/Saxo shat the bed on the positioning after miles and miles of work on the front which undoubtedley cost them the win (no way GVA is faster than Sagan straight out).

On the other hand, Sagan looks like he is entering beast mode this week both today and in the TT. He is all over that bike, accelerating like an animal and looks hungry. I think he has had some kindly inspiration from Mr. Tinkoff after so many near misses. I think he is on track.

on an "uphill sprint" i'm not as sure.

Sagan's got a lot of absolutely stunning uphill sprint/attack victories in his palmares (TdSuisse, Tdf 2012, B-Pjil, Tirreno 2014...) while GVA has only a couple and a whole sack full of top 5's. I don't think that speed has dried up at age 25, GVA was just more savvy today and perhaps more topped up on Noble Gases.

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Jordano] [ In reply to ]
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GvA looked good for the win. I was expecting him to be passed before the line.

Does anyone know if Boonen is confirmed out for the rest of the spring?

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [deludedcyclist] [ In reply to ]
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this is exciting at Paris Nice. Skybots can't descend in the rain
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [deludedcyclist] [ In reply to ]
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GvA looked good for the win. I was expecting him to be passed before the line.

Does anyone know if Boonen is confirmed out for the rest of the spring?

For a while at least. Dislocated shoulder and broken elbow.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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this is exciting at Paris Nice. Skybots can't descend in the rain

That was odd to see Porte slid out then Thomas after? Could it be tire compound not grippy in wet conditions? Seems just the two of them out of the bunch that crashed...
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [flyrunride] [ In reply to ]
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Sky neglected to use a water-proofing compound on their skybots, thus when it rains, the rain damages skybots, and skybots lose control of their bikes

See also, Wiggins, Bradley at the 2013 Giro
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [flyrunride] [ In reply to ]
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Porte was leaning right and his inside pedal was being pushed which seemed to slide his rear wheel. He's probably not completely used to his micro gains. I mean, incremental. My bad.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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Porte was leaning right and his inside pedal was being pushed which seemed to slide his rear wheel. He's probably not completely used to his micro gains. I mean, incremental. My bad.

They need inclemental gains.
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Arch Stanton wrote:
McNulty wrote:
Porte was leaning right and his inside pedal was being pushed which seemed to slide his rear wheel. He's probably not completely used to his micro gains. I mean, incremental. My bad.

They need inclemental gains.

Ftw

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Arch Stanton wrote:
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Porte was leaning right and his inside pedal was being pushed which seemed to slide his rear wheel. He's probably not completely used to his micro gains. I mean, incremental. My bad.


They need inclemental gains.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Welp
They got the inclemental gain.

echappist wrote:
Arch Stanton wrote:
McNulty wrote:
Porte was leaning right and his inside pedal was being pushed which seemed to slide his rear wheel. He's probably not completely used to his micro gains. I mean, incremental. My bad.


They need inclemental gains.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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jackmott wrote:
Welp
They got the inclemental gain.

echappist wrote:
Arch Stanton wrote:
McNulty wrote:
Porte was leaning right and his inside pedal was being pushed which seemed to slide his rear wheel. He's probably not completely used to his micro gains. I mean, incremental. My bad.


They need inclemental gains.

golf clap

I think you mean inclinemental
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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So next question is, who's gonna come out of the Tirreno sick? That weather they've had yesterday and today sure can't be good.


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So next question is, who's gonna come out of the Tirreno sick? That weather they've had yesterday and today sure can't be good.

Fabian will def whine about it he he he

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LuisDF wrote:
Cobble wrote:
So next question is, who's gonna come out of the Tirreno sick? That weather they've had yesterday and today sure can't be good.


Fabian will def whine about it he he he
Right on cue.

"Fabian Cancellara (Trek Factory Racing) also vented his anger, tweeting: “This has nothing to do with fun. Hope all the riders are safe arrived #TirrenoAdriatico” and “The winner had not this condition like this riders there must be a change for some rules #weatherCondition #rules”"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cancellara-speaks-out-for-the-peloton-after-snow-hits-tirreno-adriatico

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Cobble wrote:
So next question is, who's gonna come out of the Tirreno sick? That weather they've had yesterday and today sure can't be good.

What's the weather looking like for MSR? Today sure was a good day for my boy :).

People put their picks together yet or are we waiting for the fallout from this week? What's the deadline?
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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kollac wrote:
Cobble wrote:
So next question is, who's gonna come out of the Tirreno sick? That weather they've had yesterday and today sure can't be good.


What's the weather looking like for MSR? Today sure was a good day for my boy :).

People put their picks together yet or are we waiting for the fallout from this week? What's the deadline?
deadline is start of the race, though no one on the East Coast is nearly psychotic enough to check at 4am EST ;)

i'm waiting until i get a better read on the weather. 6-day weather forecast is a complete crapshoot, but right now it says sunny, fwiw.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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MSR has definitely gotten more interesting with Sagan winning yesterday and FC today. Tough race to predict with new (old) finish.
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Have the tally from Strade (https://docs.google.com/...3RW2XLLB4/edit#gid=0)

10 participants so far.

Under old tally, Landyachtz (5), Carl Spackler (4), Kollac (4), Recall (3), Aidanlynch (2), yours truly (2), McNulty (2), LuisDF (1), Swimmer 04 (0)

Under new system, Landyachtz (6), Carl Spackler (5), Recall (5), Kollac (4), yours truly (4), McNulty (3), Aidanlynch (2), LuisDF (2), Swimmer04 (0)

The newer system provides bonuses if a) someone you pick on the podium lands on the podium (1pt) and b) you picked the winner (additional 1 pt).

Old system rewarded for winner, but if your 2nd place finished 1st and 1st place finished 2nd, you get no additional bonuses whereas under the new system you get two bonus points (1 for each pikc). I think the newer system is a bit more fair.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Carl Spackler wrote:
MSR has definitely gotten more interesting with Sagan winning yesterday and FC today. Tough race to predict with new (old) finish.

Agree. Mr. Fairweather Chancellara has been strong and Sagan's form is (finally) picking up too. Apparently Cav is targeting MSR as well but I'm not so sure what to make of it. He's done well in the past obviously but hasn't been doing all that well with climbing.

Very little of what I say/write is based on facts so take that with lots of salt:)
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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Rain forecast on Sunday. I'm a little torn between a field sprint due to new (old) finish or selection going clear. Field sprint I'd go Cav, Kristoff, Matthews. Selection I'd pick FC, Sagan, Matthews.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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I'm betting on the shorter run-in and a gambler for La Primavera....

Cadillac: Greg VanA
Steak Knives: Degenkolb
Fired: Sagan

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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Carl Spackler wrote:
Rain forecast on Sunday. I'm a little torn between a field sprint due to new (old) finish or selection going clear. Field sprint I'd go Cav, Kristoff, Matthews. Selection I'd pick FC, Sagan, Matthews.
you can predict multiple scenarios, but you have to stick to just one for your picks. How do you think the five named would fare?
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I'm betting on the shorter run-in and a gambler for La Primavera....

Cadillac: Greg VanA
Steak Knives: Degenkolb
Fired: Sagan

You get two more wildcard picks
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Hmmm....for wildcards, I'll go with Cav and Kristoff since it will be a bunch gallop behind Greg. Wink

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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I'm going to try something different this time. Instead of unwavering faith in our Slovak Hulk and possible negative jinxing effects, I'll pick him for the steak knives:

Cadillac: FC (despite the rain)
Steak Knives: Sagan
Fired: Kwiatkovski

Wild card1: Cav
Wild card2: Kristoff

I think Van Avarmeat may be running out of gas.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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Power13 wrote:
Hmmm....for wildcards, I'll go with Cav and Kristoff since it will be a bunch gallop behind Greg. Wink
didn't know you also like GvA
kollac wrote:
I'm going to try something different this time. Instead of unwavering faith in our Slovak Hulk and possible negative jinxing effects, I'll pick him for the steak knives:

Cadillac: FC (despite the rain)
Steak Knives: Sagan
Fired: Kwiatkovski

Wild card1: Cav
Wild card2: Kristoff

I think Van Avarmeat may be running out of gas.
that's okay, i hear ozone is quite oxidative ;)
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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1: Degenkolb
2: Kristoff
3: Cancellara

WC: Sagan
WC: GVA
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Landyachtz] [ In reply to ]
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Can't go with GvA bc the other guys are riding clean and it's not fair. Woops, Sesame Street is coming on!
In a wet sprint, I'll go Kristoff bc I think he can go from further out better than Cav, while Cav surfs wheels and times his shots better than anyone. And Greipel too as he's just so powerful but he's looking beefy and this race will beat him down. If he's riding.
But I think if a group gets away, it should be Sagan. Dude does everything but win and now he wins. And I'll take his handling skills in bad weather.
But I'm waiting on the weather report and to plagiarize others' picks.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Carl Spackler wrote:
Rain forecast on Sunday. I'm a little torn between a field sprint due to new (old) finish or selection going clear. Field sprint I'd go Cav, Kristoff, Matthews. Selection I'd pick FC, Sagan, Matthews.

to taper off into the evening hours though. But the most salient point is the wind: 19-20 mph from NNE, which is mostly tailwind for the general direction and the descent and run-in to San Remo. It should make a fast race, which usually means a harder race. This would also be tailwind for all but the last two climbs, all of which are on the shallow side. The actual climb are hard to read as they head northwest, but the last mile of the Cipressa (at 3.1%) heads SW and the last mile of il Poggio (at 3.2%) heads NW.

My prediction is that if the weather holds, a late break is going to stay away.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, yeah, I know. More thinking out loud, need to narrow pick.

@Power - good call on Degenkolb, he's shaping up to be a classics beast. It's such a hard race that it's not who is the fastest sprinter, but how has the most sprint left after 290k. That's why I'm thinking it will go to someone with a few more classics in their legs.
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I think Van Avarmeat may be running out of gas.
YOu know what, I have been thinking the same. Guy has been racing hard since early in the season and I can't imagine him being able to maintain that till Flanders and Roubaix (or get even better).

In contrast, guys like Cancellara took a much slower start and are now really starting to ramp up. Sep also starts the season with minimal racing before Omloop (only Algarve) and rides Tirreno in energy-saver mode. It's a different approach and time will tell who's right, but I have my doubts GvA will still be as strong as he has been when we get to the Flanders & roubaix week.


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kollac wrote:
Carl Spackler wrote:
MSR has definitely gotten more interesting with Sagan winning yesterday and FC today. Tough race to predict with new (old) finish.


Agree. Mr. Fairweather Chancellara has been strong and Sagan's form is (finally) picking up too. Apparently Cav is targeting MSR as well but I'm not so sure what to make of it. He's done well in the past obviously but hasn't been doing all that well with climbing.

Very little of what I say/write is based on facts so take that with lots of salt:)

Got that right, Mr. Cav looked like he's had a few too many pastries with his tea at T-A. Hard to see him jamming with the classics guys up the climbs.

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Jordano] [ In reply to ]
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1. Fab
2. VALVERDE
3. Sagan

Valverde is my "weird" pick :)

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Jordano] [ In reply to ]
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Saw that in Cav too but he's going to have a lot of help staying in. That said Etixx has a whole bunch of options so how hard do they work to keep Fatty McButterpants in the mix? They're going to want to have at least 1 guy in any break that looks sticky.
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you are allowed two other "weird picks"
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Jordano] [ In reply to ]
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Cav was reportedly recovering from an illness that he picked up on a sponsor trip to South Africa just before the start of Tirreno. Hence his poor showing there...

Given his love affair with MSR, I expect that he'll be in the running when they hit the Poggio...then it all depends what happens on the Poggio...

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [TaffyTriathlete] [ In reply to ]
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1. Cavendish
2. Kristoff
3. Cancellara

WC - Navardauskas
WC - Boasson Hagen

I don't have any TV coverage of it until Monday morning (sportsnet, apparently curling is a big deal) so will have to either avoid the result or find a last 10k upload.....

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [deludedcyclist] [ In reply to ]
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1st: Kwiatkowski
2nd: Gilbert
3rd: Cancellara
WC: Degenkolb
WC: Lobato
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Rain = Norwegian
1. Kristoff

WC: Edvald
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Lobato- nice. Was thinking of him aa a semi dark horse.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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watch me get pwned this round

i truly think the break would stay away this time. we shall see
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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I think Kristoff was in too good of form too early this year, pretty hard to hold that kind of fitness for several months...unless he has in fact been able to build on the early season success. Sagan and Cancellara seem to be perfectly coming into form this year, in particular Sagan, i think this year he is building a bit more slowly which i am suspecting will lead to better success. Kwiatkowski is super strong right now and he has to make a move, but most people who can follow him can also out sprint him, same situation with GVA.

1. Sagan
2. Cancellara (assuming the weather is too his liking and he decides to ride)
3. Kwiatkowski

Sprint finish WC

1. Cav

Random WC

Valverde
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1. Cavendish
2. Kristoff
3. Cancellara

WC - Navardauskas
WC - Boasson Hagen

I don't have any TV coverage of it until Monday morning (sportsnet, apparently curling is a big deal) so will have to either avoid the result or find a last 10k upload.....

If you go to Steephill.tv they always have a non spoiler version of all races by default until you click the spoiler link and they generally link to youtube clips of varying lengths, usually the last 10k for sure. I'm not sure how long they have the non spoiler version on but i think its at least a day
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1. Kwiatkowski
2. Kristoff
3. Sagan

Having said this, I'm hoping Cavendish takes it.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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echappist wrote:
watch me get pwned this round

i truly think the break would stay away this time. we shall see

Really comes down to picking sprinters, or the punchers and rollers. hedging between the two which doesn't really win you anything.
I'm really liking Gilbert for some reason....
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Kristoff, Degenkolb, Sagan, Matthews, Cavendish
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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Kristoff, Degenkolb, Sagan, Matthews, Cavendish

but isn't this kind of a hedging bet too? ;)
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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kollac wrote:
McNulty wrote:
Kristoff, Degenkolb, Sagan, Matthews, Cavendish


but isn't this kind of a hedging bet too? ;)

it's sprinter heavy, i guess, if you like Sagan as a sprinter after 800k or whatever it is.. i did leave out FC and Gilbert and Kwiatkowski....and I may well pay for that, especially FC

its more fun to go dark horse with Lobato (who is not really that long a shot) or Greipel or Demare or Bouhanni....i just don't know anymore...shorter run in after the Poggio, maybe guys stay away...going to be fun
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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I always like referencing the betting odds with my predictions: http://www.oddschecker.com/...ilan-san-remo/winner

I will take a favourite: Sagan (9:2 odds) because he can win in any scenario.

A couple of outsider sprinters: Matthews (22:1) and Swift (33:1). And the indomitable Nibali as my (very) darkhorse at 80:1.

I would love to see the frustrated, almost petulant Nibali win after writing off his own chances in the media.

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Everyone] [ In reply to ]
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Is anyone setting up a group with Velogames this year?
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [WILLEATFORFOOD] [ In reply to ]
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Made one for Spring Classics


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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Jordano] [ In reply to ]
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Sagan is a pretty solid pick to cover both scenarios.

I'm going Cav, Sagan, Degenkolb. WC Stybar and Matthews.
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Meanwhile, somewhere in France...

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Cobble] [ In reply to ]
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Sky better sit up now if Swift wants a shot.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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BMC setting up Gilbert.....I think he goes shortly
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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Gonna be a tough call for Sagan: follow an attack or be patient. Wonder if Etixx keeps everyone together for Cav or sends someone to follow. Hincapie has a great story about how they all slow pedaled waiting for him and then made a furious push to the front.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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Other than Sagan, what is Saxo doing, enjoying a day on the coast?
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Luca Paolini is a baaaaad man.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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Sagan should ride as "unattached".
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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No doubt, wonder how Oleg will take this one.

Got 2/3 of the podium right.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Some dumb racing by Sky. No need to waste energy to ride with 3 ahead of the peloton like that. Great win for Degenkolb, fantastic rider.


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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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Kind of wonder if he should have attacked right after GVA pulled off the front when they hit the flat. He had 5-6 bike lengths and with a hard attack he has the power to hang on for the final 1-1.5k to the end considering there was not a significant train for any one particular rider. In some regards i think Sagan is more cautious in his racing lately.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Ron_Burgundy] [ In reply to ]
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Sagan had good reason to be confident in his sprint and hold back. He was the fastest in that finale (close with Matthews), he just had no help with positioning and had to move across the entire road from 10 riders back in the last 150m. His team blew it!

What happened to Swift?! He was looking so strong to give me a surprise win!

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MSR proved ounce again to be a fascinating race with the outcome in doubt right up until the final few meters.

It did set up well for Kristoff with Paolini acting as the dutiful lead-out, but he was out gunned by the freelancing Degenkolb.

I to wondered about the 3-up SKY break/chase and wondered what the point of it all was. Surely, they did not think they could ride Swift all the way to the finish that way from that far out? Or was it a leg tester for Thomas as he soldiered on his own and then with Oss for a bit.

Some key favourites notably Kwitovski, Gilbert and Ciolek taken out by a crash on the descent of the Poggio - but that's part of the finale of this race.

Notably, Cancellara, right there at the finish - bodes well for the trip back north and the upcoming Flemish classics for him. Watch out!

Good grief - will Peter Sagan, ever win one of these "Monuments"?


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Sometimes the race deals you opportunities that aren't favorable and you take your best shot. Sky was lining it out over the top and descent....crash happens right behind them and they get a huge gap with just the three of them. They still have Stannard in the bunch, who will get a free ride, so you knuckle down and get to work. Forces other teams to work and you try and capitalize on the situation. Not ideal, but that is the way it unfolds sometimes.

Sagan continues to show he is not the rider he once was....and he is still young. He lacks the tactical skills to position himself correctly.

Ride of the day goes to Paolini. Dude pulled the whole way up the Poggio, recovered set the pace again in the last 2KM and set Kristoff up for the sprint. Chapeau.

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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Indeed - Paolini was awesome.

There was a brief shot of Kristoff nearly coming un-hitched from the back near the top of the Cipressa, with again, Paolini dutifully waiting to help Kristoff get back in it - and indeed, from there to the finish-line the bearded one, road like a machine, to almost get his team leader across the line first.

Yes, I sensed that, the SKY move could be a bit of a foil.


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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Cobble] [ In reply to ]
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Agreed, Sky's move was odd. There was no organized leadout from any team so if those three get to the bottom with Swift, it could have been interesting.

Regardless, awesome win by Degenkolb. Only 26 and he now has a monument plus Gent-Wevelgem, Paris-Tours, Vattenfall, some points jerseys and a podium at Roubiax. The conversation should turn to him as the one to watch instead of Sagan for the next few weeks.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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i remember we had a discussion last year regarding how the podium of the 2010 U23 road race (Matthews 1st, Degenkolb 2nd, Phinney/Boivin 3rd) was really beginning to shine. Didn't take too long for Degenkolb to bring the goods. I was really impressed by his results at Paris Roubaix last year.

also, my picks were ruefully incorrect save for the wild card pick of Degenkolb. Oh well.

also, remember to tally your results here: https://docs.google.com/...3RW2XLLB4/edit#gid=0

1 pt if one of your pick lands in top 5
1 bonus pt (on top of the above) if one of your podium lands on the podium
1 more bonus pt for picking the correct winner
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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So if my math is right, I get 2 for Degenkolb, 2 for Mathews (WC) and 1 for Sagan, for a haul of 5 points?
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Carl Spackler wrote:
So if my math is right, I get 2 for Degenkolb, 2 for Mathews (WC) and 1 for Sagan, for a haul of 5 points?


Carl Spackler wrote:
Sagan is a pretty solid pick to cover both scenarios.

I'm going Cav, Sagan, Degenkolb. WC Stybar and Matthews.


The wildcards don't get any bonuses. so 3 points for 3 people in the top 5, and 1 bonus as one person you picked to be on the podium is actually on the podium.

i think @ landyachtz smoked everyone again

After two rounds, Landyachtz 1st place at 12, Carl Spackler 2nd place at 9, McNulty 3rd place at 9. We should have some sort of tie brakers, perhaps giving more for Monuments, then other WC classics, etc.
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Sagan had good reason to be confident in his sprint and hold back. He was the fastest in that finale (close with Matthews), he just had no help with positioning and had to move across the entire road from 10 riders back in the last 150m. His team blew it!

What happened to Swift?! He was looking so strong to give me a surprise win!

I disagree, Sagan is good but not that good of a sprinter when compared to the quality of sprinters he was competing with AND considering his team stopped for a coffee at the end. With a field strung out like that, nobody on the front chasing, and a gap you just go for it at that point.
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I disagree, Sagan is good but not that good of a sprinter when compared to the quality of sprinters he was competing with AND considering his team stopped for a coffee at the end.

But they're directed by a tactical genius...
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I'm going to try something different this time. Instead of unwavering faith in our Slovak Hulk and possible negative jinxing effects, I'll pick him for the steak knives:

Cadillac: FC (despite the rain)
Steak Knives: Sagan
Fired: Kwiatkovski

Wild card1: Cav
Wild card2: Kristoff

I think Van Avermaet may be running out of gas.

I'm pretty sure this only nets me 2 points. Curious about Landyachtz...can you give me your picks for some soccer games? With your accuracy we can make some real money...

Also...very disappointed in how this one shook out. Seems like Tinkoff-Saxo were so careful to keep him at the front for a LONG time that they wasted just a tad too much energy. Then you get Degenkolb (who I didn't even see during the race) and Kristoff (who barely makes it over the climbs with the leaders) swoop in and take the spoils. Much riskier but obviously the rewards were significant. Smart racing from both of them. The only cool thing from camp-Sagan this week is his new bike. Looks badass as all hell. I may have to get me a china-venge and freestyle a similar paintjob :)
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In reality Sagan is unlikely to beat Degenkolb or Kristoff in any situation, even Matthews is a handful. Those guys are closer to pure sprinters and nearly always faster.

I'll put down this marker, baring anything unforeseen like a crash or injury: Sagan takes this year's Ronde.
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kollac wrote:
I'm pretty sure this only nets me 2 points. Curious about Landyachtz...can you give me your picks for some soccer games? With your accuracy we can make some real money...

Also...very disappointed in how this one shook out. Seems like Tinkoff-Saxo were so careful to keep him at the front for a LONG time that they wasted just a tad too much energy. Then you get Degenkolb (who I didn't even see during the race) and Kristoff (who barely makes it over the climbs with the leaders) swoop in and take the spoils. Much riskier but obviously the rewards were significant. Smart racing from both of them. The only cool thing from camp-Sagan this week is his new bike. Looks badass as all hell. I may have to get me a china-venge and freestyle a similar paintjob :)

still better than my 1pt prediction. Dwars Door Vlaanderen, E3, and Gent are all on tap for this week. Deadline for picks before start of the races.

Dwars should be "fun" as it seems not so many big names will be doing it. Start list here: http://ddv.pro.p.assets.flandersclassics.be/...32198.pdf?1427055495

1st Terpstra
2nd Bo Hagen
3rd Trentin
WC Debusschere
WC Van Ashbroeck
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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That was a crazy one yesterday. I didn't think Kristoff was going to be there after struggling so badly on the Cipressa, but I figured once Degenkolb made it over the Poggio in the front group he had a good chance of winning. With the uphill punch he showed with his win in Oman, I think he may be the man to watch for Flanders.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Carl Spackler wrote:
In reality Sagan is unlikely to beat Degenkolb or Kristoff in any situation, even Matthews is a handful. Those guys are closer to pure sprinters and nearly always faster.

I'll put down this marker, baring anything unforeseen like a crash or injury: Sagan takes this year's Ronde.
I don't think so. Just going by how Sagan got dropped at Strade Bianchi on the hills when Sep was accelerating, and then finished behind the peloton, I think he is simply not strong enough to be a contender.


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Luca Paolini is a baaaaad man.

I was watching the 2014 M-SR just before the start of the live Eurosport coverage, and Paolini was the same badass last year as he was this year.
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i am begining to wonder too. Sagan used to win by the excess of talent he had oozing out of every orifice. now we has to work for it. and work smartly.

i don't think he has demonstrated those race smarts yet. Herb Brooks had a line, "you're trying to win on talent alone. gentlemen, you're not good enough to win on talent alone". i wonder if that's where Sagan now sits. he's still to young to write off.
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Could be, but that race is still a few weeks away and he's looking stronger and stronger. Yesterday he had no problem following accelerations after 285k of racing (he actually sat up) and then sprinting, where he made a tactical error more than anything.
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That was a crazy one yesterday. I didn't think Kristoff was going to be there after struggling so badly on the Cipressa, but I figured once Degenkolb made it over the Poggio in the front group he had a good chance of winning. With the uphill punch he showed with his win in Oman, I think he may be the man to watch for Flanders.

Patersburg is deceivingly hard. The uphill sprint in Oman is about 30 seconds or so, this is more than a minute, coming after 240 km of much hillier racing. If he gets gapped 7 seconds by a group, he'd have little chance of bridging up.
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Yeah we'll see, he may be too good too early to maintain until Flanders and Roubaix anyway. E3, as always, will tell a lot about who's really a contender for Flanders.
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Could be, but that race is still a few weeks away and he's looking stronger and stronger. Yesterday he had no problem following accelerations after 285k of racing (he actually sat up) and then sprinting, where he made a tactical error more than anything.

Yeah, I wouldn't use the Strade Bianchi as any kind of indicator for Flanders necessarily.....lots of room for improvement and arguably peaking between the two.

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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Yep, and the fact he had plenty of acceleration in his legs on the Poggio would seem to indicate he's going in the right direction. Fabian didn't win yesterday either but I doubt anyone is counting him out for Holy Week.
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Yep, and the fact he had plenty of acceleration in his legs on the Poggio would seem to indicate he's going in the right direction. Fabian didn't win yesterday either but I doubt anyone is counting him out for Holy Week.
I was hoping for Fab to win again, but from watching yesterday, you could almost sense an invisible line that once crossed, there was no way Fab was going to win. I kept looking for him to make a move at the top of the Poggio or right at the base of the decent. When he didn't go then, about the time the GVA pulled back to get back in line, I figured that it wasn't going to be his day. Good for him to stick with it to the line and test his legs against the sprinters to see what he might have in him should things go down again like they did last year at Ronde.

I just want to see another attack of his like the one on Boonen on the Muur and then again at PR a week later...."oh la la la la la la....Balen we have a problem....TomTomTomTom!"
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Ron_Burgundy wrote:

I disagree, Sagan is good but not that good of a sprinter when compared to the quality of sprinters he was competing with AND considering his team stopped for a coffee at the end.


But they're directed by a tactical genius...

Who apparently got suspended ... Not sure if more pressure from an angry Russian thie...I mean...businessman is the answer to Tinkoff Saxo problems. Anywhooo...
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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I'll keep betting Sagan. He's demonstrated more mature and savvy racing and he'll get his if he doesn't let the media pressure and that jackass owner get to him. He's super consistent and has been doing it alone for a while. Nobody is questioning Cancellara's ride yesterday.

These guys are blessed/cursed to be THAT good to even hang with the sprinters in bunch finishes. You could see Sagan sitting up a bit and being patient rather than try to outrun the field at the finish. He's thinking.

Still marveling at Paolini. Kristoff was close to popping and managed 2nd.

I don't like Sky. Don't know what it is. It might be the homer Eurosport announcers. They wet themselves every time Sky goes to the front. It might be the unusual performances.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Could be, but that race is still a few weeks away and he's looking stronger and stronger. Yesterday he had no problem following accelerations after 285k of racing (he actually sat up) and then sprinting, where he made a tactical error more than anything.
Well but 50 others had no problem following either and they won't be there in the final kilometers of Flanders. Milan San Remo is a much easier race than Flanders; so being able to follow on the Pogio doesn't convince me all these guys will be able to be part of the finale towards Oudenaarde. When Sep and Cancellara will drop the hammer on the Oude Kwaremont I don't see Sagan follow.


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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Quintana Ftw!

Lars Boom, Boss, Zabel
WC: Terpstra and have to go with my man, Ted King
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I don't like Sky. Don't know what it is. It might be the homer Eurosport announcers. They wet themselves every time Sky goes to the front. It might be the unusual performances.

SKY is like the yankees, they're easy to cheer against simply because they have an all-star line up.

i'm not a huge froome or wiggo fan, but i'm loving porte and thomas. those two are great.
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RONDAL wrote:
McNulty wrote:

I don't like Sky. Don't know what it is. It might be the homer Eurosport announcers. They wet themselves every time Sky goes to the front. It might be the unusual performances.

SKY is like the yankees, they're easy to cheer against simply because they have an all-star line up.

i'm not a huge froome or wiggo fan, but i'm loving porte and thomas. those two are great.

A hyped line up, I say. GC guys would be Froome and possibly Porte if G Thomas keeps with the program and Kennaugh keeps doing his Hincapie imitation. I like Wiggo and it would be cool to see him podium in a classic before he mails it in and becomes Fat Bastard.

Someone to really root for is former Sky kid Joe Dombrowski. He's healthy after arterial surgery and happy with his homies at Cannondale. He's riding Catalonia and the next few days will be interesting to see if he, Dan Martin and another good clean guy Tejay can follow Froome and the rest of the evil empire in the hills. USA! USA!
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I was at the finish line in Geelong for that race. Hell of a sprint. Matthews and Degenkolb are fast bastards.

echappist wrote:
i remember we had a discussion last year regarding how the podium of the 2010 U23 road race (Matthews 1st, Degenkolb 2nd, Phinney/Boivin 3rd) was really beginning to shine. Didn't take too long for Degenkolb to bring the goods. I was really impressed by his results at Paris Roubaix last year.

also, my picks were ruefully incorrect save for the wild card pick of Degenkolb. Oh well.

also, remember to tally your results here: https://docs.google.com/...3RW2XLLB4/edit#gid=0

1 pt if one of your pick lands in top 5
1 bonus pt (on top of the above) if one of your podium lands on the podium
1 more bonus pt for picking the correct winner
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i have always found degenkolbs head bobble almost hypnotic.....GVA i another head bobbler
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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I'll keep betting Sagan. He's demonstrated more mature and savvy racing and he'll get his if he doesn't let the media pressure and that jackass owner get to him. He's super consistent and has been doing it alone for a while. Nobody is questioning Cancellara's ride yesterday.

These guys are blessed/cursed to be THAT good to even hang with the sprinters in bunch finishes. You could see Sagan sitting up a bit and being patient rather than try to outrun the field at the finish. He's thinking.

Still marveling at Paolini. Kristoff was close to popping and managed 2nd.

I don't like Sky. Don't know what it is. It might be the homer Eurosport announcers. They wet themselves every time Sky goes to the front. It might be the unusual performances.

Riis just got (partially) sacked. I somehow think a year from now we are gonna get all sorts of bio passport irregularities from Tinkoff...
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Riis just got (partially) sacked. I somehow think a year from now we are gonna get all sorts of bio passport irregularities from Tinkoff...
There's definitely something fishy going on here. It's way too early in the season to sack a DS due to lack of results; clearly this is the consequence of some power struggle internally. Maybe Sagan and Riis don't get along or something else is happening but we'll find out sooner or later.


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Publicly they are stating it was all just power struggle.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/...firm-riis-suspension
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Cobble wrote:
echappist wrote:


Riis just got (partially) sacked. I somehow think a year from now we are gonna get all sorts of bio passport irregularities from Tinkoff...
There's definitely something fishy going on here. It's way too early in the season to sack a DS due to lack of results; clearly this is the consequence of some power struggle internally. Maybe Sagan and Riis don't get along or something else is happening but we'll find out sooner or later.

Cyclingnews is saying that he stepped away to resolve his differences with Tinkof, not due to lack of results. Of course this is what their Comm Department put out so the reasons may be much different but they specifically said "It ain't the results". As far as I remember Sagan was quoted as saying that he went to Saxo in order to work with Bjarne in the first place so I'm not convinced it's friction between them either. Who knows. One thing I'm certain of, though, is that instability anywhere in the team, especially in the executive, is not a good thing for morale and racing. Even if Sagan's account is growing nice and large from the current contract.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Dwars Door Vlaanderen:


1: Terpstra
2: Boom
3: Cavendish

WC: Kwiatkowski
WC: Farrar

I'm not nearly as confident with these picks as Strade and MSR. These mid-week races are always tougher to pick.
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Can someone help me find a drive side picture of Cavendish's bike during MSR? This was the best one I could find, but I am wondering about what rings/spider/cranks he was running.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [durk onion] [ In reply to ]
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All season is has been FSA SRM with FSA chainrings, but this issue is was brought up at a local race two weeks ago after a big crash in 1/2/3 crit. The guy sprinting second wheel just went down, chain thrown on the outside, he had a venge with di2. This sparked a pretty big discussion on a local team discussion board and there were 7 separate accounts with riders on specialized bikes with chains thrown on the outside, not all were riding DI2. The discussion consensus is that it is a specialized frame specific issue causing the chain to be thrown during accelerations. There were no accounts of this happening on a sram mechanical setup, all where shimano mechanical or DI2. Not sure if anybody else has noticed this issue or not. In can be difficult to determine the root cause of issues like this.
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durk onion wrote:
Can someone help me find a drive side picture of Cavendish's bike during MSR? This was the best one I could find, but I am wondering about what rings/spider/cranks he was running.


not the bike at MSR, but i'd guess it's quite similar
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Compared to the picture I posted, he's running different rings at least.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [durk onion] [ In reply to ]
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I was thinking Farrar and Terpstra too. So just to keep it interesting, I'm going Kwiatkowski, Farrar, Gatto.

Terpstra has to be favored, though I couldn't find a bookie.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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all good picks. Farrar has done well in this race.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Cadillac: Terpstra
Steak Knives: Boom
Fired: Devolder

WC: Matti Breschel - because it's a wild card
WC2:Keisse...because he may not have another opportunity at the bigger races coming up.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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I secretly hope Terpstra takes it (aside from TK). He's a tireless worker and seems to always step up for teammates.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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I'm going to go with an Etixx Quickstep heavy prediction

1. Terpstra
2. Kwiatowski
3. Cavendish

WC Boom
WC Gatto

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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echappist wrote:

still better than my 1pt prediction. Dwars Door Vlaanderen, E3, and Gent are all on tap for this week. Deadline for picks before start of the races.

Dwars should be "fun" as it seems not so many big names will be doing it. Start list here: http://ddv.pro.p.assets.flandersclassics.be/...32198.pdf?1427055495

1st Terpstra
2nd Bo Hagen
3rd Trentin
WC Debusschere
WC Van Ashbroeck

last minute change; Jempy Drucker in for Debusschere
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Bo Hagen.
Didn't see him earlier. Dang it. He rode well in MSR.
Crazy that these guys can do that on Sunday and do this on Wednesday.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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McNulty wrote:
Bo Hagen.
Didn't see him earlier. Dang it. He rode well in MSR.
Crazy that these guys can do that on Sunday and do this on Wednesday.

Never mind the MSR/Dwars door Vlaanderen combo, how about Maciej Paterski who finished in the first group on Sunday (22nd overall) and then started in the Volta a Catalunya the next day (!) and won the first stage in a three man breakaway that put 2:40 into the peloton.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Exciting race so far (as exciting as reading the CN text feed in between spreadsheet work). Unfortunately, seems like my picks are having trouble keeping the rubber side down.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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VPN+ spanish feed should do the trick, but tunnel bear is letting me down at the moment (old version worked fine but didn't go to Espana), new version does go, but i'm not getting past authentication...
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [deludedcyclist] [ In reply to ]
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Landyachtz wrote:
WC: Kwiatkowski
WC: Farrar

I'm not nearly as confident with these picks as Strade and MSR. These mid-week races are always tougher to pick.


McNulty wrote:
I was thinking Farrar and Terpstra too. So just to keep it interesting, I'm going Kwiatkowski, Farrar, Gatto.

Terpstra has to be favored, though I couldn't find a bookie.


deludedcyclist wrote:
I'm going to go with an Etixx Quickstep heavy prediction

1. Terpstra
2. Kwiatowski

well done!
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Do I actually get points for that? I thought WC's had to be on the podium.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Landyachtz] [ In reply to ]
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Cannondale had a good day today.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Landyachtz] [ In reply to ]
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nope, just have to be in top 5. Your WC don't get any bonus points though
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Landyachtz] [ In reply to ]
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Nah, I think as long as you get names in the top 5 you're good. I was thinking Kwiato before the race but figured he crashed and would be banged up from Sunday...wrong again. Instead, my picks take huge spills :) Hope they're OK!
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Landyachtz] [ In reply to ]
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Good pick. Looks like Kwiat rode himself out of break.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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who knows where they would have gotten without him, though. Eaten up by the peloton and done. He himself would have finished in the bunch but not top-5.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Perhaps he may be the first man to win both Flanders and Liege since Michele Bartoli. He was in the break at the 2013 RvV for a long time before getting caught and dropped by Cancellara and Sagan on the final pass of the Oude Kwaremont. Then again, once upon a time Gilbert seemed to fit that mold as well, but Kwiatkowski is a much better time trialist.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Classic Lefevere on Van Baarle not taking a pull. “You know who the sports director is? It’s Andreas Klier and he never won a race in his life. And we’ve seen why. I know he was looking at the world champion but how can you win a race if you’re not reacting?”
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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lol, yeah. His whingings are quite grating. First with the botched finale at Het Nieuwsblad and now this. Klier, as many has noted, has won Gent Wevelgem
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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He sorta has a point. Kwiatkowski has one W or more than the entire Garmindale team combined. That said, Van Baarle best him to take third, have to wonder if he's thinking album what he might have done if contesting the win instead.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Serious question related to the finish at Dwars d Vlaanderen, why does Kwiatkowski keep looking backwards whining at Van Baarle when Wallays takes off and goes for the win? Why doesn't he just , I don't know shut up and pedal the damn bike if he wants to win? I don't understand it....relatively new to bike racing, btw...


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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [moneydog59] [ In reply to ]
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If he chases. He'll get out sprint. If he doesnt, he finishes second at most. Topsport took the initiative, and it's game theory from there
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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That's a red herring. He was shitting on Klier, implication being he didnt know how to win as a rider, so no surprise he doesnt know how to direct his team to a win.

What is left unsaid is Levefre himself didnt bag that many significant victories as a racer yet has directed his team to countless wins. So it was just a pissy rant more than anything else.

Besides. why should Van Barle contribute to the chase? The only way the outcome would be different were an attack by Van Barle or Kwiatkowski before the finale that forced Topsport to respond. Wallay was actually struggling going into the finish, and an attack (by either Van Barle or Kwiat) sheds a rider and make it an even sprint. Theuns could shirk, but at least then there's motivation for Van Barle to work as there was still possibility of a win.

The real reason Etixx didnt win was b/c Kwiatek contributed the most to the break even though Topsport had more representation. Then again had he not worked, the break could have been caught. Regardless, Klier's record as a racer has no bearing on any of this
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Exactly. A direct quote from van Baarle from the NOS, the Dutch news agency: "Overnemen? Ik ben niet de wereldkampioen!" I doubt this requires translating ;) I'd have liked to see Dylan win but I think in a four man sprint Theuns would have pipped him at the line anyway. When Wallays went I was like wow that is one half assed attack, which made sense given Wallays' activity the whole day, but maybe Lefevre could take some pointers from Planckaert (Topsport Vlaanderen DS), who besides having an impressive palmares, manages to produce Belgian talent year in year out, and these guys live for this time of the year, even more than the Etixx squad. So many guys go from that team onto Worldtour teams, I think last year alone they had at least 5 guys go to WT teams (Van Asbroeck, Lampaert, Vanbilsen, Van Staeyen, Wayetens, I'm sure I'm forgetting some guys). And from years before guys like Vanmarcke, Vandewalle, De Gendt, Boeckmans.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [snaaijert] [ In reply to ]
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Kwiatek was just in a crappy position. Had he chased, he would have changed the podium but not gotten on it since he would have burned out. He didn't, and he maybe had a tiny bigger chance to make the podium but still didn't. So in the split second during a race, he opted for what was probably a better choice for himself. It was going to be a Topsport guy on top no matter what so Van Baarle decided between a "maybe second" and "surely at least 3rd" and that was that.

Regarding them producing WT guys - Wallays must have said that was his goal like 5 times in the post race interview :)
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Why should he contribute? Two words: Ian Stannard.

Van Baarle put himself in a position to race for podium scraps instead of win. Kiwatkowski has the rainbow jersey because he went for it. Van Baarle has a podium nobody will remember because he didn't. If Klier counseled him to race that way then I'd tend to agree with Lefevere.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Carl Spackler wrote:
Why should he contribute? Two words: Ian Stannard.

Van Baarle put himself in a position to race for podium scraps instead of win.
Kiwatkowski has the rainbow jersey because he went for it. Van Baarle has a podium nobody will remember because he didn't. If Klier counseled him to race that way then I'd tend to agree with Lefevere.

in which case, so did Kwiatkowski. The best move from either of them is to attack before Topsport attacked. This forces Topsport to chase it down as they have two people. When both of them ceded the first attack to Topsport, Topsport gained the upper hand, and there's nothing that either could have done to change the outcome.

As Snaaijert pointed out, the attack from Wallay was a half assed attack designed to force the moves of the other rider, but the half-assedness of the attack is a moot point as it strategically changed the situations.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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E3 picks:

1: Vanmarcke
2: Cancellara
3: Stannard

WC: Stybar
WC: Sagan
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Landyachtz] [ In reply to ]
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E3

1: Cancellara
2: Vanmarcke
3: GvA
WC: Thomas
WC: Stybar
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Alright, gotta stick with my man...

E3

1. Sagan
2. Vanmarcke
3. Cancellara

WC: Stybar
WC: GvA
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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1: Cancellara
2: Vanmarcke

or

1: Vanmarcke
2: Cancellara


and everybody else :D

The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think so, why would Kwiat attack when he has the best finish kick? In that situation you have to try to dump one of the Topsport riders, not let them work together to chase you down. That's exactly what Stannard did and gapped off Boonen. When that happend it set up the finish.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Landyachtz] [ In reply to ]
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Having a really hard time picking E3.
Sagan, Stannard, FC
WC: Bennati, Stybar
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Carl Spackler wrote:
I don't think so, why would Kwiat attack when he has the best finish kick? In that situation you have to try to dump one of the Topsport riders, not let them work together to chase you down. That's exactly what Stannard did and gapped off Boonen. When that happend it set up the finish.

Kwiatek is an all-rounder/ hilly classics specialist who has one of the best finishing kicks amongst those type of riders, but he's no sprinter.

Theuns is a much better sprinter, but don't take my word for it. He just won Ronde van Drenthe from a small group and is considered to be a sprinter
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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And Boonen is typically a better sprinter than Stannard. But at the end of a long break, you never know.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Should be a good race tomorrow. I feel like it's one of those races where I want to name about ten riders to win. Anyway...

1. Degenkolb
2. Sagan
3. Cancellara

WC Thomas
WC Boom

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [deludedcyclist] [ In reply to ]
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Well you could, but only the first five names would count :p
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [deludedcyclist] [ In reply to ]
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Cancellara, Sagan, Stybar
WC- GvA, Sep
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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Crash Cancellara, looks like his wrist is a little painful. Hopefully nothing too bad.

Edit: he's out. Hopefully no broken wrist!


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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Cobble] [ In reply to ]
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Same with Boom. He had a solid spill on Wednesday too. Degenkolb apparently went down too but not sure about the extent of any damage. No video stream at work.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Cobble] [ In reply to ]
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noooooo spartacus :|

hope he is ok for flanders etc
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [coates_hbk] [ In reply to ]
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Looking grim for FC. From Cyclingnews:


  1. 14:32:58 CET
    Cancellara reportedly said as he climbed into the team car that his spring campaign is over, and he may be forced to miss Flanders and Roubaix. Let's home his condition improves in the coming days.



And in other news, the break is at 10min - assume the peleton is just distracted from all the carnage, plus a feed zone. Someone's gonna need to start chasing a little.



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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [coates_hbk] [ In reply to ]
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Also following the live text... The break has 10 minutes..... many crashes in peloton. What do you think their chances are of staying away?


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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Rick in the D] [ In reply to ]
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if fabian is out of the spring classics i will, infact, break down and cry. I have a lot of man love for fab!

10mins is a big break, rekon they could stay away now
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Rick in the D] [ In reply to ]
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Video has him riding after the crash and putting a lot of weight on his wrists, if they had a severe fracture he would have known right away (been there done that). Fair Weather Fabian (FWF) probably was frustrated and said it was over. Sadly if cycling was just like any other sport you pump them up with painkillers and boom they are back the next week.


Now with Boonen and Cancellara out that really changes the dynamic as Boonen always hits it hard early and Cancellara always closes down the key gaps. I think Sagan might have a field day.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Armstronium] [ In reply to ]
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Armstronium wrote:
Also following the live text... The break has 10 minutes..... many crashes in peloton. What do you think their chances are of staying away?
None, the peloton was also held up at a railroad crossing. 5' 37" gap now.


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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Ron_Burgundy] [ In reply to ]
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Ron_Burgundy wrote:
Video has him riding after the crash and putting a lot of weight on his wrists, if they had a severe fracture he would have known right away (been there done that). Fair Weather Fabian (FWF) probably was frustrated and said it was over. Sadly if cycling was just like any other sport you pump them up with painkillers and boom they are back the next week.


Now with Boonen and Cancellara out that really changes the dynamic as Boonen always hits it hard early and Cancellara always closes down the key gaps. I think Sagan might have a field day.

LOL - yes .... if only there were drugs in cycling. ;-)

and seriously, if Fab is out, 1 - i will be sad, and 2 - sagan, Sagan, SAGAN!!! this is what they call an opportunity.

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [dsmallwood] [ In reply to ]
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hopefully that was understood as sarcasm.

Break will be brought back.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Ron_Burgundy] [ In reply to ]
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3'33" with 77km to go. race is about to get started!


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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Cobble] [ In reply to ]
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British Eurosport is still showing snooker, so i tried to see what they'll be having on the Dutch Eurosport site. Cycling, obviously, available in both English and Dutch coverage.

Funny enough, the ads are all in English as well...

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Cobble] [ In reply to ]
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Doesn't sound good for him at the moment, Flanders 2012 all over again...
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Boonen was in that one though. This really opens it up. Perhaps Sagan's best shot at winning yet
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [coates_hbk] [ In reply to ]
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On Sporza theyre saying Cancellaras spring season is over, two small fractures in his lower back
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [snaaijert] [ In reply to ]
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Yup two broken vertebrae and out for the classics. Darn!


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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry, I meant FC crashing out on a water bottle. Bummer for him, have to think that throws much of the entire season into question.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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That is a wicked setup you're running. What's your secret? TunnelBear and simple online stream? I need this for the next couple of weeks. Steephill and Cyclingfans have done nothing for me without a VPN setup.

Re: Cancellara - big loss for him and fans of the classics in general. Sagan's chances going up, though. Now he's gotta figure out a way to deal with Terpstra, GvA, Kristoff, Degenkolb, and Sep...
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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i agree. the fan-boy in me is sad because i love watching Fab and Tomaker.

HOWEVER, you are right. this is a great chance for Sagan. i hope it comes together.
or just general craziness. the anarchy that happens when the superstars are out.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [dsmallwood] [ In reply to ]
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gutted about Fabian

does anyone have a link for a good feed? The only ones I can find have the commentary about 1 minute ahead of the video

http://www.thedeludedcyclist.wordpress.com
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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kollac wrote:
That is a wicked setup you're running. What's your secret? TunnelBear and simple online stream? I need this for the next couple of weeks. Steephill and Cyclingfans have done nothing for me without a VPN setup.

Re: Cancellara - big loss for him and fans of the classics in general. Sagan's chances going up, though. Now he's gotta figure out a way to deal with Terpstra, GvA, Kristoff, Degenkolb, and Sep...
TunnelBear (or any VPN) and Eurosport
Carl Spackler wrote:
Sorry, I meant FC crashing out on a water bottle. Bummer for him, have to think that throws much of the entire season into question.
oh s***; that's a real shame. Always scary when water bottle bounce off of wheels

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Damn, Cobble's cousin looks quite excited. So excited that he thought it's CX season and unclipped ;)
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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does having two guys in a 3 man break get me anything? ....these guys are going all in and it won't stick...dammit
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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oh i see you picked two out of the three




so did i ;)
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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gap growing; this break might stick
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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echappist wrote:
gap growing; this break might stick

I got the break AND the chase covered with my picks. Except poor FC... I'm really hoping for my boy to make the podium at least. So many "almosts" this year (and last).
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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oh..and about TunnelBear - do you have the free package or are you paying for unlimited?
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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unlimited; the free one is 1gb, maybe 40 minutes of coverage
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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I think the break will stick, they're looking good.

Do you subscribe to eurosport player then? Can you watch the races on demand afterwards?

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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wtf is sep doing?!?!

asking the car what to do when the gap is groing?!!??! weird

The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [LuisDF] [ In reply to ]
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deludedcyclist wrote:
I think the break will stick, they're looking good.

Do you subscribe to eurosport player then? Can you watch the races on demand afterwards?
i do during the season. about $10/month.

some of the Paris Nice races are on demand afterwards, and there are re-runs as well


LuisDF wrote:
wtf is sep doing?!?!

asking the car what to do when the gap is groing?!!??! weird

i don't think they are getting a time gap
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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gotta be cause now it is 40sec :-/

The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [LuisDF] [ In reply to ]
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GvA out

Gap growing out. How are Stybar and Thomas going to dispense Sagan?

Little known fact: Stybar has beaten Sagan in a sprint before in the Czech-Slovak combined championship
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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echappist wrote:
GvA out

Gap growing out. How are Stybar and Thomas going to dispense Sagan?

I don't see how...

this has sagan all over it

The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [LuisDF] [ In reply to ]
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I'm sitting at the office all hungry glued to the cyclingnews text feed. This better be worth the hunger cramps! :D
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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oh it is. Thomas should use a road furniture to launch a solo attack from 2-3 km to go

btw, where are you located? SBS (Australia) has a lot of grand tour coverages as well as some classics. You can access them if you have VPN on your phone
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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5k... Sagan or bust

The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [LuisDF] [ In reply to ]
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shit just got real! individual pursuit style!

Sagan out
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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sagan :-/

srly dude srly WTF

The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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phuk me...not worth skipping lunch to see my hero fall apart...:)

I'm in upstate NY (it's snowing at the moment) but originally from Slovakia - hence a Sagan fanboy
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [LuisDF] [ In reply to ]
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GvA goes endo and the break is complete.
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Sagan gives a new meaning to bonking.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [LuisDF] [ In reply to ]
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LuisDF wrote:
sagan :-/

srly dude srly WTF

Its going to take a few washes to get all the shit off those bed sheets.

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Next to be sacked from Team Tinkoff: Peter Sagan...
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His camouflage jersey makes alot more sense now ;) Hide from your boss...
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Not a good showing from Sagan from a tactical standpoint. Rode himself out of the break, basically.
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wtf is sep doing?!?!

asking the car what to do when the gap is groing?!!??! weird
Not asking for time, but needing his team car to get a new shoe. Clearly something got damaged when he tried to attack on the Patersberg and it was bugging him enough to need a new shoe.


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Would loved to have had a live feed of Oleg when Thomas attacked.

Will Sagan ever get back to the form he had a few years ago? His punch seems to have faded quite a bit the last few years.
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Yes Sep was in the talkshow after the race and after that attack he destroyed his right shoe plate, which was why he couldn't really respond on the Kwaremont because he couldnt get out of the saddle and apply the power properly and needed to swap his shoe from the team car.
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Rumor is Oleg is going to suspend his whole team and ride Flanders alone.... He has to be out of his mind right now lol.

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Man, real bummer no Fabs or Boonen for the 2 big ones.

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Would loved to have had a live feed of Oleg when Thomas attacked.

Will Sagan ever get back to the form he had a few years ago? His punch seems to have faded quite a bit the last few years.

When he rode away from the field at Big Bear in Tour de Cali back 5 years, it was "common knowledge" he was a juiced young man. Given the environment in the sport, the "industry standards" at the time, the fact that he's Eastern European, (yeah, it's a bias) I'm guessing the last couple of years he (and many others) have had to adjust to a new diet. Just a theory.

All that said, I'm bummed for him. He's always right there and rides his butt off. The commentators today kept saying how smooth he looked in the break. I thought he looked like he was deep in the hurt locker. But I was still surprised he popped. And so badly that I figured he's get caught and mess up my bet. Which REALLY HURTS.
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Yeah, that's sort of my suspicion as well. It's hard to tell, but he was dominating much more seasoned riders for a few years, and now appears to have lost that edge. Could be a new "diet" or could be the distractions of fame and money. Who knows. I always forget how young he actually is too. Fabian didn't win his first monument until he was 25, and didn't really start tearing legs off people in the classics until he was 29.

Edit: Another few years though and he could be the next EBH.
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to make official
http://www.trekfactoryracing.com/...gn-fabian-cancellara

sucks. I'm a sad fan.
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Or there are just a better crop of riders right now compared to a few years ago and they have learned how to race against Sagan. An interview with one of his trainers essentially stated that they have much more competition now than a few years ago and Sagan now has to go up one more level as they have reached his level.

Today looked like a classic bonk, happend to me last weekend in a road race, last big climb 2 miles from the finish and i just 100% died right as the pace picked up, could barely finish the climb and staggered in. But leading into the climb i felt great at tempo but a hard kick will quickly find out any nutritional deficits.
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I've wondered the same; he won so easily and was simply on another level. I *want* to think he was an early bloomer and contemporaries, which are many, have caught up. Degenkolb, Matthews, Phinney, Kwiatkowski, etc are all around the same age and coming into their own.

He's made a number of tactical miscalculations and no doubt teams regard him differently than those early years. He wasn't exactly beating up on TDF caliber teams at ToC or TdS either, nor did he bag a monument. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic that it's organic...
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All that said, I'm sticking with Sagan to take the Ronde, and adding Stybar to win Roubaix.
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Two performances stick out in my mind:

2013 Brabantse Pijl and pretty much all of the 2012 TdF

These were not against weak fields for sure.

I think this will be Stybar's year to potentially do the double, he's on some amazing form. The one who may spoil him is Vanmarcke. He seems to be on similar form to prior years, he just keeps having bad luck at the wrong times.
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G-Dub picks:

1: Degenkolb
2: Cavendish
3: Kristoff

WC: Greipel
WC: Sagan
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Hugely skeptical of G Thomas. Drops everyone uphill at PN, then drops the WC and Sagan yesterday. Sky is doing something. Not saying it's illegal, yet, but this just doesn't smell right.

Also, when guys like Sagan are so dominant since their teens, they never learn to race. They just crush people. Same thing in many sports. Basketball in particular. The Kentucky kids are overwhelmingly talented but many haven't really learned fundamentals because of it and will struggle with a team that is fundamentally sound- and talented of course. I see Sagan still not conserving watts and being in the wind too much. He's getting better but this is tough learning.
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the Wevelgem forecast: 49° at the start, 50° at the finish, raining throughout.

I'm betting on a puncher; a Voelker-Gilbert-esq rider. somebody with legs and smarts

Vanmarke?
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Yeah same here. I think the CIRC kind of outed sky without naming them. When they mentioned a team that abused cortisone TUEs to drop weight for the TDF I immediately thought of sky. No other team has been able to have riders drop weight, seemingly at will, so quickly without losing power.
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dsmallwood wrote:
the Wevelgem forecast: 49° at the start, 50° at the finish, raining throughout.

I'm betting on a puncher; a Voelker-Gilbert-esq rider. somebody with legs and smarts

Vanmarke?
perhaps more of a rouleur for this type of terrain, but close enough. Vanmarcke should be up there. He did well 5 years ago when the only person who beat him was Bernie Eisel. This may be the first feather to put on his cap.

A look back in the records seem to indicate that horrible conditions usually lead to smaller groups at this race

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Hugely skeptical of G Thomas. Drops everyone uphill at PN, then drops the WC and Sagan yesterday. Sky is doing something. Not saying it's illegal, yet, but this just doesn't smell right.

Also, when guys like Sagan are so dominant since their teens, they never learn to race. They just crush people. Same thing in many sports. Basketball in particular. The Kentucky kids are overwhelmingly talented but many haven't really learned fundamentals because of it and will struggle with a team that is fundamentally sound- and talented of course. I see Sagan still not conserving watts and being in the wind too much. He's getting better but this is tough learning.
I'm telling you, Sky has developed plenipotent stem cell technology. Need a climber? There's a stem cell for that helps with lipid oxidation. Need a rouleur? There's a stem cell for packing on pounds of muscle without the fat.

Jest aside, yeah, Thomas is sketchy. THough as previously alluded to, so is Sagan.


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Yeah same here. I think the CIRC kind of outed sky without naming them. When they mentioned a team that abused cortisone TUEs to drop weight for the TDF I immediately thought of sky. No other team has been able to have riders drop weight, seemingly at will, so quickly without losing power.

especially that back-dated TUE
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The one who really made me question it was wiggo last year. Goes into Roubaix talking about how much weight he put on to add power (never mind that he won the Olympic TT at his TDF winning weight) then one month later he's leaned out and crushing it up the climbs at ToC. Raises eyebrows for sure.
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G-Dub picks:

1: Degenkolb
2: Cavendish
3: Kristoff

WC: Greipel
WC: Sagan


1: Vanmarcke
2: Degenkolb
3: Sagan

WC: Bouhanni
WC: Kristoff

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Also, for those who are wondering, Eurosport does apparently have VOD for cycling coverage that lasts up to one week. This is a screenshot taken a few moments ago. Milano - San Remo is there, but not sure why it's missing two of the Catalunya stages

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Degenkolb, Stybar, Sep
WC: Demare, Kristoff
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1. Sep
2. Vandenbergh
3. Roelandts


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Landyachtz wrote:
The one who really made me question it was wiggo last year. Goes into Roubaix talking about how much weight he put on to add power (never mind that he won the Olympic TT at his TDF winning weight) then one month later he's leaned out and crushing it up the climbs at ToC. Raises eyebrows for sure.

short term power
prolly is like 5lbs up and down, heh.



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http://wp.me/pKeC5-9af

Good stuff from Tilford.
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I might give your system with eurosport player a go.

I've lost a bit of faith in Sagan for tomorrow, I'm going to leave him out but I'd love for him to prove me wrong.

1. Cavendish
2. Degenkolb
3. Viviani

WC Demare
WC Trentin

I'd be surprised if Thomas was cheating. I find all the fuss about hidden motors on bikes pretty funny. I'd love to have 100W hidden in my bike somewhere

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Sagan, degenkolb, vanmarcke. Wc's: Kristoff, stybar.

Regarding the juice discussion...I'm not too hopeful that we're watching 100% clean athletes today. Sagan may have changed his diet once he landed his big contract - if he's smart. The way he races, though, would suggest that he's not that smart. At any rate, pumped about some big races coming up...now that I've got tunnelbear:)
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GW picks:
1. Degenkolb
2. Trentin
3. Vanmarcke

Random prediction: Cavendish drops his chain again.

Beinsports is live streaming the race and showing highlights later in the day.
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Degenkolb
Viviani
Kristoff

WC: Sagan, Vanmarke
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Seriously tough racing today with 50mph winds and rain. Peleton already in multiple pieces. It's a warzone today. This race is awesome!


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Soooo. Got the tunnelbear subscription and it can't connect to anywhere in Europe....too many of us trying to watch the race?
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kollac wrote:
Soooo. Got the tunnelbear subscription and it can't connect to anywhere in Europe....too many of us trying to watch the race?

try restarting your computer. I'm connecting fine to both de Nederlands and to the UK

Cobble wrote:
Seriously tough racing today with 50mph winds and rain. Peleton already in multiple pieces. It's a warzone today. This race is awesome!


I know why you are giddy about it ;)



Though that said, may be awesome to spectate indoor, but definitely not awesome to participate.

PS. I wouldn't use the word "warzone" so lightly as they are actually commemorating the war fought on the grounds here in places such as, oh, say, Kemmelberg
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Sep can't catch a break...no pun intended...
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you able to connect now?
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Nope. Sent them a strongly worded message, haha. I'm reading the cycling news feed. So much for technology... How is it that in this day and age i still can't just buy online access to ANY sporting event? I understand exclusivity clauses for big stuff like NBA etc but it's not like I'm encroaching on some big business by trying to watch cycling in the US...
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sorry to hear that. Are you not able to connect to any of the countries? Also if you are using PC, you have to have windows defender allow exceptions to so that other programs can make changes to windows.

anyways, your boy was chasing down a small break on his own. doesn't bode well

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Trying with the iPad at the moment. About to give up and do something useful for a change:) it's not snowing out so I may get some work done.

Yeah, he races with brute power which makes it very interesting but not good for results.
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fwiw, the manual setting (going to settings -->VPN) is better than using the actual interface

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Stijn VdB is quite a shady racer. Didn't want to wait up for Stybar, so out the radio earpiece goes. When people bridged up, earpiece goes back in.
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echappist wrote:
fwiw, the manual setting (going to settings -->VPN) is better than using the actual interface

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Stijn VdB is quite a shady racer. Didn't want to wait up for Stybar, so out the radio earpiece goes. When people bridged up, earpiece goes back in.

Hopefully I figure this shit out by next weekend!

Hard to be on such a stacked classics team if you have your own ambitions
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Holy hell this is an amazing tactical race. Although why would Vandenberg take his earpiece out?

And in other news, the winner of MSR just got blown off the road. Epic.



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holy hell is right. I've paid for another upgrade to get TunnelBear to work on my PC...and AT LAST I've got a UK connection. Watching the Eurosport 2 stream. I feel like I finished a Monument, hahaha.

Roelandts can't possibly do this for another 40K right?
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of course I connect at a time when the peloton, incl. my boy, give up any hope and the race is down to a question of "will Roelandts survive this?" Soudal played this one right with Debusschere in the chase!
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gap down to about a minute; this is gripping stuff

will make for good trainer viewing
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I like Extixx' chances. Roelandts is cooked, he's coming back, and will be out the back the moment he's caught.

Then we have Terpstra going. Then Vandenbergh. Then Terpstra. Then Vandenbergh. Until one solos away. Thomas can't cover all of them.

Unless he can. :)



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Vanmarcke will attack. A la Het Nieuwsblad 2012
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Thomas is hilarious, and strong. He tried to put Vandenbergh AND Debusschere in the gutter at least a dozen times.



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he's so strong he checked himself into the gutter
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holy shit Paolini! Some legs this "sprinter" guy
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Did you hear that? Clearly that was Oleg warming up....I'm not sure I'd want to roll across the finish line 8' down if I was Peto...



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haha, I hear ya. What's up with the rest of the team, though. TInkof Saxo was supposed to be an upgrade from Cannondale but it's as if he's riding solo from half the race on every time.
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kollac wrote:
holy shit Paolini! Some legs this "sprinter" guy


not so sure it'was the legs



I don't like the team, and i'm not so sure i like him all that much, but every bike racer should aspire.to attain Paolini's level of racing acumen
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true! the escapees looked pretty strong but for some reason just let him go with no chase whatsoever.
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it has been a long time since i watched a race that exciting!

paolini was just so smart about his efforts. i thought G would roll them when they caught him and terpstra, but it was a long hard race.

love to see a guy like that win.

i hope sep is ready to go in flanders ... love watching him ... overdue for a cadillac.
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truly. That was some serious tactical stuff. I think Vanmarcke should be due something. Great for roller watching next winter (i'm hoping i'm not jinxing myself here).

and for the first time in the five rounds of prediction, only one person scored any point, and it was one single point at that. RvV is wide open.
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holy shit Paolini! Some legs this "sprinter" guy


Clearly he is in great form. He road like a mad-man at Milan San-Remo bringing Kristoff back from the brink, and almost out of the race, right through the field over the Cipressa and Poggio, and nearly got the win for the team!


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Agree with you on Paolini, he has a pretty checkered past. That aside, he fought his ass off from getting dropped to a balsy attack--have to respect his grit and determination.

What in the world was Debusschere doing, taking a page from he Valverde wheel sucking playbook? Glad he didn't make the podium.
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Thyroxin.
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Carl Spackler wrote:
Agree with you on Paolini, he has a pretty checkered past. That aside, he fought his ass off from getting dropped to a balsy attack--have to respect his grit and determination.

What in the world was Debusschere doing, taking a page from he Valverde wheel sucking playbook? Glad he didn't make the podium.

exactly. that right there is two decades worth of wisdom. Pretty textbook stuff insofar as strategy is concerned.

as for Debusschere, i would cut him some slack simply b/c this was a long, arduous break for him, albeit one in which he had an armchair ride for decent part of it.

what i don't understand is why Vanmarcke and Debusschere weren't on the wheel of Thomas/Terpstra and were instead on VdB's wheel most of the time.
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so a dude attacks from ~6k out
quickstep has two dudes
why the hell are they looking around at each other?
why is one of those dudes not pulling immediately?

apologies if this has been covered all ready, I am like a child who has just wandered into the middle of a movie



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Well it really makes sense considering the way Etixx have handled the finish of bike races the last couple of weeks ;) Terpstra's comment was that Stijn was too tired to respond, the Sporza commentators were alluding to the fact that maaaaybe Stijn really wanted to ride for his own chances. I'm not entirely sold on that as he basically carried the whole group together with Thomas and Sep until he cracked but that's also one of the only cards he can play even if he did want to go for his own chances as he has about the slowest sprint in that group.
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snaaijert wrote:
Well it really makes sense considering the way Etixx have handled the finish of bike races the last couple of weeks ;) Terpstra's comment was that Stijn was too tired to respond, the Sporza commentators were alluding to the fact that maaaaybe Stijn really wanted to ride for his own chances. I'm not entirely sold on that as he basically carried the whole group together with Thomas and Sep until he cracked but that's also one of the only cards he can play even if he did want to go for his own chances as he has about the slowest sprint in that group.

i think that's part of it. He attacked OTF when Stybar had a puncture, and doing so formed the winning break. Footage showed him taking out his ear piece when initiating the attack, presumably b/c his director is shouting at him to get back.

the other part is that they were all knackered and wanted Thomas to contribute.
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it is interesting to see the difference in team philosophies. Hire a lot of big guns, maybe you get problems like this. Big guns want to win.

Hire people who want to work as a team, you don't have this problem. But then you don't get 2+ guys in every single winning break either, haha.



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Best race of the year so far.

Etixx have to be disappointed with how they handled it again. Debusschere was frustrating to watch. He didn't do anything whilst Roelandts was ahead, then hardly worked afterwards.

Does anyone know why Sagan didn't make the front group? My coverage seemed to cut that part out.

Why don't they have stages like this in the grand tours? It would be good to see big time gaps that didn't favour climbers so much to give an all rounder a better chance of winning. I guess the huge workload of a day like that could be an issue, but it is more than a big mountain stage?

Wiggins looks in great shape to fulfil his Roubaix ambitions!

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They do sometimes throw cobbles and such in there. Arranging for that kind of wind is hard though =)

The TDF has some cobbles this year.

deludedcyclist wrote:

Why don't they have stages like this in the grand tours? It would be good to see big time gaps that didn't favour climbers so much to give an all rounder a better chance of winning. I guess the huge workload of a day like that could be an issue, but it is more than a big mountain stage?

Wiggins looks in great shape to fulfil his Roubaix ambitions!



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It's a shame they can't book the wind.

The TdF stage in 2013 where sky got left behind in the wind was brilliant

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Carl Spackler wrote:


What in the world was Debusschere doing, taking a page from he Valverde wheel sucking playbook? Glad he didn't make the podium.


Not sure I saw anyone mention this, but Debusschere was sitting in because his teammate Roellants was up the road. But even so, just trying to sit in in those conditions is hard.

FYI Private Internet Access (aka PIA) is also another good VPN option for getting Eurosport. I use it on my personal laptop to provide a secure connection when using public wifi, but I can also connect to their London POP to connect to Eurosport.
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People with up slanting power profiles always get mad at wheel suckers =)

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What in the world was Debusschere doing, taking a page from he Valverde wheel sucking playbook? Glad he didn't make the podium.

Not sure I saw anyone mention this, but Debusschere was sitting in because his teammate Roellants was up the road. But even so, just trying to sit in in those conditions is hard.



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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [deludedcyclist] [ In reply to ]
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"Does anyone know why Sagan didn't make the front group? My coverage seemed to cut that part out"


I didn't see watch Gent, but I'm guessing this is why. Kabloowee....same for Stybar maybe. Even the studs need down time.

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He was still sitting on after Roellants was long caught and Paolini attacked solo.
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Terpstra looked pretty good yesterday and was impressive to sprint for 2nd. He could be a force the next couple weeks.

TK said he got hit in the head by a flying bike. Thankfully that doesn't happen every day, and they have those ridiculous Poc glasses for eye protection.
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Debusschere was frustrating to watch. He didn't do anything whilst Roelandts was ahead, then hardly worked afterwards.

Well, "the rule" is, that when a team mate is up the road and you are in a chasing group, you should not really be contributing to the effort of the chase. You just sit at the back. Now there are all kinds of variations of this that can play-out on the road during a race. You might get a few chirps from the others, but they know that those are the informal, "rules".


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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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I just watched it. Terpstra looked good. Paolini's ride was amazing. Chasing on, attacking, pulling and then having enough to get away. Jack Bauer heaved his bike into a flooded ditch. Brutal race.
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Debusschere was frustrating to watch. He didn't do anything whilst Roelandts was ahead, then hardly worked afterwards.

Well, "the rule" is, that when a team mate is up the road and you are in a chasing group, you should not really be contributing to the effort of the chase. You just sit at the back. Now there are all kinds of variations of this that can play-out on the road during a race. You might get a few chirps from the others, but they know that those are the informal, "rules".
Well I totally get that he didn't have to work with Roelandts up the road, but even when Roelandts was caught he did nothing even though he was the fastest guy in the break. Which means he was either tired despite all the drafting he could do, or he was not willing to work for whatever reason. My guess it is was a mix of both.


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I appreciate why he wasn't working when Roelandts was out front, I just expected more from him afterwards. I guess he didn't have much left

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I appreciate why he wasn't working when Roelandts was out front, I just expected more from him afterwards. I guess he didn't have much left

It would be cool if they could have a running tally of remaining anaerobic capacity for each rider. So you could tell who was actually tired, and who was faking =)

Of course I would want no such device on me if I was racing.



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I appreciate why he wasn't working when Roelandts was out front, I just expected more from him afterwards. I guess he didn't have much left

I just think he was cooked. Had nothing left. Sure he is a fast sprinter, but after a day like that, he had no legs left.
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I think that would make for some interesting viewing.

Did anyone see this video from a few of weeks ago? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV_Hpj_3pPo
It's Sam Dumoulin in the Drôme Classic showing his power, cadence and speed as he goes to win. It would be great if this was something regularly featured on coverage

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I guess he didn't have much left

"The Rules" are one thing, and us playing arm-chair DS something else. However, if the legs are not there, they are not there! :)


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Well I totally get that he didn't have to work with Roelandts up the road, but even when Roelandts was caught he did nothing even though he was the fastest guy in the break. Which means he was either tired despite all the drafting he could do, or he was not willing to work for whatever reason. My guess it is was a mix of both.

Under the conditions they were riding much of the race, there really wasn't a lot of shelter to be found even at the back of the group he was with.
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Terpstra looked pretty good yesterday and was impressive to sprint for 2nd. He could be a force the next couple weeks.

TK said he got hit in the head by a flying bike. Thankfully that doesn't happen every day, and they have those ridiculous Poc glasses for eye protection.

Etixx-Quickstep are in a good position with Terpstra, Stybar and Vanderberg. Strangely, though, they've shown themselves to be incapable of winning when more than one of their top riders makes the front group this year. One of those three will be in the selection for sure this Sunday.

On another note, another flat performance from Sagan. Maybe he spent too much time celebrating his big contract this offseason instead of training.

Very excited for the next two Sundays. With Boonen/Cancellara being out the dynamics could go so many ways. It's going to be fun watching it all play out......unless Sky TTT off the front and crush everyone, then I will just skeptically sip my coffee in disgust :)
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Let's hope it doesn't come to that. Would be a shame to ruin a good cup of joe.
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Can't wait for Flanders and Roubaix. It will be another tense session, I'll be a nervous wreck sitting behind my computer yelling and being all stressed out. I just really hope for a strong performance by Sep ending with a win instead of 'just' (with all respect) podium. It would be well deserved for sure.


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Carl Spackler wrote:
Let's hope it doesn't come to that. Would be a shame to ruin a good cup of joe.
I'm already tired of G. Thomas and it's not even April.
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Just wait until July when he's showing GC contenders the exit on HC climbs to set up Fromport.
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Just wait until July when he's showing GC contenders the exit on HC climbs to set up Fromport.

he seem to have another gear this year... dude is a machine but what do u think sky will do with wiggo?

who are the racing for? wiggo or GT?

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who are the racing for? wiggo or GT?

In the Spring Classics or any of the big one-day races, it's never a bad idea to have multiple options. As you can see from the racing so far this year - anything can happen, to anyone, at any time. Knowing that and the many many variables that are at play, it's always amazing to me that any rider wins consistently.


Indeed, Wiggins has stated that Paris Roubaix is a goal, he did very well there last year, and the cobbles aside, his type of fitness, matches up well to what is required to do well there. However, despite ALL that, one ill-timed puncture, or mechanical can take him out of the action, so to have a second option lying in wait is never a bad idea.




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I hear u on that one but I am more curios to see what would happen if BOTH are in the final selection (ala Etixx team); I think that double strategy hasn't work that great for Etixx.

The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev
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Just looking at the odds for Roubaix Wiggins generally seems to be put as third favourite at the moment, behind Sep and Stybar. Seems a bit ridiculous.

Did anyone see this story on cycling news about Boonen? http://www.cyclingnews.com/...or-first-win-of-2015 It'd be great if he could recover for it

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It didn't work so great for Team Sky last year either, when Wiggins & Thomas were both in the final selection at Roubaix...!

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Debusschere goes 0 fer 2 today in De Panne. Again sitting on (this time with two team mates), whereas Kristoff (also with a teammate there) takes some serious pulls at the front yet still wins comfortably. That's gotta start playing tricks on him now....
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It was easy for Kristoff today. When he took some pulls you know he is strong.
It will be interesting to see him on not so smooth surface the coming weeks.
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Just looking at the odds for Roubaix Wiggins generally seems to be put as third favourite at the moment, behind Sep and Stybar. Seems a bit ridiculous.

Did anyone see this story on cycling news about Boonen? http://www.cyclingnews.com/...or-first-win-of-2015 It'd be great if he could recover for it

yep, saw that...gotta love these sponsors....all Boonen was doing was recon with his team, as he might have a few pointers...no way he's riding PR....a still healing AC separation repair (pinned) does not respond well to smashing over cobbles all day

As for Sky and Wiggo, etc. I've noticed a lot of hype and bias towards the English team/riders from Cycling News and the UK bookies, which means they're getting a lot of English money on Wiggo, Cav, etc.

That said, Sky has the #1 and 2 ranked riders in the world right now in Porte and Thomas. As everyone knows, Thomas is a master cobbles man as well as a world class climber. it's the superior Sky training and micro gains.

I'm looking for the big fade come June......
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I guess Ronde picks must be made so here goes: sticking with Sagan, Thomas, Stybar.

WC:Terpstra, Vanmarke
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i'm still waiting for a) De Panne to end and b) more concrete weather report to come out. Seems like it'll be relatively sunny and without a lot of wind

Preliminary picks would be:

Stybar, GvA, Vanmarcke

Kristoff and Thomas
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echappist wrote:
i'm still waiting for a) De Panne to end and b) more concrete weather report to come out. Seems like it'll be relatively sunny and without a lot of wind

Preliminary picks would be:

Stybar, GvA, Vanmarcke

Kristoff and Thomas
I don't think De Panne will show much because nowadays guys going for the win in Flanders don't often race in De Panne anymore.

I'm keeping it in the family again, with
1. Sep
2. Roelandts
3. Van Avermaet

A belgian sweep of the podium!


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I'll just editorialize for a while before picking, but this race is nasty and the lighter, power roller guys- Sagan, Stybar, and now the PHEENOM G. Thomas have got to be favored. Remarkable how Boonen and FC have so crushed this race in the past given that they're "bigger".
The one guy that straddles types is Terpstra. He won't power away from anyone on the kops but yet will probably be right there. Can Sep not empty his chamber on the climbs and be able to hang? I think he's proven that he can. Stinj is crushing it and will help Stybar and Terpstra. MAybe too many options?
Chavanel had a good ride recently and there's always Jil the Bear. He'll be rested. And Kristoff with the coolest looking bad man in the peleton looking after him in my name is Luca Paolini. Hell, can he win it?
Weather is a big wild card.
Going to be a hoot.
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Can't wait for Flanders and Roubaix. It will be another tense session, I'll be a nervous wreck sitting behind my computer yelling and being all stressed out. I just really hope for a strong performance by Sep ending with a win instead of 'just' (with all respect) podium. It would be well deserved for sure.

I'd love to see him win it. He just seems to be too responsible, to conscientious. Does a lot of work. Why can't he be more selfish? 😊
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McNulty wrote:
Cobble wrote:
Can't wait for Flanders and Roubaix. It will be another tense session, I'll be a nervous wreck sitting behind my computer yelling and being all stressed out. I just really hope for a strong performance by Sep ending with a win instead of 'just' (with all respect) podium. It would be well deserved for sure.

I'd love to see him win it. He just seems to be too responsible, to conscientious. Does a lot of work. Why can't he be more selfish? 😊
Because that's just not his personality. When he lost to Cancellara in the sprint in Roubaix two years ago I remember the Sporza commentators saying he should let Fabian do the work in the last few miles but he just did his equal part. That's how he's always raced and it will never change. That may cost him a few wins maybe but I don't think he would enjoy racing that way.


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the odds above the rider name are their odds currently

9/2
Sep Vanmarcke
5/1
Geraint Thomas
11/2
Peter Sagan
6/1
Alexander Kristoff
6/1
Zdenek Stybar
7/1
Greg Van Avermaet
9/1
Niki Terpstra
14/1
John Degenkolb
25/1
Lars Boom
30/1
Ian Stannard
30/1
Stijn Vandenbergh
33/1
Jurgen Roelandts
33/1
Sir Bradley Wiggins
40/1
Heinrich Haussler
40/1
Stijn Devolder
40/1
Sylvain Chavanel
50/1
Matti Breschel
60/1
Luca Paolini
66/1
Filippo Pozzato
66/1
Tony Gallopin
70/1
Jens Keukeleire
100/1
Bjorn Leukemans
100/1
Sebastian Langeveld
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Cobble wrote:
McNulty wrote:
Cobble wrote:
Can't wait for Flanders and Roubaix. It will be another tense session, I'll be a nervous wreck sitting behind my computer yelling and being all stressed out. I just really hope for a strong performance by Sep ending with a win instead of 'just' (with all respect) podium. It would be well deserved for sure.


I'd love to see him win it. He just seems to be too responsible, to conscientious. Does a lot of work. Why can't he be more selfish? 😊
Because that's just not his personality. When he lost to Cancellara in the sprint in Roubaix two years ago I remember the Sporza commentators saying he should let Fabian do the work in the last few miles but he just did his equal part. That's how he's always raced and it will never change. That may cost him a few wins maybe but I don't think he would enjoy racing that way.

he is your cousin from memory yeh? can i ask why he went to the front in that last sprint? The commentators even suggested it wasnt a wise move, and i remember they talked him up as being a better track rider and sprinter than fabian (although cancellara got him again in 2014 too)
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Another good day for Alexander Kristoff. Three in a row
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Any word on how to view Flanders legitimately? I am willing to pay but it doesn't look like there are any options outside of pirate streams.
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VPN tunnel (I use Private Internet Access) and Eurosport player subscription
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Yeah, I've got a subscription to Vypr VPN but can't get the eurosport player app. I think the app store must think I'm US based because of my credit card address so restricts me from downloading it even though I am using a Euro IP via Vypr.

Anyway, this is ridiculous. I can't believe this market is restricted for one of the biggest races of the year. Its just shortsighted from the organizers as well as all the sponsors. Specialized, Trek, etc. should demand their brand be seen legitimately in one of their most important markets.
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It is so absurd that either forces evil or extremely stupid are at work which I feel justifies viewing them non-legitimately


Uncle Arqyle wrote:
Yeah, I've got a subscription to Vypr VPN but can't get the eurosport player app. I think the app store must think I'm US based because of my credit card address so restricts me from downloading it even though I am using a Euro IP via Vypr.

Anyway, this is ridiculous. I can't believe this market is restricted for one of the biggest races of the year. Its just shortsighted from the organizers as well as all the sponsors. Specialized, Trek, etc. should demand their brand be seen legitimately in one of their most important markets.



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Yup...I pay for TunnelBear and find a stream on Cyclingfans or Steephill. I rationalize it through my mom who has a legitimate subscription to Eurosport in Europe so I kind of support the station :)
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if you have Verizon Fios, Bein Sports will be streaming, supposedly starting at 6 am EST. I am not sure if you need to pay for Bein as part of your cable. I have it included, btw.


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Eurosport does seem to accept Paypal from non-EU addresses.
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I've got no issue with pirated streams but I'm willing to pay for reliable, virus free feeds.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Uncle Arqyle] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas
Stybar
GvanAv

WC: Sep, Terpstra
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My favorite race of the year!

I will be up at 8am eastern to watch, in the past I woke up at 6 am, but not really worth it.

I wish our velogames.com league did better. It did not save my line-up for last weeks races.
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My picks:
1. Degenkolb
2. Kristoff
3. Thomas
Favorites in the mix: Sep VanMarcke or GVA
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Flanders picks:
1. Thomas
2. Terpstra
3. Stybar

I'm anticipating and looking forward to the next weekly installment of "Excuses by Etixx Quick-Step".

I'm paying Cox an extra $5 a month for their sports package which includes Beinsports. The steaming schedule shows the Tour of Flanders Part 1 at 4am Eastern and then Part 2 at 6:15am. I don't think I'll be up at that early lol.
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RVV:

1: Thomas
2: Stybar
3: Vanmarcke

WC: Kristoff
WC: Degenkolb
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I'm also gonna venture a guess:

Vanmarcke
Terpstra
Thomas
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I have only one pick:

Kristoff
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echappist wrote:
i'm still waiting for a) De Panne to end and b) more concrete weather report to come out. Seems like it'll be relatively sunny and without a lot of wind

Preliminary picks would be:

Stybar, GvA, Vanmarcke

Kristoff and Thomas


Last change.

Vanmarcke, Stybar, GvA

Roelandts and Thomas
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And I hope Damien Gaudin puts in a dig. Massive steam engine of a man.
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Thomas
Stybar
GvanAv

WC: Sep, Terpstra

I'm dumping GvA for Kristoff. Paolini can tow him right in.
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I agree with Tom Boonen regarding Kristoff. If someone attacks on the Oude Kwaremont he'll have a tough time following, and if he can hang on than nobody will want to ride with him and attacks will happen immediately on the road to the Patersberg. He wasn't in the front in E3 and also not in G-W, yes he got some easy wins at the 3-days of De Panne but that's a stage race without most of the Flanders contenders. Meaning, he's overrated for Flanders.


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Cobble wrote:
I agree with Tom Boonen regarding Kristoff. If someone attacks on the Oude Kwaremont he'll have a tough time following, and if he can hang on than nobody will want to ride with him and attacks will happen immediately on the road to the Patersberg. He wasn't in the front in E3 and also not in G-W, yes he got some easy wins at the 3-days of De Panne but that's a stage race without most of the Flanders contenders. Meaning, he's overrated for Flanders.

what's the take of Flandrien press on GvA?
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echappist wrote:
Cobble wrote:
I agree with Tom Boonen regarding Kristoff. If someone attacks on the Oude Kwaremont he'll have a tough time following, and if he can hang on than nobody will want to ride with him and attacks will happen immediately on the road to the Patersberg. He wasn't in the front in E3 and also not in G-W, yes he got some easy wins at the 3-days of De Panne but that's a stage race without most of the Flanders contenders. Meaning, he's overrated for Flanders.

what's the take of Flandrien press on GvA?
Definitely considered to be a contender though he is not mentioned as often anymore compared to a few weeks ago. Crashed a couple times and no big result in E3 or G-W, he is considered to be a contender but not top favorite. That role is for Thomas.


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Cobble wrote:
I agree with Tom Boonen regarding Kristoff. If someone attacks on the Oude Kwaremont he'll have a tough time following, and if he can hang on than nobody will want to ride with him and attacks will happen immediately on the road to the Patersberg. He wasn't in the front in E3 and also not in G-W, yes he got some easy wins at the 3-days of De Panne but that's a stage race without most of the Flanders contenders. Meaning, he's overrated for Flanders.



Totally agree, was saying this to a friend last night. The way I see it:

Thomas is the favorite, he will be too heavily marked. No one will ride with Kristoff and he won't be able to cover 10000 attacks solo. Sep won't win (gut feeling). Sagan won't win (duh). This leaves Stybar who I think will be the best sprinter who the others won't focus on trying to drop before the final. He might even be better off if his teammate Terpstra is NOT in the final group.

All this negative racing talk also MIGHT just lend itself to a larger group coming to the line, bringing Degencolb (sp?) back into the mix as possibly a guy who could take out Kristoff at the line if it stays compact… CANT WAIT FOR RACING

1) Stybar
2) Thomas
3) Sep

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Jurgen Roelandts
Sep
GVA
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sylvain wrote:
Jurgen Roelandts
Sep
GVA
I'm surprised not many others have mentioned Roelandts but he did fantastic at Gent - Wevelgem. He's definitely ready and a contender.


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Thomas
Sagan ..........
Stybar

WC Kristoff
WC Boom

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I am betting that Sagan wins this so he is not sent to Siberia by Oleg.
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Right? Even as a fan I'm losing faith. Anyway, gotta include him in my picks nevertheless:

Sagan
Stybar
Thomas

Sep
Terpstra

However this shakes out, I'm ready with a working VPN subscription and a case of Belgian beer. Should be an interesting rest of the day at the in-laws' place :D
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Arch Stanton wrote:
I am betting that Sagan wins this so he is not sent to Siberia by Oleg.



kollac wrote:
Right? Even as a fan I'm losing faith. Anyway, gotta include him in my picks nevertheless:

Sagan
Stybar
Thomas

Sep
Terpstra

i'd almost wager that he'd get popped for something should he win

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However this shakes out, I'm ready with a working VPN subscription and a case of Belgian beer. Should be an interesting rest of the day at the in-laws' place :D

just so you know, you can tunnel to Australia and watch SBS broadcast. Downside is you most likely will have to listen to Phil and Paul.

What "Belgian" stuff would you be drinking? I actually haven't drank any beer in a month or more. Perhaps i should buy a few Ommegangs for the occasion. Btw, support your local economy and Belgium and buy Ommegang. It's the schnizznit
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Rare vos? Great beer!


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yep, my fav out of their offerings, though it's really damn hard to pick a favorite. My friends and I took a trip to Cooperstown last fall and it was almost like a pilgrimage of sort as Ommegang was the brand that introduced me to Belgian styled ales and remains my favorite. I just checked my cupboard, and thankfully, there's one more 12 oz. bottle of Rare Vos left.

Good to know that it has a seal of approval from a real Flandrien. Do you happen to know how popular it is in Flanders?

What would you be drinking? Hopefully not a Juliper ;)
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Good to know that it has a seal of approval from a real Flandrien. Do you happen to know how popular it is in Flanders?

What would you be drinking? Hopefully not a Juliper ;)
I don't think it's available in Belgium and even if it would be the Belgians will likely be biased against American beer. Budweiser has done major damage to the reputation of Americans ;-) But there are many awesome Belgian style beers here and they would definitely appreciate a Rare Vos. I'll probably have something from the Great Lakes Brewery as a Clevelander :-)


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Budweiser is owned by InBev, a Belgian company, but I'm guessing they're not going to mess with that awful American formula.
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Budweiser is owned by InBev, a Belgian company, but I'm guessing they're not going to mess with that awful American formula.
This is one of these times when us belgians look down and shake our heads out of embarrassment ;-)


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been watching for a while. this ain't no Gent-Wevelgem; the weather looks lovely.


seems like a nice ride so far.
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been watching for a while. this ain't no Gent-Wevelgem; the weather looks lovely.


seems like a nice ride so far.
Yup but don't underestimate the race so far because it is constantly slowing down and accelerating after every turn, and there are so many. Especially in the peloton where guys are fighting for a good position it gets very inconsistent and exhausting.


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hmmmm ... actually, they're all in long sleeves and leggings. is it cold?
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hmmmm ... actually, they're all in long sleeves and leggings. is it cold?
When I checked the forecast a few days ago it was gonna be a high of 50 or something.


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hmmmm ... actually, they're all in long sleeves and leggings. is it cold?
When I checked the forecast a few days ago it was gonna be a high of 50 or something.

thanks. and I've always meant to compliment you on your ST name. classic!
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dsmallwood wrote:
Cobble wrote:
dsmallwood wrote:
hmmmm ... actually, they're all in long sleeves and leggings. is it cold?
When I checked the forecast a few days ago it was gonna be a high of 50 or something.

thanks. and I've always meant to compliment you on your ST name. classic!
Thanks ;-)

Back to the race with Jesse Sergent getting hit by the support car and out of the break and into an ambulance instead. Stupid incident that could have been avoided. Reminded me of this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j03obuRAHiM


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echappist wrote:
Arch Stanton wrote:
I am betting that Sagan wins this so he is not sent to Siberia by Oleg.




kollac wrote:
Right? Even as a fan I'm losing faith. Anyway, gotta include him in my picks nevertheless:

Sagan
Stybar
Thomas

Sep
Terpstra


i'd almost wager that he'd get popped for something should he win

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However this shakes out, I'm ready with a working VPN subscription and a case of Belgian beer. Should be an interesting rest of the day at the in-laws' place :D


just so you know, you can tunnel to Australia and watch SBS broadcast. Downside is you most likely will have to listen to Phil and Paul.

What "Belgian" stuff would you be drinking? I actually haven't drank any beer in a month or more. Perhaps i should buy a few Ommegangs for the occasion. Btw, support your local economy and Belgium and buy Ommegang. It's the schnizznit


I have to admit (sheepishly) that I'm sitting here with a can quasi tall-boy (14.9 oz) of Stella. I was looking for Ommegang at the grocery store yesterday but no dice. With everything we had to get done this weekend I didn't have time to visit a proper beer cave. We're too far from Cooperstown to have good coverage at all stores (I'm in the great white north just south of Montreal - it snowed again overnight and this morning). To compensate for the Belgian beer lite, I'm wearing my drunkcyclist kit which looks like a Belgian jersey! ;) Thanks for the tip on SBS - it's a better quality stream than stuff from steephill.
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HS! that's terrible! I figured it was a clip of Hoeg-er-land [sic]. wow!
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Gaudin on the front! I think he's gonna stick it!
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looks like an intermediate sprint is coming up in a grand tour stage race with all the teams setting up in trains mid-race. Sky seems eager to control even this far out
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Guys driving neutral support cars are in need of some driving lessons. Boom!


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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Cobble] [ In reply to ]
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unbelievable! Must be the weather fooling them into thinking it's a nice Sunday sightseeing drive out or something...
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haven't seen Sep all day - is he still in this? He's a pretty big dude, did he fit under that banner?;)
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Fdj look but where did shimano find the drivers - I'm guessing where I live given the stupidity
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haven't seen Sep all day - is he still in this? He's a pretty big dude, did he fit under that banner?;)
He's still there, 1/3 into the pack. Doesn't wear his usual helmet.


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Fdj look but where did shimano find the drivers - I'm guessing where I live given the stupidity

Now I know where my kid is spending his Spring Break. He's driving the neutral car.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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This is a glorious way to start off a spring Sunday. this is like the Superbowl for me. Eff American Football.

Speaking of futbol, Team U.S.A. in the World Cup gets close. Cobble, please no mentioning of the Rode Duivels.

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Good to know that it has a seal of approval from a real Flandrien. Do you happen to know how popular it is in Flanders?

What would you be drinking? Hopefully not a Juliper ;)
I don't think it's available in Belgium and even if it would be the Belgians will likely be biased against American beer. Budweiser has done major damage to the reputation of Americans ;-) But there are many awesome Belgian style beers here and they would definitely appreciate a Rare Vos. I'll probably have something from the Great Lakes Brewery as a Clevelander :-)

Cheers!


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Budweiser is owned by InBev, a Belgian company, but I'm guessing they're not going to mess with that awful American formula.

responsible for Juliper, no less


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I have to admit (sheepishly) that I'm sitting here with a can quasi tall-boy (14.9 oz) of Stella. I was looking for Ommegang at the grocery store yesterday but no dice. With everything we had to get done this weekend I didn't have time to visit a proper beer cave. We're too far from Cooperstown to have good coverage at all stores (I'm in the great white north just south of Montreal - it snowed again overnight and this morning). To compensate for the Belgian beer lite, I'm wearing my drunkcyclist kit which looks like a Belgian jersey! ;) Thanks for the tip on SBS - it's a better quality stream than stuff from steephill.
Ah, and here i thought you lived in upstate NY. Glad to with the SBS, and to boot, i think it's Brian Smith commenting as opposed to Phil and Paul
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kollac wrote:
haven't seen Sep all day - is he still in this? He's a pretty big dude, did he fit under that banner?;)
He's still there, 1/3 into the pack. Doesn't wear his usual helmet.
In first group now


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Oh I'm still in NY...just WAAAAAY upstate. Literally hour from Montreal. My neighbor is a US Customs agent, that's how close we are ;)

I don't think it's Brian Smith...Rob something and Magnus Backsteadt. Not bad, honestly. Few shoutouts to the Bauers and Hausslers but not like the Eurosport Team Sky jerkfest.
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Sounds like Farrar is in the group. Surprise, surprise.
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I'll gladly forfeit my picks for a Jack Bauer breakthrough.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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Sven Nys is commenting how good Devolder's legs are.......
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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I know - the TdF ride last year was nothing short of epic. Combined with the bike toss last weekend I like the guy even if I know nothing about him at all.
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Sounds like Farrar is in the group. Surprise, surprise.

Happy for the much maligned TF. Hope he hangs in. And while I didn't pick him, cool to see Sagan there but in stealth mode. And not bouncing around on the front.
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McNulty wrote:
Uncle Arqyle wrote:
Sounds like Farrar is in the group. Surprise, surprise.


Happy for the much maligned TF. Hope he hangs in. And while I didn't pick him, cool to see Sagan there but in stealth mode. And not bouncing around on the front.

exactly. Actually, Thomas looks a lot like Sagan usually does - in the wind a lot, staying 4th or 5th wheel back the whole time only to crack and lose it within 5K to go
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kollac wrote:
Oh I'm still in NY...just WAAAAAY upstate. Literally hour from Montreal. My neighbor is a US Customs agent, that's how close we are ;)

I don't think it's Brian Smith...Rob something and Magnus Backsteadt. Not bad, honestly. Few shoutouts to the Bauers and Hausslers but not like the Eurosport Team Sky jerkfest.

I think it's Rob Hatch.

enjoying this in the morning seems so wrong ;)

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Well it appears sporza have decided this is the move. The moto assistance is ridiculous.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone think Terpstra and Kristoff will make it?

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Landyachtz] [ In reply to ]
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30 seconds may be too much. I think they are right.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [deludedcyclist] [ In reply to ]
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Yep, this is the move. That hesitation by the chase at the top of the kwaremont sealed the deal I think.
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Boom might be an outsider for PR now, also considering his cobble with last year in the TDF.
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Uncle Arqyle wrote:
Sven Nys is commenting how good Devolder's legs are.......
well he has won it twice before! hes no fabian though :(
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [coates_hbk] [ In reply to ]
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Kristoff = beast, best man in the race and he deserved the win! I think Terpstra gambled and didnt' really stand any chance against Kristoff, I think he should have not gone in a break with him, But, it is what it is.

Disappointing race for Sep... no idea what happened but after G-W I was worried about Flanders. Hoping to learn more about what happened today.


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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Cobble] [ In reply to ]
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So he was simply not good enough, group split on the Taaienberg and he was having a rough moment. Recovered a bit and tried to get back but didn't make it. Very disappointed, as much as I think he deserves a great win I don't see him being a contender in Roubaix next week. Damn.


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Halvard wrote:
I have only one pick:


Kristoff


And I guess I was right.
Kristoff is the best right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l4Q7uJ_Npk
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Agree with you there, Etixx once again plays their cards wrong. Terpstra would have been better off to sit up and reshuffle with Stybar behind. Once Kristoff was on him the race was for second.

BMC... How many podiums will it take for them to change tactics? Pretty shocking when it goes on for years.

Sagan really needs a teammate there with him at end. He probably made the smart tactical move--saving bullets instead of going off with a better sprinter--and came up short again. Heck, if I were in his shoes I'd be womdering why Terpstra is riding with Krostoff, and figuring he sits up. Teams are doing a good job of isolating him.

What a classics campaign for Katusha: monument, classic, second at another monument, all the while putting it on seemingly stronger teams (on paper, at least). Pretty damn impressive.
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Last K with English commentators
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTNF2_cAf-Y

Last 10K
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXZArdJiyNs
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markg wrote:
VPN tunnel (I use Private Internet Access) and Eurosport player subscription
Do you get decent throughput connecting to a UK server? I wasn't able to get Tunnelbear working so I signed up for PIA but could only get about 500kbps connecting to anything in the UK. My work-around is to connect to a UK server, open up Eurosport Live and then disconnect the VPN. The connection to Eurosport stays open and the speed goes up so I get decent video quality.
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Agree with you there, Etixx once again plays their cards wrong. Terpstra would have been better off to sit up and reshuffle with Stybar behind. Once Kristoff was on him the race was for second.

BMC... How many podiums will it take for them to change tactics? Pretty shocking when it goes on for years.

Sagan really needs a teammate there with him at end. He probably made the smart tactical move--saving bullets instead of going off with a better sprinter--and came up short again. Heck, if I were in his shoes I'd be womdering why Terpstra is riding with Krostoff, and figuring he sits up. Teams are doing a good job of isolating him.

What a classics campaign for Katusha: monument, classic, second at another monument, all the while putting it on seemingly stronger teams (on paper, at least). Pretty damn impressive.

His own team is pretty good at isolating him as well, he might as well ride unattached.
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Agree with you there, Etixx once again plays their cards wrong. Terpstra would have been better off to sit up and reshuffle with Stybar behind. Once Kristoff was on him the race was for second.
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Exactly, and the thing here is also that this is exactly what Boonen said they shouldn't do (or what nobody was expected to do) just because the outcome would be exactly what happened today.


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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Cobble] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone else think that Sagan really needs to drop like 10lbs? He looks like a bear riding a tricycle at the circus
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I'm not sure I agree with you about Terpstra sitting up... Once Sagan and Van Avermaet make contact now he has two more guys to beat who are also pretty fast finishers. It would have been one thing to sit on Kristoff's wheel when Stybar and Van Avermaet were trying to come across. But that move didn't work since Stybar didn't work.

2nd is still better then 4th.




Carl Spackler wrote:
Agree with you there, Etixx once again plays their cards wrong. Terpstra would have been better off to sit up and reshuffle with Stybar behind. Once Kristoff was on him the race was for second.

BMC... How many podiums will it take for them to change tactics? Pretty shocking when it goes on for years.

Sagan really needs a teammate there with him at end. He probably made the smart tactical move--saving bullets instead of going off with a better sprinter--and came up short again. Heck, if I were in his shoes I'd be womdering why Terpstra is riding with Krostoff, and figuring he sits up. Teams are doing a good job of isolating him.

What a classics campaign for Katusha: monument, classic, second at another monument, all the while putting it on seemingly stronger teams (on paper, at least). Pretty damn impressive.
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Not to Cobble in particular - forum quirk...

Didn't see much of Wiggins. He's been very vocal in his support of Thomas this week in the press, talking up his supporting role for Thomas. I think there is obviously some jockeying for leadership for PR. It would have made as much sense for Thomas to go easier this week and contest PR next week, but That would have left a conflict. I expected to see Wiggins working a lot more visibly to foster loyalty next week in his swan song race.

Sagan needs to specialise; decide on a strength and move in that direction. He's a talented puncher: a jack of all trades, master of none. Not as fast a finisher as the pure sprinters; not an out and out climber although he's over the hills better than half the peloton. His success seemed to have been in his ability to slip away unmarked, which he never is now. He looks heavy this season; still working hard to get away, but it leaves he exhausted when his traditional rivals put in the final attack. I can't see Sagan doing much this season - nor commanding as high a pay check as this again.
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What a classics campaign for Katusha: monument, classic, second at another monument, all the while putting it on seemingly stronger teams (on paper, at least). Pretty damn impressive.

Indeed!

Kristoff & Paolini have been a two man wrecking crew, while the bigger teams with bigger horsepower, Etixx-QS in particular seem to keep fumbling the ball.

So much for SKY and Thomas today. Looked impressive for 3/4 of the race, but when, the game was really on, could not close the deal.

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I think Terpstra and Stybar had a better chance sticking together. Had Terpstra sat up as soon as it flattened out then it should regroup. Or maybe their plan was for Stybar to come across with someone else so they could pick apart a small group like Roubaix last year.

Regardless, I have a hard time believing they entered race going for 2nd, which is better than 4th for most any team other than Etixx. When he contributed with Kristoff, that's the best they were going to get.

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Well . . Kristoff said before the race, that he was just going to follow wheels and wait! Looks like he picked his last wheel well! :)


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I'm not sure I agree with you about Terpstra sitting up... Once Sagan and Van Avermaet make contact now he has two more guys to beat who are also pretty fast finishers. It would have been one thing to sit on Kristoff's wheel when Stybar and Van Avermaet were trying to come across. But that move didn't work since Stybar didn't work.

2nd is still better then 4th.
We (or at least I) wasn't talking about the end, but immediately when Terpstra and Kristoff attacked. Terpstra should have set up right away because why would you want to go into a break with a guy that's guaranteed to beat you in the sprint? When they went it was still pretty far - it was around the Hotond and from there they still had the Oude Kwaremont and Patersberg and GVA + Sagan were still in the following group. What happened is exactly what Boonen said nobody was gonna let happen because otherwise it's pretty dumb. But his team mate did it anyway.


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Lookin at Kristoffs incredible strength today, it seems he might have pulled it off solo just as well without Terpstra. The last 10-15 Km all Terpstra did was half-assed 5 sec pulls, and you could see the time diff to the chase group increased/decreased according to who was in front.
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I think it would have made sense for Etixx to have Stybar work with Thomas when they briefly went off the front on the Kwaremont. If they'd made it across they could have used their two riders to try and avoid a sprint with Kristoff. I still thought Terpstra wouldn't wait out until the sprint.

Good race but not the most exciting of the season

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I would have thought Terpstra would have attacked longer out. Terpstra is a solid time trialist while Kriistoff admittedly week in De Panne that he was poor in that disipline. Again all goes out the window after that distance on that terrain but I'm not sure why he thought he could take Kristoff in a sprint.
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Here's confidence for you. Quote from Kristoff after the race:

“In the finale he was told on the radio that he was not to work with me but I told him, ‘Come on, you’ll get second at worst and that’s still a good result.”

I was never a Kristoff fan before. He looks like the villain from a Bond movie. But that was awesome
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When Kristoff went with Terpstra I yelled No! thought for sure he was going to blow and that they'd get caught.
The way he looked, if he had stayed in and chased Terpstra with the others, he would have won anyway.
So much for him not suited for RvV.
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Cobble wrote:
We (or at least I) wasn't talking about the end, but immediately when Terpstra and Kristoff attacked. Terpstra should have set up right away because why would you want to go into a break with a guy that's guaranteed to beat you in the sprint? When they went it was still pretty far - it was around the Hotond and from there they still had the Oude Kwaremont and Patersberg and GVA + Sagan were still in the following group.


Could Terpstra been thinking he might drop Kristoff on Kwaremont or Patersberg?

Edit to add this just found on cycling news: “I felt really good and wanted to do a strong attack on the Paterberg [final climb of the day, at 13 km from the finish]. But he rode so fast that it was difficult to attack. I was able to keep up but it was hard to pass him,” Terpstra said.

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Terpstra is a solid time trialist while Kriistoff admittedly week in De Panne that he was poor in that disipline.

What he says is one thing, he had the third best time trial in De Panne. He has turned into a beast from systematic training over the years, coached by Stein Řrn.

Interesting that he rode his aero bike CF SLX, and he will even use it on the Paris-Robaux cobbles. http://www.cyclingnews.com/...canyon-aeroad-cf-slx
Aero trumps everything?
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [adktriguy46] [ In reply to ]
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That and with his hair that long, that aero helmet is more like a mohawk than anything else. http://www.cyclingnews.com/...r-of-flanders-finale
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Tringe] [ In reply to ]
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i saw that and i laughed and laughed .... carbon fibre spokes in a cobbled classic? insanity!!!

you are correct, the reality of racing is that Aero (with multi-bike team support, an infinite budget, and a checker-or-wrecker attitude) trumps everything.


that bike was set up for the win and nothing else. his granny gear was like 42-25. wthh

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [adktriguy46] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone else think that Sagan really needs to drop like 10lbs? He looks like a bear riding a tricycle at the circus

Go to his facebook that has recent pictures, he is extremely lean. In fact when i saw one with his shirt off my first thought is that he could stand to gain some weight.
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Cobble wrote:

that was quite absurd. Graeme Brown on four wheels, if you will...
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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picks for Scheldeprijs, anybody? A certain Norwegian is totally on fire at the moment
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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Looks pretty tricky to call. Would Kristoff and other Paris Roubaix hopefuls play it safe?

Does this ever end up in something other than a bunch sprint?

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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Wonder if Kristoff can possibly be recovered after the past week, he's been pretty much full gas.

Where is Kittel these days? Has he even raced yet?

I think this is one for the guys who haven't been in contention: Greipel, Viviani, Renshaw. Have a nagging suspicion Sagan could be the exception to that.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Kittel is sick....basically out for the time being. "early season virus" is what they are saying.

Kristoff is gonna be pretty heavily marked on Sunday since he is the likely lone 5-Star favorite at this point....will probably lead to a lot of negative racing. Will ne interesting to see if SKY & ETIXX race aggressively or simply mark Katusha.

I honestly am at a loss for picks on Sunday....gonna have to ponder this a bit.

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kollac wrote:
picks for Scheldeprijs, anybody? A certain Norwegian is totally on fire at the moment

travelling abroad for week+ and still need to put in a day's work (though working from home)

also need to drop my bike off at the LBS for recabling (internal routing without sleeves). Tried doing one of the derailleur cables yesterday and it was total fail... At this point $20/cable seems a mighty bargain as i'd take me 4 hours doing it...

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Wonder if Kristoff can possibly be recovered after the past week, he's been pretty much full gas.

Where is Kittel these days? Has he even raced yet?

I think this is one for the guys who haven't been in contention: Greipel, Viviani, Renshaw. Have a nagging suspicion Sagan could be the exception to that.

out with a virus
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Kittel is sick....basically out for the time being. "early season virus" is what they are saying.

Kristoff is gonna be pretty heavily marked on Sunday since he is the likely lone 5-Star favorite at this point....will probably lead to a lot of negative racing. Will ne interesting to see if SKY & ETIXX race aggressively or simply mark Katusha.

I honestly am at a loss for picks on Sunday....gonna have to ponder this a bit.

At least according to Kristoff (and as evidenced by the results), he doesn't do nearly as well in Roubaix.

I'm thinking Degenkolb, though with a race this open, a small group could clip away with 30km left and not be seen again
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To clarify, those were my picks for tomorrow, not Roubaix. That's going to require a little more thinking. Both Kristoff and Sagan seem better suited to Flanders.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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I haven't decided if I want to see Wiggo win or fail spectacularly. If he gets isolated early and wins through toughness and grit I will be happy. But if Sky do what they tried to do at Flanders (put 3-4 guys on the front to control the last 40k of the race) and it actually works, that would suck.

Hopefully Stybar gets his teeth fixed and puts the hurt on everyone. I'd love to see him win.
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With you on that, the Sky way is getting tiresome. BUT, what a fitting way for Wiggo to go out by grinding a win hardman style. Here's the thing: if he's in a small, select group with 20k to go and takes off in crosswind, who is going to catch him? If he's there, he'll be a threat.

I think Stybar is among the 2-3 best cobbles riders. He has a good finish kick and doesn't have to ride away from group like Wiggo or Terpstra. In fact, if he and Terpstra can make it to a small selection, they'll be in a pretty good position. Big if, but they've both been there when it mattered for the most part.
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Completely agree on Wiggo. If he fights it out hardman-style it will be a fitting finale for his road career. I actually do like him a lot more now than I did when he won the TdF. He seems to be more himself now. He stopped caring what people think. And I like that he's willing to try things that other people say are crazy/stupid.

I think Etixx-QS have a power struggle going on between Terpstra and Stybar. If they make the selection together, one of them will try to go early to beat the other to the punch. I think it's why Terpstra ignored the car at RVV and worked with Kristoff instead of sitting on and taking him back to the field. It will be interesting to see how that dynamic plays out.
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Carl Spackler wrote:
With you on that, the Sky way is getting tiresome. BUT, what a fitting way for Wiggo to go out by grinding a win hardman style. Here's the thing: if he's in a small, select group with 20k to go and takes off in crosswind, who is going to catch him? If he's there, he'll be a threat.

I think Stybar is among the 2-3 best cobbles riders. He has a good finish kick and doesn't have to ride away from group like Wiggo or Terpstra. In fact, if he and Terpstra can make it to a small selection, they'll be in a pretty good position. Big if, but they've both been there when it mattered for the most part.

Yup! I commented that it looked more like TdF than RVV when they crowded the front last Sunday. I'm glad it didn't work out for them at all, actually :) There's a place for that and it ain't in 1 day classics.

I don't know what Etixx can try that they haven't already this season. They have at least 3 guys who can make a selection but they'll sacrifice eachother instead of working for a team win. Opportunists have been very successful in snagging the win from them all season long. If Kristoff doesn't win this as well then I'd say there are quite a few guys who could take it.


Picks for tomorrow to come later...
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Good point on Etixx. I read Terpstra's comments thinking he'd be able to ride clear on one of the remaining climbs, but Kristoff hit them with a tempo that killed the idea. Why he continued to work with him is a mystery to me, I mean that sprint was a joke. You'd think someone with Terpstra's experience would be able to sense how strong their break companion is and know when to stop helping the other guy to finish line. Who knows, I imagine the "what if" would be intoxicating.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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For Roubaix I have only one pick.

Alexander Kristoff

He is a grinder best at long races.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Landyachtz] [ In reply to ]
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Landyachtz wrote:
I haven't decided if I want to see Wiggo win or fail spectacularly. If he gets isolated early and wins through toughness and grit I will be happy. But if Sky do what they tried to do at Flanders (put 3-4 guys on the front to control the last 40k of the race) and it actually works, that would suck.

Hopefully Stybar gets his teeth fixed and puts the hurt on everyone. I'd love to see him win.

from first hand experience, it probably won't be fixed until some times down the road. He lost his teeth and needed dental implants. When the implants go in, a temporary bridge is put in while the real, permanent bridge is being made. The process for the latter could take months. I had my temporary bridge fell out 3-4 weeks after they were put in, and i wasn't riding on cobbles.

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Completely agree on Wiggo. If he fights it out hardman-style it will be a fitting finale for his road career. I actually do like him a lot more now than I did when he won the TdF. He seems to be more himself now. He stopped caring what people think. And I like that he's willing to try things that other people say are crazy/stupid.

I think Etixx-QS have a power struggle going on between Terpstra and Stybar. If they make the selection together, one of them will try to go early to beat the other to the punch. I think it's why Terpstra ignored the car at RVV and worked with Kristoff instead of sitting on and taking him back to the field. It will be interesting to see how that dynamic plays out.

is there any indication that it happened? would put the insubordination of VdB in a whole new light...
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I've come to like Wiggo too. Seems like more of a bloke than a prima donna.

The whole Sky at the front thing is a big zzzzzzzzzz. It matters when you've got guys like Kennaugh and "G" (as the suck up English commentators refer to him) are crushing the rest of the world up a long climb. But on the flats, for one day, it pretty much allows for a lot of sitting on. It's not like they're really making the race that much harder most of the time.

Paolini should be pretty fresh from RvV and there doesn't seem to be any drama between him and Kristoff. Both are being pros. Paolini is a smart dude.

I'm really pulling for Sagan. All this no monument talk is true, per se, but he rides his ass off and is almost always in the money and he'll get his and when he does it will be great. He's doing some growing up under a very harsh spotlight. I'd like to see him smiling and grabbing booty on a podium soon.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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I'd like Sagan to win. I'd like Stybar to win. I'd like Wiggo to win in a certain manner. I've got issues...
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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I'll cheer for Sagan when he's shown he's actually grown up. I look at the way he handled himself when he was younger vs someone like Taylor Phinney, and it's massive. Taylor still acted young, but he showed class. He was just quirky, and he still is (a big part of why I like him as a person/rider) He wasn't pinching girls asses on the podium, or being photographed wearing completely inappropriate (and wholly uncreative) t-shirts (I'm at work or I'd post the picture, just google "Peter Sagan t-shirt" it's the first image). Sagan sort of took winning for granted so much during his first few years as a pro, that I'm fine watching him struggle a bit. And, as we talked about previously in this thread, I think he's been coming "back to earth" the last two seasons from being on something undetectable 2013 and prior. Time will tell on that one.
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total noob question but what the hell happened to Stybars mouth? I just hope for shat weather so everyone gets coated in a nice layer of Belgian toothpaste
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talking head wrote:
total noob question but what the hell happened to Stybars mouth?

This: https://vimeo.com/103453321

He apparently had to take his false teeth out during Flanders because they rattled loose.
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Not many 23 year old men act very grown up...especially pro athletes who've never had a real job or responsibilities. Of course I'm biased in his favor. I don't deny that his performances 2 years ago and before we're suspicious either. But then there are still plenty of unusual performances today. Anyway, picks for tomorrow:

Greipel
Kristoff
Renshaw

Viviani
Sagan
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I've come to like Wiggo too. Seems like more of a bloke than a prima donna.

The whole Sky at the front thing is a big zzzzzzzzzz. It matters when you've got guys like Kennaugh and "G" (as the suck up English commentators refer to him) are crushing the rest of the world up a long climb. But on the flats, for one day, it pretty much allows for a lot of sitting on. It's not like they're really making the race that much harder most of the time.

Paolini should be pretty fresh from RvV and there doesn't seem to be any drama between him and Kristoff. Both are being pros. Paolini is a smart dude.

I'm really pulling for Sagan. All this no monument talk is true, per se, but he rides his ass off and is almost always in the money and he'll get his and when he does it will be great. He's doing some growing up under a very harsh spotlight. I'd like to see him smiling and grabbing booty on a podium soon.

I was comparing the early days of Boonen and Cancellara and in many regards Sagan age wise is more impressive than either of them. He is getting stronger each year, he no longer gets dropped on the climbs and is almost always latching on to the winning moves.
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I'd like Wiggo to win in a certain manner


It would be nice for him to exit on a winning note!


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talking head wrote:
total noob question but what the hell happened to Stybars mouth?


This: https://vimeo.com/103453321

He apparently had to take his false teeth out during Flanders because they rattled loose.
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Yikes, I liked him as a crosser gonna pull for him on the cobbles. Been enjoying the classics this year, I've never really watched them before.
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craigj532 wrote:
talking head wrote:
total noob question but what the hell happened to Stybars mouth?


This: https://vimeo.com/103453321

He apparently had to take his false teeth out during Flanders because they rattled loose.

holy crap sandwich! he ate a big mouthful of galvanized steel & tarmac on that one. Surprised he didn't break his neck given how violently he pitch-poled.
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seeing as three's 80k left, i'm going dark horse for this mid week classic and going Viviani, Farrar, and Petacchi
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Good point on Etixx. I read Terpstra's comments thinking he'd be able to ride clear on one of the remaining climbs, but Kristoff hit them with a tempo that killed the idea. Why he continued to work with him is a mystery to me, I mean that sprint was a joke. You'd think someone with Terpstra's experience would be able to sense how strong their break companion is and know when to stop helping the other guy to finish line. Who knows, I imagine the "what if" would be intoxicating.

would u like to go into a sprint finish with him, sagan, and sep?

after he went over the last climb the race was over it was second or forth... I will take second any day.

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btw: Niki, GT, Sep :D

The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev
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LuisDF wrote:
Carl Spackler wrote:
Good point on Etixx. I read Terpstra's comments thinking he'd be able to ride clear on one of the remaining climbs, but Kristoff hit them with a tempo that killed the idea. Why he continued to work with him is a mystery to me, I mean that sprint was a joke. You'd think someone with Terpstra's experience would be able to sense how strong their break companion is and know when to stop helping the other guy to finish line. Who knows, I imagine the "what if" would be intoxicating.


would u like to go into a sprint finish with him, sagan, and sep?

after he went over the last climb the race was over it was second or forth... I will take second any day.

It was Greg van Avermaet chasing with Sagan, not Sep. Sep was a good 50 positions back at the finish...

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my bad, I typed the wrong name but I now make sense cause BMC = red lol

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But your point still stands. As it is, Terpstra isn't the best of sprinters, so if he managed to distance one (Sagan) of them and another puncheur like himself, he might as well ride for second place rather than fourth. He was trying to balance staying away with saving strength, but he didn't stand a chance against Kristoff anyway. Those few short turns he took didn't really harm his non-existent chances, anyway. Kristoff knew it as well, that's why he didn't force Terpstra any more than he needed.

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [tessartype] [ In reply to ]
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My sense is that there is some form of mutual agreement that is reached, either actually discussed or assumed, by the parties when you get away in these two-up breaks late in a race where their are substantial differences in strengths. Both Kristoff and Terpstra acknowledged this after the race in post race comments.

I got away in a two up break a few years ago in a local race with, I guy who was way stronger than I was. We agreed to really drill it for about 10 minutes or so, me contributing what I could, and see where we got. We gaped the field by a couple of minutes in this time, then backed off and rode a a decent pace to the finish, where I was dusted in the sprint. I gave it a bit of an effort, but it was next to useless - I'm not going to beat the Masters Provincial Road Champ. I was happy with 2nd place. There were guys back in the main field who were much fitter stronger than me! It was my lucky day. That's road racing! :)


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Yup, one of the things I enjoy the most about road cycling - both participating and spectating. Allies of circumstance that fulfill the roles given to them, with codes and agreements that don't even need to be discussed.

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [tessartype] [ In reply to ]
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geez, that sucked.......bad, bad, crash.........i don't wanna race no mo.....
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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Geez, Kristoff is en fuego. Theuns made a pretty nice move splitting the uprights for second.

Nasty crash, I hope everyone gets up off the carpet in one piece.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [tessartype] [ In reply to ]
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Jeez....Kristoff is definitely the man on fire right now. Although I am not certain why he rode that hard with Roubaix coming up.

nasty crash in the last KM.....still waiting to see who is among the causalities.

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well $hit...I pick Kristoff to win everything from now on... Considering Greipel didn't even show I had the right guy up top...
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well $hit...I pick Kristoff to win everything from now on... Considering Greipel didn't even show I had the right guy up top...

. . . but imagine for a moment if Greipel, who was clearly on good form and with great legs at RVV, had instead of all of his other moves and attacks, just waited and then latched on the back of the Kristoff/Terpstra move?

That could have killed the move, or if it did stick and the three of them stayed away, made the complexion of the finale, now with two really strong sprinters a whole different ball game!


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Good day for Katusha....J-Rod just won the stage in Pais Vasco.

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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jeezes farking kristoff

amazing.
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Power13 wrote:
Jeez....Kristoff is definitely the man on fire right now. Although I am not certain why he rode that hard with Roubaix coming up.

Other than going from a long way out, I don't think he worked himself today. He's supernatural right now; have to believe he'll be strong again Sunday. The other guy that looked like he had a lot more gears and was totally within himself was Paolini. On and near the front he was super smooth, poised, like he had power to spare. Maybe Katusha has stolen the Sky smoothie recipe.
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Whatever they're drinking it's working like magic. I can tell you it's not bananaspinachblueberryalmond milk because all that does is clean my digestive system real quick!

He'll be top of my list despite his poor performances here in the past. It does look like they've found another gear for both Alex and Luca somehow. It'll be interesting to see who else makes the cut on Sunday for sure.
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Can't believe this thread is this far down with PR coming up on Sunday. What's everyone thinking? Can Kristoff keep romping around Belgium and northern France making everyone look silly? Can Terpstra ride away from his teammates? Will Stybar keep his teeth in? Does Sagan risk it all and top-off with whatever it takes not to bonk 1K from the finish? Can Wiggins TT the whole thing? Will GvA take a deep breath (of fresh air) and follow the decisive attack to finally win something big?

Interested in everyone's opinions, picks...
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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Race is gonna be fast this year.....forecast calls for AM showers tomorrow and then low 60's and dry on Sunday.

Gut reaction is that this helps Wiggins vs the heavier riders, but still can't see him winning it. Definite top 5 candidate.

I'm gonna go with

Cadillac: VanMarcke
Steak knives: Terpstra
Fired: Defenkolb

WC: GvA, Wiggins

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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My pick is Kristoff.

He is strong. Not sprinter strong, but endurance strong. As Kristoff has said in Norwegian media, I am not the fastest sprinter with the highest top speed, but after 260k few can sprint faster. He is a grinder and I think the other team will ruin for themselves.

But this is Roubaix so everything can happen.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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I'm a Sagan fan, but I remember the comments from last year about how he'd do better if he could just get some better support from his team. I wonder what he's thinking now?

Hoping Sagan wins, but predicting another win for Kristoff.

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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Alvin Tostig] [ In reply to ]
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1. Kristoff
2. Sagan
3. GvA

WC. Terpstra
WC. Stybar

Thinking Degenkolb or another Lotto Soudal rider could get sneaky and put themselves in a good position again. I don't see Wiggins in the top5 no matter what Sky does. They can't ride GC tactics in this race....I hope anyway.
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I've gotta put Kristoff in there but still don't see him for the win..how many times must I be proven wrong?;)

1. Terpstra
2. Kristoff
3. Boom

WC: Stybar and Tiesj Benoot.

GvA and Vanmarcke... I don't know
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I'm figuring that Kristoff can't win everything. (Or can he???)

1. Degankolb
2. Terpstra
3. Van Avermaet

I can see Wiggins just riding in a group to a top 10 finish but it would be more fun to see him go for it and try to solo to a win.

NBC Sports will be streaming live so I'm assuming it's Phil and Paul doing the commentary.
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Some random sh*t.

Kristoff is on fire and will certainly be right there. But another guy who can be right there is Paolini. PR is a power dude's race and riders that will get selected out in hillier courses won't in PR. I think Paolini falls into this category. He goes from the back to the front at will and just looks perfect. Do I have the balls to bet on him? Checking now......

Sep should be there. Terpstra certainly. GvA too.

Devolder has been riding very well.

Wiggo is a mystery. I'm guessing he'll throw down hard, much harder than he has tried so far. He seems to me to be a guy who will focus on one race and when he does, he can do a lot of damage. Swan song, a flair for the dramatic, a race for the power guys. I'd say he's going to be in the mix. Do I have the balls to bet on him? Checking now.....

I want Sagan to be in the velodrome with a chance to win it. I don't see anyone soloing away.

Stybar can ride the rocks and keeps the cadence high and will follow the big move.

Greipel looked massive in Flanders. Will he animate things again?

Who has the most team support? Ettix? Sky? Katusha? I think that's where you find your winner. Or, Sagan cobbles together yet another top 5 following random wheels.

Luck is such a big factor in PR. You stay upright and inflated and don't get caught in a big split and you're there.
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Outright
5/1
Alexander Kristoff
6/1
Zdenek Stybar
7/1
Niki Terpstra
7/1
Peter Sagan
7/1
Sep Vanmarcke
7/1
Sir Bradley Wiggins
8/1
John Degenkolb
9/1
Geraint Thomas
9/1
Lars Boom
14/1
Greg Van Avermaet
30/1
Ian Stannard
33/1
Daniel Oss
40/1
Andre Greipel
40/1
Arnaud Demare
40/1
Jurgen Roelandts
40/1
Stijn Vandenbergh
50/1
Filippo Pozzato
66/1
Stijn Devolder
70/1
Sylvain Chavanel
80/1
Luca Paolini
100/1
Jens Keukeleire
120/1
Bjorn Leukemans
120/1
Heinrich Haussler
120/1
Sebastian Langeveld
130/1
Matti Breschel
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I never thought I would say this...but I'm rooting for Wiggo. I don't like Sky and I really don't like Wiggo either...but I keep thinking that it would be pretty cool for him to win PR and give a big F U to Sky on the way out.

The best would be if he TTs away from Thomas and the other Skybots and just throws a middle finger up over his shoulder as he drops the bunch.
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I'd love to see Wiggo win in too. I think his only chance is to go long, maybe at Mons-en-Pevele and try to get a small group with him. If it's a bunch of 10 or more coming to Carrefour de l'Arbre they're just not going to give him an inch.

GvA at 30-1 is a great shout, but my money is on Kristoff (again) from a big group roll-in to Roubaix.
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Roubaix picks:

1: Degenkolb
2: Stybar
3: Wiggo

WC: Terpstra
WC: Kristoff
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I don't' get it how so many hear keep mentioning Wiggins. He has not shown anything in the classics season indicating he has a chance of winning. Say what you want about him 'wanting to win'; there's 100 other guys that want to win too and at least 20 that have been better this entire classics season.


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WC: Terpstra
WC: Kristoff

You're not allowed to pick bona fide contenders as your wildcards! Have some balls. Pozzato, Chavanel, Sagan (allowed here because he's sucked so far).
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I don't' get it how so many hear keep mentioning Wiggins. He has not shown anything in the classics season indicating he has a chance of winning. Say what you want about him 'wanting to win'; there's 100 other guys that want to win too and at least 20 that have been better this entire classics season.

Wiggo hasn't ridden a classic for himself, for the win, yet this year other than the TT in De Panne. I think he showed last year that he's capable of making the selection, and I think he's shown at De Panne that he's in form. Roubaix is a crapshoot no matter who you pick, but Wiggo certainly has the horsepower to win this race.
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Landyachtz wrote:

WC: Terpstra
WC: Kristoff


You're not allowed to pick bona fide contenders as your wildcards! Have some balls. Pozzato, Chavanel, Sagan (allowed here because he's sucked so far).

You don't get to first in the standings by picking long shots ;)
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I don't' get it how so many hear keep mentioning Wiggins. He has not shown anything in the classics season indicating he has a chance of winning. Say what you want about him 'wanting to win'; there's 100 other guys that want to win too and at least 20 that have been better this entire classics season.

Wiggo hasn't ridden a classic for himself, for the win, yet this year other than the TT in De Panne. I think he showed last year that he's capable of making the selection, and I think he's shown at De Panne that he's in form. Roubaix is a crapshoot no matter who you pick, but Wiggo certainly has the horsepower to win this race.
But he sure sucked at E3 and Gent - Wevelgem. His Tour of Flanders was 'OK' but that's already being generous; it's not like he did a ton of work there.


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I don't' get it how so many hear keep mentioning Wiggins. He has not shown anything in the classics season indicating he has a chance of winning. Say what you want about him 'wanting to win'; there's 100 other guys that want to win too and at least 20 that have been better this entire classics season.


Wiggo hasn't ridden a classic for himself, for the win, yet this year other than the TT in De Panne. I think he showed last year that he's capable of making the selection, and I think he's shown at De Panne that he's in form. Roubaix is a crapshoot no matter who you pick, but Wiggo certainly has the horsepower to win this race.
But he sure sucked at E3 and Gent - Wevelgem. His Tour of Flanders was 'OK' but that's already being generous; it's not like he did a ton of work there.

He didn't start E3 due to illness and, given the conditions and coming back from illness, I'm not surprised he didn't perform well in G-W. He crashed early in Flanders as well. Lots of factors to consider. Obviously he could easily have bad luck early on at Roubaix and never factor into the race, but I think it would be a mistake to rule him out based on his earlier classics results.
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Cobble wrote:
Landyachtz wrote:
Cobble wrote:
I don't' get it how so many hear keep mentioning Wiggins. He has not shown anything in the classics season indicating he has a chance of winning. Say what you want about him 'wanting to win'; there's 100 other guys that want to win too and at least 20 that have been better this entire classics season.


Wiggo hasn't ridden a classic for himself, for the win, yet this year other than the TT in De Panne. I think he showed last year that he's capable of making the selection, and I think he's shown at De Panne that he's in form. Roubaix is a crapshoot no matter who you pick, but Wiggo certainly has the horsepower to win this race.
But he sure sucked at E3 and Gent - Wevelgem. His Tour of Flanders was 'OK' but that's already being generous; it's not like he did a ton of work there.

He didn't start E3 due to illness and, given the conditions and coming back from illness, I'm not surprised he didn't perform well in G-W. He crashed early in Flanders as well. Lots of factors to consider. Obviously he could easily have bad luck early on at Roubaix and never factor into the race, but I think it would be a mistake to rule him out based on his earlier classics results.
87th in Flanders, 44th in Omloop, DNF in G-W and DNS in E3... I just don't get how that deserves so many nominations for the win.


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I, for one, didn't pick him;)
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1) Stybar
2) Sagan
3) Wiggo

WC: Degenkolb
WC: Vanmarcke

*edited to swap Terpstra for Degenkolb
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Jeez....how'd I space on Stybar? Revisions upcoming...

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" I just don't get how that deserves so many nominations for the win."

And he's 7 to 1 with the UK bookies so there's a bunch of UK homer money going on him. And the cameras MAY show some other riders tomorrow on Eurosport. When Sir Brad is pissing or out of the race.

Wiggins was 9th last year of course and he's been racing to build for this. If he has luck, he can be with the final grouping. But I'm not picking him.

If I were putting $10 down on 3 riders they would be: Paolini at 80 to 1, Oss at 33 to 1, and Stannard at 30 to 1.
But I'm not because gambling is a vice.

To just win: Kristoff, Stybar, Terpstra
WC: Sagan, Sep
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Jeez....how'd I space on Stybar? Revisions upcoming...
If his teeth fall out...

Stybar
Degenkolb
gva

Wiggo
Kristoff
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i'd be delighted to see wiggins win but i think the strong guys are gonna keep an eye on him. in fact i wonder if it could be like 2011 ... cancellara though obviously strongest couldn't punch away from thor and ballan till it was too late, giving a strong escape that was still in with a minute at 35k a real chance at victory, which vansummeren did beautifully.

so i can see a guy like oss, greipel, lutsenko, elmiger, bak be in an escape, with teamates who are contenders in the chase not working, and attack the break for the win.

or i can see wiggins taking sep or stybar to the line, sep/stybar beating him the sprint.

i can't see sagan being in a group that he can outsprint, and i can't see him being alone.

sep/wiggins/stybar

dark horse: greipel/boom.
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I see only Kristoff.
I'm biased though, and has seen only Kristoff for a long time.
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Race is gonna be fast this year.....forecast calls for AM showers tomorrow and then low 60's and dry on Sunday.

Gut reaction is that this helps Wiggins vs the heavier riders, but still can't see him winning it. Definite top 5 candidate.

I'm gonna go with

Cadillac: VanMarcke
Steak knives: Terpstra
Fired: Defenkolb

WC: GvA, Wiggins

OK, I'm swapping the Cadillac position for Stybar. All else remains the same.

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1. Sagan.....
2. Stybar
3. Wiggins

WC Terpstra
WC Boom

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1. Sagan
2. GVA
3. Terpstra


WC Wiggins
WC Kristoff


With Cancellara and Boonen out people will be seriously fighting as this is a very open race. I expect to see a fast race with a small three or four man group heading into the last 10k with attacks and a two-three up sprint in the velodrome. People will want it too bad for this to be a group sprint of any real significance.
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PSA - NBC Sports Extra started streaming at 6:55 am EST...


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I'm thinking the guy who avoids the neutral service car wins this thing.
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wow, you mean a non-gambling/porn/adware infested streaming method?

moneydog59 wrote:
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LOL....yes sir..morning coffee with Phil and Paul.


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I might switch back.... I like the Irish guy better

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on Eurosport, yes I agree, but I have a hard time understanding what he's saying...sounds like he's got a mouthful of marbles...


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Phil and Paul..."it's a bit like a distillery...the cream always starts to rise to the top". Hmmmm?!

And in other news, 30 guys running a train barrier and just missing a TGV. Smrt. Smart, smart, smart.



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Degenkolb has been so stealth all day. He's going to be tough to out sprint.
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BEAST
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echappist wrote:
Power13 wrote:
Jeez....how'd I space on Stybar? Revisions upcoming...
If his teeth fall out...

Stybar
Degenkolb
gva

Wiggo
Kristoff

Can I borrow your crystal ball for next weeks races?!?
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BEAST

Right? damn, what a ride. Solo bridge up to GvA / Stubar group and keeps riding. Still has enough to easily won the sprint.

Super impressive ride. Lots of tentative racing, but the last 20K was pretty damn good.

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you were close! You had all three though. someone above you had Degenkolb for first and Stybar for 2nd but missed GvA in third spot or WCs

echappist wrote:
Power13 wrote:
Jeez....how'd I space on Stybar? Revisions upcoming...

If his teeth fall out...

Stybar
Degenkolb
gva

Wiggo
Kristoff

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Thinking Degenkolb or another Lotto Soudal rider could get sneaky and put themselves in a good position again. I don't see Wiggins in the top5 no matter what Sky does. They can't ride GC tactics in this race....I hope anyway.

If only my picks reflected my theorizing. Roelands tried what I expected but failed. Degenkolb is one smart cookie, only pedals hard when he needs to...and when he does-he kills it. Podium or nowhere close. Smart smart riding on his part.
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wow, you mean a non-gambling/porn/adware infested streaming method?

Only if you have a cable subscription with NBC Sports

As has been mentioned before, VPN (Tunnelbear or Private Internet Access) + Eurosport Player also avoids the gambling/porn/adware infested streams. But it is not free... $40/year for my PIA account plus ~$7US/mo for Eurosport. Worth it to me to avoid the Phil/Paul-isms.

And the "Irish Guy" was Sean Kelly, the LAST person before Degenkolb to win M-SR and PR in the same year. Though in other races, Eurosport will replace Sean with Brian Smith as the other unintelligable color analyst.
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Did Sagan crash or just have a mechanical failure?
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Worth it to me to avoid the Phil/Paul-isms.

it's like they weren't even trying. EVERY segment was the critical segment of the race, EVERY rider wants to win PR since birth (natch), but never did they have a handle on the individual and team tactics or even what the heck was going on in the race.

I like Sean Kelly, I can understand him most of the time.

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Did Sagan crash or just have a mechanical failure?
He had a mechanical and didn't cost him much time, but he wasn't going to be a factor for a race win IMO.
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Brilliant ride. If he doesn't bridge up then one of the three wins because no way anyone's dragging Degenkolb to the front of race. Dude has some major stones, and now a big rock to go with them.
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you were close! You had all three though. someone above you had Degenkolb for first and Stybar for 2nd but missed GvA in third spot or WCs

echappist wrote:
Power13 wrote:
Jeez....how'd I space on Stybar? Revisions upcoming...

If his teeth fall out...

Stybar
Degenkolb
gva

Wiggo
Kristoff

Thanks! My closest one this year after awful outings in MSR and RvV. I thought Degenkolb would have had to watch one last attack sail by but would otherwise dust off anyone else.

Bet Alpecin sales in the moustache care dept will take off after this
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Brilliant ride. If he doesn't bridge up then one of the three wins because no way anyone's dragging Degenkolb to the front of race. Dude has some major stones, and now a big rock to go with them.

Exactly....we were watching the race while riding trainers this AM and I said to my buddy...."This is all or nothing. It works or he loses." Just a great ride and perfectly executed.

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Brilliant ride. If he doesn't bridge up then one of the three wins because no way anyone's dragging Degenkolb to the front of race. Dude has some major stones, and now a big rock to go with them.

I'm confused. Is the "he" Degenkolb? Who are "the three"?

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Degenkolb bridged up to GvA and Lampaert. I misremembered it as three.
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markg wrote:

Worth it to me to avoid the Phil/Paul-isms.


it's like they weren't even trying. EVERY segment was the critical segment of the race, EVERY rider wants to win PR since birth (natch), but never did they have a handle on the individual and team tactics or even what the heck was going on in the race.

I like Sean Kelly, I can understand him most of the time.

Yeah it's not so much the cliches and hyperbole, it's the inability to recognize riders or tactics which is their biggest shortcoming. In fairness Sherwin would probably do alright with another knowledgeable person. I'm pretty sure Phil only watches the races he calls and therefore doesn't know who 80% of the riders are, which would explain his chronic problem of identifying them.

Pretty sure they started out as guys who did voice overs of highlight videos, and they still mostly call a race like that. They've never really gotten that good at filling a few hours of air time.
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Roubaix picks:

1: Degenkolb
2: Stybar
3: Wiggo

WC: Terpstra
WC: Kristoff

So, I get 6 points for this, correct? 4 for Degenkolb and 2 for Stybar?
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Is the Eurosport player available in the US?


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With VPN I'd think so. I have it in middle east

Total clowns for messing with tgv, should be dq'd - lethal
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With VPN I'd think so. I have it in middle east

Total clowns for messing with tgv, should be dq'd - lethal

I agree, 2006 three riders were disqualified when chasing Cancellara and the precedent was established that the rule would be enforced. Once the gates are down, if you pass they should be disqualified. If it is not enforced then next year people will do the same thing, but if they are disqualified, then there is a debate about why the rule is only applied on occasion. If you have a rule then enforce it.
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I had them reversed, Degenkolb as WC and Stybar winning.

You must handily be the king of the classics.
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I think my luck may run out in the Ardennes, but I've definitely had luck on my side so far.
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With VPN I'd think so. I have it in middle east

Total clowns for messing with tgv, should be dq'd - lethal

I agree, 2006 three riders were disqualified when chasing Cancellara and the precedent was established that the rule would be enforced. Once the gates are down, if you pass they should be disqualified. If it is not enforced then next year people will do the same thing, but if they are disqualified, then there is a debate about why the rule is only applied on occasion. If you have a rule then enforce it.
Yup I believe it was that year a friend of mine (Leif Hoste) was in that group and got DQ'd.

But the rules aren't always as clear. When do you need to stop? As soon as the red light starts blinking? As soon as the bell starts? As soon as the barriers start moving? As soon as they have stopped moving? While for some it was obvious what they did was stupid (barriers completely down and still crossing) it was less obvious for others (front of the peloton).


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They missed the train by only a minute last year. I think it was the same crossing:
https://www.youtube.com/...MiNumsVc&t=42m3s

The commentator even references the DQs from 2006.
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With VPN I'd think so. I have it in middle east

Total clowns for messing with tgv, should be dq'd - lethal


I agree, 2006 three riders were disqualified when chasing Cancellara and the precedent was established that the rule would be enforced. Once the gates are down, if you pass they should be disqualified. If it is not enforced then next year people will do the same thing, but if they are disqualified, then there is a debate about why the rule is only applied on occasion. If you have a rule then enforce it.

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BP picks:

1: Gilbert
2: Gallopin
3: Chavanel

WC: Moser
WC: Bardet
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1. Gilbert
2. Mathews
3. Gallopin

WC Voeckler
WC Navardauskas

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is BP one of the ones we make picks for? Anyway, totally random selection...can't be worse than my YTD performance:

1. Bakelants
2. Chavanel
3. Lampaert

WC: Hoogerland
WC: Leukemans
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Pretty good pic by you to start this round off.

Wonder if Matthews can be the Degenkolb of Ardennes.
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Possible. But he will need better team support for this to happen (strictly talking about today). Guys like Weening will be invaluable as he was for Gerrans last year in La Doyenne, with an Albasini as a nice backup. Strong team for the Ardennes though.
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Thanks!

It's certainly possible with Matthews. I was feeling dumb yesterday for not picking him, but didn't want to go back and change my picks.

The person I'm really wondering about is Dan Martin. He's had such a quiet start to the year, but he's been on point the last two years for this week, and probably would have won LBL back-to-back if he hadn't slipped a wheel in the final corner last year. Gilbert appears to be on form at the right time. It will be an exciting week for sure.
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Tilford on the rules. I almost always like his stuff.
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Outright
10/3
Philippe Gilbert
7/2
Michal Matthews
4/1
Alejandro Valverde
11/2
Michal Kwiatkowski
12/1
Joaquim Rodriguez
12/1
Peter Sagan
15/1
Jelle Vanendert
17/1
Tom Dumoulin
20/1
Simon Gerrans
22/1
Daniel Martin
22/1
Sergio Henao
33/1
Bauke Mollema
33/1
Enrico Gasparotto
35/1
Tony Gallopin
40/1
Tim Wellens
44/1
Daniel Moreno
44/1
Tom Jelte Slagter
44/1
Zdenek Stybar
50/1
Geraint Thomas
55/1
Greg Van Avermaet
55/1
Rui Costa
66/1
Roman Kreuziger
66/1
Vincenzo Nibali
66/1
Wouter Poels




1/4 Odds Place 1,2,3
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Hmm... just looking at the start list (http://www.cyclingfever.com/...;editie_idd=MjYwNjM=) and I'm not seeing Thomas for Sky. Any idea if the oddsmaker's start list is more reliable than that one?

Also, is all the stuff that's going on with GVA going to prevent him from starting? I would've guessed that it would, but I was pretty surprised to see him ride the other classics too.
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WILLEATFORFOOD wrote:
Hmm... just looking at the start list (http://www.cyclingfever.com/...;editie_idd=MjYwNjM=) and I'm not seeing Thomas for Sky. Any idea if the oddsmaker's start list is more reliable than that one?

Also, is all the stuff that's going on with GVA going to prevent him from starting? I would've guessed that it would, but I was pretty surprised to see him ride the other classics too.

Book has Stybar riding, startlist no. I'd defer to startlist.
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McNulty wrote:
Outright
10/3
Philippe Gilbert
7/2
Michal Matthews
4/1
Alejandro Valverde
11/2
Michal Kwiatkowski
12/1
Joaquim Rodriguez
12/1
Peter Sagan
15/1
Jelle Vanendert
17/1
Tom Dumoulin
20/1
Simon Gerrans
22/1
Daniel Martin
22/1
Sergio Henao
33/1
Bauke Mollema
33/1
Enrico Gasparotto
35/1
Tony Gallopin
40/1
Tim Wellens
44/1
Daniel Moreno
44/1
Tom Jelte Slagter
44/1
Zdenek Stybar
50/1
Geraint Thomas
55/1
Greg Van Avermaet
55/1
Rui Costa
66/1
Roman Kreuziger
66/1
Vincenzo Nibali
66/1
Wouter Poels




1/4 Odds Place 1,2,3

1st to 3rd: Kwiat, Gilbert, Valverde
WC: Gallopin and Martin
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I think Kwiatkowski, Gilbert and Matthews will all get an Ardennes win. Just not sure which one.
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I've got Gilbert, Rodriguez, Matthews. Wildcards Dumoulin (Tom) and Gallopin.
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Sagan
Gilbert
Kwiatkowski

WC: Valverde, Martin

I'm thinking Peter is due. Really more hoping.
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McNulty wrote:
Sagan
Gilbert
Kwiatkowski

WC: Valverde, Martin

I'm thinking Peter is due. Really more hoping.

Sagan is definitely due, just won't happen this race because he isn't racing it. Tinkoff will have Kreuziger and Valgren as their leaders. The later of who I think will have a good result. Young gun who has all the tools for the Ardennes Classics

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Kwiatkowski, Valverde, Purito
WC: Martin, Gilbert
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swimmer04 wrote:
McNulty wrote:
Sagan
Gilbert
Kwiatkowski

WC: Valverde, Martin

I'm thinking Peter is due. Really more hoping.


Sagan is definitely due, just won't happen this race because he isn't racing it. Tinkoff will have Kreuziger and Valgren as their leaders. The later of who I think will have a good result. Young gun who has all the tools for the Ardennes Classics

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Win- Gilbert
Place-Kwiat
Show-Valverde

WC- Martin, Mollema
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my picks gilbert, mathews, kwiatkowski


I watched Gilbert and BMC fly up the Cauberg twice on friday. They make it look so easy. I also spotted Orica green edge, ettix quickstep, garmin canondale and a few other teams scouting the course.
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1. Kreuziger
2. Martin
3. Kwiatkowski

WC Vanendert
WC Dumoulin

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Valverde
Gerrans
Costa

Rodriguez
JillBear

I dunno, I just looked at the start list and picked a buncha team leaders.
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If Kreuzinger wins I hope he doesn't get too fond of the award. Maybe GVA can console him
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Carl Spackler wrote:
If Kreuzinger wins I hope he doesn't get too fond of the award. Maybe GVA can console him

The asterisk brothers.
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j.shanney wrote:
my picks gilbert, mathews, kwiatkowski


I watched Gilbert and BMC fly up the Cauberg twice on friday. They make it look so easy. I also spotted Orica green edge, ettix quickstep, garmin canondale and a few other teams scouting the course.

OGE are backing Matthews, Gerrans to ride as super domestic on his return from injury.

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I couldn't see anywhere offering bets on Kreuziger. I guess they're that confident he'll get his ban

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Orica looks good
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BMC screwed the pooch there. 3 in the final km and no one attacks? smh

couldn't think of a more worthy winner there
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Yeah. They didn't seem to have any chance in a big sprint like that. I thought Gilbert had it sewn up when he got clear originally though.

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I thought Gilbert had it sewn up when he got clear originally though.

Gilbert's move would have worked from a smaller group - where you can just over-power them, and out ride them. However, from 10-15 rider sized group, that won't work. Too many guys, sitting in waiting and waiting.


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Landyachtz wrote:
Landyachtz wrote:
Roubaix picks:

1: Degenkolb
2: Stybar
3: Wiggo

WC: Terpstra
WC: Kristoff


So, I get 6 points for this, correct? 4 for Degenkolb and 2 for Stybar?

Sorry for not responding earlier as i was abroad. 5 points. 3 for Degenkolb (being in top 5, being on podium, and a winner bonus) and 2 for Stybar


snaaijert wrote:

Can I borrow your crystal ball for next weeks races?!?

thanks for the kind words. sorry for the late response as i had bad internet connection abroad and just noticed this while doing the tally
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Is the Eurosport player available in the US?

Just realized you can also get Eurosport player on an android device (will still require VPN though). You can't get it on iOS device due to geo-restriction. That said, you really want to use an actual LAN wire with VPN as every additional bit of data will help. My stream on my Android tablet was freezing while the stream on my laptop was quite smooth
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So far I'm loving the Ardennes.

Looks like Kwiatkowski is a quick study, and learned his lesson from LBL.
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susbscribe to Privateinternetaccess - some use hola - I've not used it, then subscribe to eurosport and you have almost every UCI event going
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So far I'm loving the Ardennes.

Looks like Kwiatkowski is a quick study, and learned his lesson from LBL.

don't think he did anything wrong in the LBL. He was unfortunate and had to swing around the just-fallen Dan Martin, and Gerrans launched just before he could get back on terms.

but yeah, gutsy, savvy win
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you have to wonder what would have happened had Gilbert was also in the drops, or alternatively, Gilbert in the drops and Matthews on the hoods. May not have made a difference in the end, but may have allowed just enough of a separation.

Regardless, impressed by Matthews
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you have to wonder what would have happened had Gilbert was also in the drops, or alternatively, Gilbert in the drops and Matthews on the hoods. May not have made a difference in the end, but may have allowed just enough of a separation.

Regardless, impressed by Matthews
I'm with you on the drops v tops, but Gilbert didn't get the herd culled enough to get away.
What was up w Hermanns and GvOzone? Was VanOzone just marking Fuglsang for Gilbert? Looked like they could have gotten a gap that would have made for a hard chase, really opening things up for Gilbert. I'm so confused.
Kwiatkowski was super impressive, riding the regroup back into the spring and then winning it. Crazy good ride.
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For Fleche Wallonne

1. Dan Martin
2. Purito
3. Kwiatkowski

WC Ulissi
WC Vanendert

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No doubt, GvO was a weird situation. If they wanted to throw a feint, why not have him go all in at that point instead of/in addition to hitting it on the Cauberg. It seemed that not only did Kwiatkowski learn from that error last year but the rest of the peloton too.

I'm sticking with my prediction that Kwiatkowski, Matthews and Gilbert all get one of the Ardennes. Thinking Phil tomorrow and Matthews Sunday.
Gilbert, Martin, Purito
WC: Matthews, Valverde
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or better yet, give GvA a better lead out afterwards. He seemed to have the best sprint but started with 350m to go. WTF? GvA himself is partially to blame as he started his sprint on the leeward (LHS for the riders) side and then veered to the upwind side whereas Kwaitkowski was on the leeward side the whole time...



I think the inclusion of the penultimate climb may shake things up a bit tomorrow

for Fleche

1st-3rd: Valverde, Martin, Kwiatkowski
WC: Arredondo and Rodriguez
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Kwiatkowski showed impressive composure. Looked like he was in deep but measured the effort to now blow. If he's that together now... Peter who?
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FW picks:

1: Kwiatkowski
2: Valverde
3: Gilbert

WC: Dan Martin
WC: Nibali
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Anyone want to give Froomedog a chance? Looks like Sky is putting him on the start line for tomorrow.
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Anyone want to give Froomedog a chance? Looks like Sky is putting him on the start line for tomorrow.

No. I really think there's stuff swirling around Froomie. Even without that, this doesn't suit him.
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Valverde
Martin
Rodriguez

WC: Majka, Mollema
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With both Martin and Gilbert hobbled by crashes today, this should be the most wide-open Liege in recent memory

Also in our prediction game, we got a 2-way tie for first with third place at one point behind heading into the final classic of the spring season.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16wT4SQEW9_wB4uCMZtPsBTKAKrOHfpAWvv3RW2XLLB4/edit#gid=0
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I'm an idiot, forgot to put in any picks for today...
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Forgetting to pick for Amstel Gold killed me. Need some good picks for LBL!
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No it didnt. McNulty and I both forgot Brinantse Pijl. I had spotty internet connection and thought it wpuld be on Thursday. Wouldnt have picked the winner for sure, but i wpuld have gotten at least 2 fpr picking Gilbert on the podium, and i possibly would have picked Matthews as a wild card. So no go for your excuse
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all agreeing this has been a good spring so far? i was more than a little bummed when we lost Boonen and Cancellara but i think we are seeing the best of the new breed. and its pretty good.

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Me too, dang it! I had the podium nailed.

Kind of funny selection strategy and to try to win the season, I have to pick whoever the three ahead don't and hope to get lucky. Sort of like how I actually approach bike races these days so at least it's familiar.
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Valverde on top of the podium, whatever you think of him, is still the opposite of the best of the new generation, he's had twelve years of podium-ing.
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dsmallwood wrote:
all agreeing this has been a good spring so far? i was more than a little bummed when we lost Boonen and Cancellara but i think we are seeing the best of the new breed. and its pretty good.
i think the spring classic seasons have always been entertaining, with 2011 (3 of the monuments taken out by one-hit wonders) especially so

Carl Spackler wrote:
Me too, dang it! I had the podium nailed.

Kind of funny selection strategy and to try to win the season, I have to pick whoever the three ahead don't and hope to get lucky. Sort of like how I actually approach bike races these days so at least it's familiar.
i think you meant Brabantse Pijl. You got the top two podium positions picked correctly for Amstel.

As for Liege, how about if we all just email a fifth person our picks and have the picks made public after the race, kinda like how in World Cup group stages the last 2 matches are played simultaneous so that the result of one match will have less influence on how the other match is played?



SWoo wrote:
Valverde on top of the podium, whatever you think of him, is still the opposite of the best of the new generation, he's had twelve years of podium-ing.
just be glad he hasn't converted more podiums into victories.
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true, happier when anyone can beat him!
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I'd be in for the sealed picks. In lieu of that, if Lyachts picks first, I will go semi dark horse, or at least try to make my picks different enough to make it interesting. Take a flyer, sort of. Iow, no drafting. Well, maybe a little. Hard not to have some similarities. Great minds think alike and fools rarely differ.
LBL is a hard man's race. Tougher than Flanders?
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Check that, it's a dopers race.
Vino twice, Valverde twice, DiLuca, and, this one cracks me up, Tyler Hamilton.
Okay so Valverde has it in the bag......
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McNulty wrote:
Check that, it's a dopers race.
Vino twice, Valverde twice, DiLuca, and, this one cracks me up, Tyler Hamilton.
Okay so Valverde has it in the bag......
not that i don't agree with you, just that from Museeuw to Classicomano Luigi, de Ronde also has some shady winners

but you are right that Liege really takes the cake. From Rolf Sorenson up to Valverde in 2008, every single winner has had a shady past. The one with the least blemish, Paolo Bettini, spoke out quite a bit against anti-doping and was accused by an Italian prosecutor for tipping off riders about doping controls. Then we have Andy Schleck, that once-upon-a-time Tour Contender and 2nd place finisher at the 2007 Giro (sandwiched between dopers Diluca and Mazzolini), a rampaging Gilbert who has failed to live up to his 2011 performances, and Iglinsky.

and yet, it remains my favorite classic...
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You're right. We are talking pro cycling after all.

I'm throwing down. Sagan for Cadillac. Bubby.
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You're right. We are talking pro cycling after all.

I'm throwing down. Sagan for Cadillac. Bubby.

I'm afraid Sagan's smoothies are lacking whatever the special ingredient is this season. Is it even possible that a Russian team (formerly) headed by no less a character than Mr. 60% would not have access to the latest and greatest? Not sure but what the heck, I'll stick with my man...full picks to come when the start list is firmed up.
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kollac wrote:
McNulty wrote:
You're right. We are talking pro cycling after all.

I'm throwing down. Sagan for Cadillac. Bubby.


I'm afraid Sagan's smoothies are lacking whatever the special ingredient is this season. Is it even possible that a Russian team (formerly) headed by no less a character than Mr. 60% would not have access to the latest and greatest? Not sure but what the heck, I'll stick with my man...full picks to come when the start list is firmed up.

Sagan's story is vexing. i watched the 2012 TdF during last week's trainer time. the first week was all Sagan, Sagan, Sagan. but watching it now, as opposed to live, I can see that he has always ridden the way he does; he's always riding 4th or 5th wheel, he's always sticking his nose in the wind, and he never has a teammate with him. its just like he rides now, except now he doesn't win. so what's missing? has his window closed?
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(to show that cycling possibly isn't the only dark spot in doping) The explanation for how the Russians get around out of competition tests sounds infuriatingly plausible for their Olympic athletes.

http://www.bbc.com/...orld-europe-32405248
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So what's the deal, are we doing sealed picks? Or are we going to play chicken and see who picks first? ;)
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SWoo wrote:
(to show that cycling possibly isn't the only dark spot in doping) The explanation for how the Russians get around out of competition tests sounds infuriatingly plausible for their Olympic athletes.

http://www.bbc.com/...orld-europe-32405248

From above link:

He says this Russian swimmer explained to him how her team escaped anti-doping inspections.

"Every swimmer had a 'double' who had the same name on his or her passport. It was this double, who was based in the same hotel room…. that was tested after the event - without the officials ever noticing," he writes.
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So what's the deal, are we doing sealed picks? Or are we going to play chicken and see who picks first? ;)

well, you can change your picks up to the start of the race so it's not really playing chicken

we just need to nominate someone who will disclose the ballot after the start of the race

any volunteers?
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Ok, if I don't make some picks now I'll forget before Sunday.

LBL picks:

1: Valverde
2: Purito
3: Kwiatkowski

WC: Dan Martin
WC: Gilbert
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dsmallwood wrote:
kollac wrote:
McNulty wrote:
You're right. We are talking pro cycling after all.

I'm throwing down. Sagan for Cadillac. Bubby.


I'm afraid Sagan's smoothies are lacking whatever the special ingredient is this season. Is it even possible that a Russian team (formerly) headed by no less a character than Mr. 60% would not have access to the latest and greatest? Not sure but what the heck, I'll stick with my man...full picks to come when the start list is firmed up.


Sagan's story is vexing. i watched the 2012 TdF during last week's trainer time. the first week was all Sagan, Sagan, Sagan. but watching it now, as opposed to live, I can see that he has always ridden the way he does; he's always riding 4th or 5th wheel, he's always sticking his nose in the wind, and he never has a teammate with him. its just like he rides now, except now he doesn't win. so what's missing? has his window closed?


Are you serious? He is 25 years old and has been in contention in almost every big race this year, he is just a percent or two off. He could be overtrained, undertrained, not actually doping while others are, etc.

Edit: My point is Sagan is still young, he has a few more years to figure this out. Cancellara did not win a big one until 25-26 (Paris Roubaix 2006) and even then struggled a bit until 2010-present where he has been very dominant. Sagan needs to develop his endurance, learn to conserve energy, and he will do fine. In flanders and E3 he just blew up but had the power and placement to follow the key moves, he just needs that last percent.

Also 2012 TDF was very different than last year, people mark Sagan now and he gets no freebies.
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Ok, if I don't make some picks now I'll forget before Sunday.

LBL picks:

1: Valverde
2: Purito
3: Kwiatkowski

WC: Dan Martin
WC: Gilbert

Funny that we have the top two picks exactly the same (i can forward you a time stamped email i sent this afternoon). 3rd place and 1st wildcard are swapped as i'm still undecided on Martin and Kwiatek (currently have Martin on the podium) as i don't think Kwiat showed that he can be there with the best when the attacks start raining down. The. Again, Martin crashed and hasnt shown up well in rainy races. Losing Valverde's wheel on the descent in 2013 Lombardia comes to mind.
The other wildcard spot is currently for Wellens, though i may swap for Pozzovivo. Pozzo also apparently do 't fare well in the rain
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/aru-considers-legal-action-after-henderson-accuses-astana-rider-of-cheating

Henderson should stand his ground. Astana is dirty as hell. Aru, Nibali...they all had killer form last year and now very....just good. Sky on the other hand is riding out of their minds. In del Trentino they punished everyone. Sorry.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program.....
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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3/1
Alejandro Valverde
6/1
Michal Kwiatkowski
8/1
Joaquim Rodriguez

9/1
Daniel Martin
12/1
Vincenzo Nibali
14/1
Philippe Gilbert

20/1
Domenico Pozzovivo
22/1
Rui Costa
22/1
Simon Gerrans

23/1
Roman Kreuziger
23/1
Sergio Henao
30/1
Daniel Moreno

30/1
Tim Wellens
33/1
Bauke Mollema
33/1
Giampaolo Caruso
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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Kwiatkowski, Rodriguez, Nibali
WC: Costa, Henao (hey now!)

Had to ditch Martin and Gilbert. Both hurting. And Sagan no riding. And Vaverde I'm just eschewing.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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J-Rod, Valverde, Nibali
WC: Kwiatkowski, Martin
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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LBL
1. Martin
2. Kwiatkowski
3. Purito
WC Gallopin
WC Alaphilipe

http://www.thedeludedcyclist.wordpress.com
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [deludedcyclist] [ In reply to ]
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1. Kwiatek
2. Costa!
3. Valverde

Rodriguez
Gilbert

Some crapshoot this is.
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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echappist wrote:
Landyachtz wrote:
Ok, if I don't make some picks now I'll forget before Sunday.

LBL picks:

1: Valverde
2: Purito
3: Kwiatkowski

WC: Dan Martin
WC: Gilbert


Funny that we have the top two picks exactly the same (i can forward you a time stamped email i sent this afternoon). 3rd place and 1st wildcard are swapped as i'm still undecided on Martin and Kwiatek (currently have Martin on the podium) as i don't think Kwiat showed that he can be there with the best when the attacks start raining down. The. Again, Martin crashed and hasnt shown up well in rainy races. Losing Valverde's wheel on the descent in 2013 Lombardia comes to mind.
The other wildcard spot is currently for Wellens, though i may swap for Pozzovivo. Pozzo also apparently do 't fare well in the rain

Valverde
Rodriguez
Martin
WC: Kwiatkowski
WC: Rui Costa
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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For those that want to revise their picks: http://sporza.be/...017?playlist=7.39499
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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echappist wrote:


Valverde
Rodriguez
Martin
WC: Kwiatkowski
WC: Rui Costa

Boy...both of us picked someone who was hurt and didn't quite make it. Your remaining picks were in a more appropriate order, though! Right on!
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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thanks!

i'm somewhat bummed for Dan Martin. Oh well

deludedcyclist wrote:
LBL
1. Martin
2. Kwiatkowski
3. Purito
WC Gallopin
WC Alaphilipe
good pick there. Alaphillipe has turned out to be the revelation of the Ardenne's week

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Katusha kinda miffed the finale. Really would have liked to see Rodriguez counterattack as opposed to settle for the sprint...

now for the classics season withdraw...
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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yeah I was thinking the same for Gerrans. Crappy year for him starting last fall even.

Same thoughts on Alaphillipe! I didn't see that coming but I'm also not following quite that closely either...
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Re: 2015 Spring Classics Thread *****Spoilers***** [Ron_Burgundy] [ In reply to ]
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Ron_Burgundy wrote:
dsmallwood wrote:
kollac wrote:
McNulty wrote:
You're right. We are talking pro cycling after all.

I'm throwing down. Sagan for Cadillac. Bubby.


I'm afraid Sagan's smoothies are lacking whatever the special ingredient is this season. Is it even possible that a Russian team (formerly) headed by no less a character than Mr. 60% would not have access to the latest and greatest? Not sure but what the heck, I'll stick with my man...full picks to come when the start list is firmed up.


Sagan's story is vexing. i watched the 2012 TdF during last week's trainer time. the first week was all Sagan, Sagan, Sagan. but watching it now, as opposed to live, I can see that he has always ridden the way he does; he's always riding 4th or 5th wheel, he's always sticking his nose in the wind, and he never has a teammate with him. its just like he rides now, except now he doesn't win. so what's missing? has his window closed?


Are you serious? He is 25 years old and has been in contention in almost every big race this year, he is just a percent or two off. He could be overtrained, undertrained, not actually doping while others are, etc.

Edit: My point is Sagan is still young, he has a few more years to figure this out. Cancellara did not win a big one until 25-26 (Paris Roubaix 2006) and even then struggled a bit until 2010-present where he has been very dominant. Sagan needs to develop his endurance, learn to conserve energy, and he will do fine. In flanders and E3 he just blew up but had the power and placement to follow the key moves, he just needs that last percent.

Also 2012 TDF was very different than last year, people mark Sagan now and he gets no freebies.

like i said, his window is closing fast. LOL
http://velonews.competitor.com/...of-california_370623
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