Pretty sure DD/Brian has done a double up and down Mt Lemmon (~2500 Tucson to ~8200 at Summerhaven). That's gotta be 18k+ total. Pretty simple and do-able in under 10 hours.

ETA: Although I guess that's technically not JUST a single round trip.

can't really count that. the idea is it's got to be one ascent. this almost mandates a multisport effort. hence the idea ;-)

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Ha yea, I realized that almost as soon as I replied. But I wanted to insert a nice vicarious humblebrag for Brian so decided to leave it ;)

I think the most elevation gain would be achieved by doing road climb laps... on a fairly steep road near sea level... that allows full speed descents (ie no braking needed on turns). A tailwind on the climb would also help.

Think I could do ~30,000 ft in <24 hrs without too much trouble.

You can't just say under human power. Someone on a bike could probably get 75k pretty easy, maybe even 100k. In my town we have a ski hill that is only open on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. It is pretty popular to go skin a few runs after work, or on snowy days when they cancel work. There is a guy I know of who did 10 runs in a day, so he did probably close to 10k. The rim-to-rim-to-rim at the Grand Canyon has to be around 12k, and of course the Hardrock claims 34k of climbing, and the fastest times are around 24 hours. You would have to think under ideal road conditions a runner could climb and descend close to 50k in 24 hrs.

FWIW I couldn't find any Guinness world records for cycling elevation gain, a category that has to be ripe for the picking.

If it has to be a single round trip ... is para sailing back down allowed?

   


>LATE ADD: okay, how about orizaba, mexico, to pico de orizaba. 4000' to 18,500'. there's 14,500' available. i think that's do-able, bottom to top and back, in a day.[/quote]


Dude. Look in your backyard. Badwater: -282'. Whitney: 14,505'. Bike the Badwater Ultra course, then run the little jaunt up to the summit. Turn around and head back. And the total is quite a bit more than 14,787', as anyone who's done Badwater can tell you.

EDIT: OK, that would be hard in one day, but some variation on it might be possible.

Hi Dan,

First of all, to set the story straight, the plan this year was to just get to 10,000 feet from sea level, but Jonathan Toker and I only did 5000 feet from the saddle road at 6000 feet doing 3300 feet to the visitor center by bike and then 2000 more running the gravel road (I still owe a write up on the recce mission and we're laying down the gauntlet for those that want to try a ride to the visitor centre from sea level and a run shuffle walk to 13800 feet from there).

I have done a few loops in the Alps that added up to 15,000 feet in a day. Many do the 3xVentoux in a day which is in the range of 18000 feet. Typically L'etape du Tour cyclosportif is in the 15,000 range as they trace the queen stage of the TdF. The Marmotte which does Croix de Fer, Telegraphe, Galibier and Alpe d'Huez as a cyclosportif every year is also in the 5500m range.

I believe the fastest way to gain vertical is biking.

John McGovern has run from sea level to the summit of Mount Fuji. I'm working on an article on that run with him. That thing ends at around 14,000 feet. It may however start at around 3000 feet and not sea level. I need to find that out. This is an official race on Fuji and may in fact be the race with a single largest amount of vertical in one day by foot, although perhaps the mountaineering types can correct me.

The Lake Placid 50K XC ski loppet does 4500 feet of vertical in around 2:30 for the winners. That is a ton of climbing and descending. If you were to ski all day and aim for 150K you could get 15,000 feet, but that would be harder than any bike event I am aware of. In the past it has taken me between 2:50 and 3:10 for 50K with the 4500 feet and I was basically cripple for the next few days. It would take a giant engine to last even double that distance (having said that, the course in LP is not conducive to even pacing....it has a ton of very very short and steep climb along with some long steep climbs).

Perhaps a really fast way to gain vertical would be to do 3xKaloko from Kailua Pier. That would get you around 15,000 feet in 8-9 hours, but you just might not make it up the third time.

Dev

OK, sorry, I did not read carefully that it had to be a single ascent. Mauna Kea may be as good as it gets because it starts at sea level and ends as 13,800. If you start any higher, you're basically really suffering on elevation. There is nothing in Europe that will beat Mauna Kea, and I am not sure there is anything in continental US that would beat it without already starting around 5000 feet. Fuji beats Mauna Kea and you can bike from sea level to the 5th station at 2000m and then run/shuffle the final 2000m.

None of the tall mountains could be done in one shot here in Canada. In fact, the highest single sustained paved climb in Canada may not really be that high. The Apex mountain climb out of Penticton gains you 5000 feet in one shot out of Penticton. I am not aware of any other climb that is paved that gains you that much. Then you could run/mountain bike another 2000 feet or so.

I am sure there are some in Chile that might be pretty substantial that would allow you to start at sea level and get pretty high.

"is para sailing back down allowed?"

you'd have to parasail up. here's the rules:

1. must be under human powered locomotion. can be mechanically aided, i.e., a bicycle, and it can be wind aided i guess, if you were to count a trailing wind up a mountain. but, that's it.
2. must be net elevation gained, top to bottom, counted once. if you want to do laps, fine, but, you only get to count one of them.
3. must be round trip.
4. must be achieved in 24hr.
5. the trip down must be achieved the same way the trip up was achieved, using the same sports, the same tools. however, you could use a different "tool" on the descent. for example, if you wanted to ride down a hill using a different bike than you used to ride up, okay, but it must be a bike.

until i think up more rules, those are the rules.

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OK, I think I will be breaking your rules....my hope in the next 2 years is to swim in Kailua bay, bike to the visitor centre at 9300 feet and then run the 7 mile 4400 feet to the Mauna Kea Summit. I think the uphill leg alone would take all available daylight and plan to get a lift down the mountain.

"There is nothing in Europe that will beat Mauna Kea, and I am not sure there is anything in continental US that would beat it without already starting around 5000 feet."

i don't see the high elevation as an overcoming problem. i've gone from 7,800' to 18,000' and back, and did it in 10hr while not being in that great of shape. it's doable in 7hr. (the route i did, at least). i think orizaba to orizaba is it.

now, yes, somebody pointed out badwater to whitney and, yes, you get to ride up to about 9000' (i've done the ride from lone pine to the portal, it's hard but not overwhelming), the problem is the distance. if you started at badwater, just to lone pine is 123mi. then it's another 14mi to the portal. that's 275mi round trip, and you haven't actually climbed whitney yet ;-) so, that's a no go.

i'm saying it's orizaba. that's the most gain with the least pain.

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I think the Badwater thing is possible for someone very fit. Individuals have done the Whitney Classic in ~10 hours. Say 6 hours trail running. Then 8 hours back. Do-able.

OK I THINK you may be able to do Col de Bonnet Restefond from Nice up over 10,000 feet twice in a day using slightly different routes to meet your criteria but you'd be repeating some of the route. This climb is the single longest sustained uphill in Europe that I am aware of.

It was on the Tour de France in 2008:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttOjcBn7l8c


Galibier and Tourmalet, as well as the likes of Gavia don't get high enough and they start too high.

if you start in cordoba, mexico, about 2600 or 2700 feet, i think it's about 45 or 50 miles, more or less, one way, to parque nacional pico de orizaba. i don't know if it's paved the whole way, but, if you can get yourself up to 13,000 feet or so on the road bike, then it's another 5,500' to the summit. that's very close to 16,000', top to bottom.

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dev. bottom. pick a number. top. pick a number. that's what's countable. if you find 6 different ways to get from sea level to 3,000', that's not 18,000'. it's 3000' with a lot of extra credit.

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I believe this record has been broken, but here is documentation of 132 climbs of the Cathedral of Learning, for a Double Everest in vertical climbing. 450 feet, 36 floors, 764 steps up, elevator down repeated 132 times in 24 hours = 60,000 feet of vertical climbing in a day.

http://www.dannychew.com/CoL2everest.html

i just wonder what the record is. does anybody know? i mean, the record for low elevation to high and then back down. or, even just low to high.

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I wonder if Aconcagua or Kilimanjaro would be suitable for this? Even possibly Mt Vinson?

Look at some of the numbers put up by ultra distance cyclists. The solo course record for the Furnace Creek 508 is about 27 hours. It has about 35,000 feet of elevation. And although hard for other reasons, its not overly hilly compared to some of the double century rides in Cali that have 16-20,000 ft of climbing that get completed in about 12 hours.

Don't know if it is close to a record but there was a Kiwi MTB'er who did the Yunga's Rd (worlds most dangerous rd) from Corioco at 3,900ft to La Cumbre Pass at 15,200ft before connecting to the road to Chacaltaya Ski Lodge above La Paz at 17,400.I believe he did the 80k'ish in around 9hrs on a MTB.

I used to ride from La Paz to La Cumbre as a hard uphill TT once a week...Damned near killed me.


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When i did the Mt. Evans road race we started in Idaho Falls i think it was, maybe around 6500ft. The finish at the top of the paved road was 14k+ ft and the ride was just over a couple hours. What i don't know is if there is a much lower start point nearby, and if you could keep running up after the bike finish. Any local CO folks know the area??

Sounds like you might have to become a race director (maybe pink)

I havent checked but from the top of my head going from somewhere bellow of los andes in chile at 2600 feet altitude as far up as possible to the peak of Aconcagua should be a contender.

thats another one I thought about as you could run up a bit higher.
edit after Corico their is still a good bit of dwonhill cant rember how much but i would guess another 1500 -2000 feet.

You asshole. Now that you've got me thinking about it, not only do I think it's possible, but I want to do it. Burn in hell :)

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>You asshole. Now that you've got me thinking about it, not only do I think it's possible, but I want to do it. Burn in hell :)

Yeah, I got myself thinking about it. I was going to do just the ascent half of it a couple of years ago for my buddy's 40th birthday, but I got injured and had to drop out so it's on my unfulfilled list.

well, fuck it. when are you free?

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How about this.

Sea level to Mauna Loa summit by bike.....13500 feet. Aparently Mauna Loa is recently repaved and much less severe than Mauna Kea
Ride down to saddle road (you are back at 6000 feet).
Back up to Mauna Kea visitor center (9300 feet)
Run to Summit 13800 feet.

That would be 21300 feet.

I don't think you could do this in an entire day. Winds alone could derail the plan of getting to one summit, forget about two.

>well, fuck it. when are you free?

The best time of year would probably be Sept-Oct. You want to hit it when the mountain is clear of snow/ice, and Death Valley isn't set to thermonuclear.

I can't find any 24 hour vertical ascent record. I was able to fine the highest and lowest points in all countries:

http://www.worldatlas.com/...infopage/highlow.htm


Bolivia (6400m), Bhutan (7400m) and Chile (6900m) all have some capable low to high altitude gains. China has more than any of these, but I don't think you can get from a low enough point to Mt Everest and back in one day. I think that would also eliminate Bhutan, since their highest road only goes to 12000 feet of altitude.


The difficulty I'm having is matching roads to high places that start in low places.


These are some of the highest roads in the world:


http://www.viewfinderpanoramas.org/highestpass.html


I'd like to be able to connect more dots, but I can't. Possibly only Chile and Bolivia have the infrastructure (!) needed for this world record attempt.


Perhaps Mexico is the winner!


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Yep. Many aspects to juggle. Would like to maximize daylight, but there's usually still lots of snow in June, and then DV is going to be toasty. Further, permitting for Whitney is tough in-season.

I've been up Whitney in mid-October, and it had already snowed, and it was not a pleasant experience.

Permit season ends...what, Sep. 30? Or is it Labor Day weekend?

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Slowman wrote:

i just wonder what the record is. does anybody know? i mean, the record for low elevation to high and then back down. or, even just low to high.

Ok, so you're looking for largest altitude difference achieved in a single day under human power. That's got to come out of the Andes, probably Chile. Someone'll figure that out. There's some high peaks in the Simian Mountains of Ethiopia reachable from near sea level, but not high enough to compete with the Andes. Or, maybe these guys have the record.... :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emK-qIbuJ-k

Now, how about the record of total human powered elevation gain in a 24 hour period? I know the Double Everest stair climbing nut jobs (yes, Danny Chew, I'm talking about you!) from Pittsburgh. What other approach may have topped that?

Kilimanjaro has been ascended in less than 9 hours. That's roughly 13,000' of gain. Presumably such an athlete could run back down in maybe 6-7 hours. That would leave several hours in the day. The topography would allow someone to start a few thousand feet below the regular start, ride to the start and run from there. 15,000' of gain might be doable within 24 hours.

To do more than that, you might need a scuba start to Mauna Kea.

Rainier has been done from sea level to summit back to Paradise in about 21 hours. Perhaps someone could do the full round trip in 24 hours, giving 14,410 of elevation gain.

i think this would be a pretty cool record standard. maybe have minimum segments ride and run so that it's truly multisport, for example, at least 30 percent of the elevation has to be done off the bike. maybe have a 24hr record and a 12hr record, maybe an 8hr record, 4hr, so that you could actually have races that were possible inside of daylight.

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>Permit season ends...what, Sep. 30? Or is it Labor Day weekend?

Nov 1, it looks like, for the quota system. After that you can get day-of permits (but after Nov. 1 would be too late, probably).

I'd prefer late-summer/fall because I bike race, and I think this might be the type of thing that could jack up race performance for a month or two.

I've had a couple friends do Badwater->Whitney (mountaineers route) and back to LP a year ago October. Not all the way back to Badwater (yet). Seems like a really long day, but quite doable. I was invited but though them a bit nuts (and I was outclassed on the mountaineering skills).

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Mate,stop thinking like one of those lazy old Ironmen,there is more than 17hrs in a day..;-)

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Something about shuffling up to the Mauna Kea summit in pitch darkness is scary....but the sunrise really could be glorious!

Riding from Golden 5260 feet just outside Denver to top of Mt Evans 14,265 is 50 mile one way with over 10,000 feet of climbing depending on your route. It is not too steep.
The race from Idaho springs has only 6500 feet of climbing over 27 miles. The record is 1:41

   
Slowman, To some extent if you want one ascent, you have to look at something called topographic prominence. It is concerned with vertical height relative to its surroundings. It is the lowest contour line that surrounds the peak.

Even though Everest is the highest peak and has a highest prominence, you can't climb from the lowest contour line. In fact, I doubt anyone has round tripped Everest from base camp in a day. Base - 17,598 ft, Summit 29,028 11,430 gain.

If you are looking at prominence which can be climbed in a day, the big two are Rainier and Mauna Kea.
If you can do Rainier from sea level in a day, 14,411 ft. Mauna Kea 13,796.
My guess is for Rainier will be 13,196 ft so Mauna Kea is it.
Mt Fuji is only 12,388 ft from sea level and totally doable.

On the topographic prominence listing, Pico de Orizaba is 18,491 ft high with 16,148 for prominence. So you may be right in thinking this is your best bet.

The Kilimanjaro record was broken two years ago by Kilian Jornet, (arguably the world's greatest trail ultra runner).

From base camp at 5249' to summit at 19340', represents a climb of 13960'. Jornet ascended in 5:23, spent about 10 minutes at the summit, and descended in a phenominal 1:41 for a total time of 7:14.

As an aside, a couple of decades ago Australian mountaineer Tim MacCartney Snape did a solo ascent of Everest, starting from the Indian Ocean.

Another thought for the Mauna Loa ascents. You could add another 100' or so by starting the day with a scuba dive!

Agreed that it'll have to be a volcano to pull it off, but Slowman is right to look in other parts of the world (than just the US) for some big, but technically easy, volcanos (e.g. Popo, Ixta, Pico de Orizaba, Kilimanjaro).

How about local to you, Dan? Start at the low point in San Bernardino (~1000 ft) and go up Vivian Creek to San Gorgonio.

Or the triple crown (Baldy + Gorgonio + Jacinto) by bike and foot? No way you'd do that in 24 hours, though.

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Another (possibly) interesting aside is that last weekend in Australia was the Coast to Kosciuszko Ultramarathon. 150 miles from the beach to the summit of Mt Kosciuszko, Australia's highest mountain at a modest 7310'. Course records are 26:02 (men) and 30:11 (women).

Kilimanjaro record:

http://www.ultrarunning.com/...-speed-record-.shtml

14,000 feet up, 14,000 feet down. 33 miles

7 hours 14 minutes

Unbelievable.


Bet the guy could do it 2x in less than 24 hours so that's 28K in a day ... on foot.

... Or he could run some little 1-mile, 500-foot hill 55x or something ...

I have an interview in the works with John McGovern from his running race up Fuji. I need to find out the base altitude that they ran from, but it may already have been 2000 feet up from sea level. It is still around 10000 feet on foot in a single shot. This is the quote I have from him:

"The race was 21.1 kilometers with 3000 meters of elevation gain. This works out to an average grade of 14.2%, but it's not a steady grade, and gets wildly steep after the first 15 kilometers."


In that half marathon they finish at the 10th station at the summit, but you have to run down on your own power down 2000m (around 6600 feet) down the mountain to the 5th station from where they had busing.

i did Orizaba in one day, I have also done it in 2 days. Very doable in a single day.

During an Everest documentary they detailed a danish man (I believe he was Danish, one of the Viking countries) who Biked from his home to Everest base camp, made the summit, then biked back home.

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Thats Goran Kropp, I think he was from Norway but I could be wrong, he died a few years back in a climbing accident.

"How about local to you, Dan? Start at the low point in San Bernardino (~1000 ft) and go up Vivian Creek to San Gorgonio."

i'm not sure, but i think the most elevation in socal would be palm desert to san jacinto peak. you start at indian wells village shopping center. exactly 200' above sea level. you ride the pines to palms hwy (74) to idyllwild. you can ride your bike to 6500'. it's 45mi one way. then you climb to the summit, 10,834. so you have 10,634 vertical, and it's a 90mi round trip on the bike.

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You can ride from the town of Fuji on the coast up Fuji Skyline to 8300 ft which is about 26 miles from there you can hike to the top. It should be totally doable in a day. I'm not saying it isn't hard. Just you get more vert doing Mauna Kea.

This is the beauty of Mt Vinson: up to 24 hours of daylight available!

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What is it for Mt Vinson? It may be close enough to the Ocean to be a contender, no?

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I could be wrong, but i want to say no-go for it being a contender.


base camp is around 7,000 feet and the summit is 16,000. I think you wouldnt be able to make it in a day if you started far enough away to lose signifigant elevation....

but you do have 24 hours of daylight.

The race from Idaho springs has only 6500 feet of climbing over 27 miles. The record is 1:41 //

They must have changed the start line over the years, when i did it in 83 i think it was, we started at around 6500ft and the race was 28 miles. I think Alexi Greywall won in around a low 1;50+ or so. So we did around 7500ft+ in just over 2 hours(2;15 for me) Hardest race i have ever done, sprinting at 14k feet was no fun, and you passed out right after. Lots of 02 for the finishers though..

Hey, I thought all the three paved roads on Fuji took you to the 5th station only (around 6000 foot level) and did not realize that one of them takes you to 8600 feet.

I rode the Azami line to the 5th station a few years ago and that ancient road had the steepest pitches of road that I had been on in my life. The graph does not tell the full story because that is the average over each kilometer....the straight sections between switchbacks are more like 20+ %. Looking back at it the Azami line road to the 5th is probably very similar to Kaloko outside Kona. I got up to 87 kph between a few of those switchbacks between the 3rd and 2nd kilometer where it is a bit more straight and you can get into a nice tuck. I was trying to get past 90 kph, but a bus got in the way :-(

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The 5th stations are all different heights. I am slightly off on the height of the Fujinomiya line, it is 2500m. This route is the fastest and most direct to the summit. They recommend 5hrs up 2 hrs down. My experience with japanese guide times is somewhere around 2/3 is more reasonable if you are just brisk hiking.

There are 5 routes up, one loop route and then Aokigahara Jukai Forest. The saying in Japan is once your lost in Aokigahara, no one will find you. It is only forest in Japan on a lava flow, the trees are old and there are lots of lava tubes to fall into.

>until i think up more rules, those are the rules.

Draft legal or pure time trial? Obviously since it's mostly climbing drafting isn't going to be a huge factor in most of these, but for the Badwater one, it can sure make a difference on the desert flats.

I am sad that he has died.

Glad that he died in an adventure.

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Dude. Look in your backyard. Badwater: -282'. Whitney: 14,505'. Bike the Badwater Ultra course, then run the little jaunt up to the summit. Turn around and head back. And the total is quite a bit more than 14,787', as anyone who's done Badwater can tell you.

EDIT: OK, that would be hard in one day, but some variation on it might be possible.[/quote]
I think you've got a pretty good one here. In the continental US, that's the highest and lowest point, so it's a no-brainer good choice. Some of the foreign ones may have more ideal venues, but I'd rather keep it in the US.

I remember thinking the same thing when I first visited this area. We rode up from Lone Pine to the Whitney parking lot, then rode back down to the van. Then, we drove up to the top and ran the first 5 or 6 miles of the trail but turned around when we ran out of daylight (didn't start the ride until ~2PM I think). Going all the way to the top, you'll probably have to bring a lot of supplies. Having an "aid station" part way up the mountain would help. I haven't rode the part down below 3K feet, but I'm guessing that would be the hardest part. You'd want to ride the low elevations in the darkness while it's still cool, obviously.

IIRC, someone told me that you are only required to get a permit if you are sleeping on the mountain. I don't know if that's true, but I've heard of guys doing the summit and back without permits.

Honestly though, what's the point in riding back down to the place you started once you've already gone up (typically the hardest part)? I'd like to see the rules changed to a one-way uphill trip in a given time period.

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I think you've got a pretty good one here. In the continental US, that's the highest and lowest point, so it's a no-brainer good choice. Some of the foreign ones may have more ideal venues, but I'd rather keep it in the US.

I remember thinking the same thing when I first visited this area. We rode up from Lone Pine to the Whitney parking lot, then rode back down to the van. Then, we drove up to the top and ran the first 5 or 6 miles of the trail but turned around when we ran out of daylight (didn't start the ride until ~2PM I think). Going all the way to the top, you'll probably have to bring a lot of supplies. Having an "aid station" part way up the mountain would help. I haven't rode the part down below 3K feet, but I'm guessing that would be the hardest part. You'd want to ride the low elevations in the darkness while it's still cool, obviously.

IIRC, someone told me that you are only required to get a permit if you are sleeping on the mountain. I don't know if that's true, but I've heard of guys doing the summit and back without permits.

Honestly though, what's the point in riding back down to the place you started once you've already gone up (typically the hardest part)? I'd like to see the rules changed to a one-way uphill trip in a given time period.[/quote]
Yes, I would like to see slowman's rules changed on the downhill part. I get it from the mountaineering world that you have to get you butt down off the peak for it to count (we don't really know what happened to Mallory, but we know about Hillary and Tenzing).

Personally in the next 2 years, I am going to give the Kona to Mauna Kea summit a shot....ride form Kona to 9300 feet, then run/walk hike the final 4400 feet. I did the recce this year and I THINK it is possible as long as you don't get totally destroyed by wind. I THINK if you can make it to 9300 feet by noon or 1 pm, you have it in the bag because wind won't kill the run/hike part of the climb. I am planning to get a lift off the summit. No way I am running 7 miles back downhill. I ran 2 of those 7 miles this year and that was quad busting enough descending continuously at 15%.

All photos copy write Tim Carlson

This is the 17% section on Mauna Kea around 8500 feet up...barely going at 5 kph (34x32 gearing)



Shuffling at 15 min per miles running up the 15% gravel...really we were trying to run and both feet are not really on the ground



Downhill at 15%...that really is steep

Yes, this is primarily a triathlon forum, not a mountaineering forum. We are at far less risk getting stranded (and freezing, etc.) on Mt. Whitney or Mauna Kea than on Everest. Awesome photos from the big island, BTW.

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Probably not the greatest elevation gain but i think riding from the beach at Paia bay in Maui to the top of Haleakala would be epic. I think it is about 36 miles and 10'000ft elevation gain. I have driven it before while on my honeymoon and swore that I would be back to ride it. How cool would it be to ride from a beach to 10,000ft.

Here is a 28 mile ride that will take you from 1200 feet to 13000 in just 28 miles. Ouch.
http://tinyurl.com/c526dwt






Here's a 67 mile ride that plops you at the base of Chimborazo to hike up the final 6.5K feet.
http://tinyurl.com/c83as42




Here's 47 that will take you from coast to 16,000 feet. That'll hurt, particularly the 14K feet in the last 20 miles. Sick.
http://tinyurl.com/d6xgwp7

Goran Kropp(the Viking)rode his bike from Sweden to base camp of Everest(99), then solo climbed it without oxygen. Then he rode his bike home to Sweden. 15,000 miles round trip.

He died 3yrs later on an easy trad climb in Washington State.

Do him some justice and read about him!

Rg

I found the link, if I´m not wrong 9702 meters are 31830,71 feet


here is the link http://www.foromtb.com/...-P%C3%A1gina-2/page5

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This! It's probably the easiest logistically. You can ride the entire elevation on the bike of your choosing on paved roads. I drove it on my honeymoon and went back three weeks ago on our 30th and rode to the summit and back down. And, it's actually 100023 feet of climbing and yes, it is really cool, especially coming down ;)

 good search kny
that one gives a chance of 20 000+ feet gain if you climb up Chimborazo

Here's a 67 mile ride that plops you at the base of Chimborazo to hike up the final 6.5K feet.
http://tinyurl.com/c83as42

Just as a data point a guy here in town did 42,000ft. of climbing in 20 hours or so for the Strava Rapha Rising challenge. I was pretty impressed with that.

Our largest elevation change is about 5-600ft., so no huge climbs, but obviously lots and lots of them.

but notably Rainier is not included in that list. There is no way to do a safe ascent of Rainier that does not involve careful consideration of mountaineering risks and techniques. You can die from weather-related complications on Rainier at any time of year - not so with Whitney or Mauna Kea.

It looks like you will be doing 18,000 feet of climbing in this city to Summit IM event this year. That one might take the cake but I think Slowman still wants a single sustained climb.

Just as a data point a guy here in town did 42,000ft. of climbing in 20 hours or so for the Strava Rapha Rising challenge.

Wow... did he win? Do you have a link to his file?

He won the single day competition they had within that thing, to my recollection. The single day is here. Evidently the Garmin crapped out on part of the ride. BTW, check out his amount climbed this year - absolutely sick.

And yea, he won the whole thing.

Here's a 67 mile ride that plops you at the base of Chimborazo to hike up the final 6.5K feet.

ding ding ding ... i think we have a winner.

Not sure if this has been posted yet (I haven't read he entire thread):


Sherpa climbs Everest in record time
A Sherpa scaled Mount Everest in 10 hours and 56 minutes, setting a new record for the fastest climb of the world's highest mountain.
Lakpa Gyelu, 35, broke a record set by fellow Sherpa guide Pemba Dorjee, just last week, who reached the 29,035ft summit in 12 hours, 45 minutes.
Both left from the base camp, located at 17,380ft, they said.
Most climbers take about four days to cover the distance over the mountain's steep and icy slopes.
It was Gyelu's 10th successful ascent of Mount Everest.

Thats a bit more than a Hike, thats mountaneering.

skinning/climbing mt st. elias. 18000+ feet. then you can also (not been done yet) ski from summit to shore

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Badwater Basin in Death Valley to Mount Whitney, CA. -282 feet to 14,505 feet. Total gain of 14,787 in 131 miles. Definitely a long ride but also definitely possible under human power. On a side note, Death Valley is the best spring break training location available. 5,000+ foot climbs easily accessible at low altitude with zero chance of rain and 70-85 degree weather. Extremely interesting landscape as well. You haven't really biked unless you've ridden in Death Valley.

There are several 24-hour fell (hills/mountains) running challenges in the UK - the most famous is the Bob Graham Round in the Lake District (42 peaks, 66 miles 27000' climb - the record is an obscene 13:53).

There's also a classic Scottish one - the Ramsay Round: 24 hours, 24 Munros (hills over 3000'), 56 miles, 28500' climb.

One of our Celtman! finishers from 2012, Tom Philips, just did it.

In winter, gulp (10deg below, snow, ice, cornices etc. the whole way).

Cheers



Paul

My memory may be playing tricks on me, but didn't Jure Robic set a record for riding up and down the Ventoux for 24hrs? I recall backing out his VAM and it was >1200.

gah! you're right. i forgot my own comment above about the mountaineering stuff. chimborazo looks like a serious final ascent year round. i guess it still fits entirely within dan's parameters but ....

i'm not trying to be aggressive but we're on page N of this thread and people are still missing dan's key point: a single ascent ... he wasn't asking about how to put together 24hrs of lots of vertical.

"On a side note, Death Valley is the best spring break training location available."

the wife and i were just in death valley week before last, running and horseback riding. if what we're talking about here is an actual future recognized activity, you could get yourself into the 10,000' club (in fact, you'd top 11,000') just via riding from badwater, up wildrose, and then afoot to telescope peak. that right there is pretty close to my PR for bottom to top elevation in one day. that actually beats indian wells to san jacinto peak by a few hundred feet. there's one other way to get 10,000' done in california. lone pine to whitney would do it. i think that's about in in california. charleston peak outside of vegas almost touches 12,000', but it's hard to find any place in vegas that gets below 2000'. however, i think that's do-able.

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Not like this would beat some of the others, but the ride from Bormio to the top of Passo di Stelvio ends in a ski resort at the pass. This ski resort is only open in the summer because it is snowed in during the winter. You would then have the option of running to the summit of XC skiing or snowshoeing up. The problem is Bormio is already "too far up" at around 1200m


Trento Italy 180k away is down at 190 feet
Passo di Stelvio is at 9045 feet.
Ski Stelvio Summit at 3451m = 11388 ft

Total would be over 11,000 feet of climbing in one shot with 180k ride. Totally doable in a day.





OK OK....are we having fun on this thread or what? Slowman, when are you having the ST Stelvio + Gavia + Mortirola camp?

Dev

so why not start from Sondrio? you would add another 60k of riding but Sondrio is at around 400m so that would be another 800m of vertical...

"The problem is Bormio is already "too far up" at around 1200m"

why is that? i started at 2400m and ended at around 5500m. not a problem. of course, my ride was very short. i only had to ride, total for the day, maybe 60k.

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So are you going to run up Stelvio after riding the first 9000 feet, or will you ski to 11,000. When is the ST camp? I think you need to invite Uli as tour guide and also so that he can impose random testing in case anyone tries to juice up. Maybe you should invite Hampsten and he can take us up Gavia too....first American Grand Tour win out of an American team....Giro 88:

Telescope Peak 11,049 ft in Death Valley from Badwater -282 ft you could ride about 80 miles to trailhead at 8,100 ft run the 14 miles roundtrip to the summit and back return to Badwater for a pleasant 22,662 ft total

if that was the rules you could do this
http://cyclinginfo.co.uk/...rld-records-cycling/
65 000 feet of climbing in 1 day .

Did anyone mention speed ascents of El Capitan? I have no idea how high but it's up there.

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The rules slowman decided on have been discussed a lot here, you have to go up, then down in 24 hours, climbing in yosemity might net you a 4k elevation gain.

El cap 3200ft of vertical rock, simul climb record of 2:21 is crazy fast. That's 6min a pitch x2 people.

It took me a week to climb it back in the day.

Crazy

Killian Jornet has a plan,
http://www.summitsofmylife.com/en/the-challenge

He says for Everest,
"The attempt to break the ascent and descent record on the world’s highest mountain.
To break the record: 22:29 h"

but not sure what altitude that record started from.. still, that must be a contender..

I think Idaho Springs is closer to 7000ft for a 7000ft climb to the Mt Evans summit. Even if you start down in Denver it's "only" about a 9000ft climb.

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I like the Los Andes to Aconcagua linkup for the win (2,687' to 22,841' = 20,154' net gain!!!), I wonder if anyone has ever done it? I would imagine you'd want to have your start finish point @ 10,000ft or so to stay relatively acclimated, go down to Los Andes first, then summit and return.

This is bush league in comparison - yesterday I did Lee Vining to the top of Mount Dana and back bike>hike>bike (6,781' to 13,061 = 6,280' net gain) . Was curious what the record was for such things, which is how I landed here. I'm eying the Lone Pine to Whitney and back link-up (3,727' to 14,505' = 10,778' net gain). Not quite as badass as Badwater, but would still be pretty neat.

PS, Paraglidings gotta be out of the question, they can just sit there and ride a thermal up to 32,000' ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...orm-at-32000-ft.html

The Teide is 12198´ and you can ride your bike from sea level to about 7800´, run/walk the rest and return the same way during daylight.

I tried it but had to turn about 400´ from the summit as to not have to do the bike descent in the dark. I curse myself for not setting of at first light...

The normal route up Aconcagua (13,000 ft climbing) has been done in under 12 hours on foot. Kilimanjaro (~14,100 ft climbing) has been done in under 9 hours on foot.

If you want to remove the single ascent requirement you have something like Hardrock you have more than 33,000 ft climbing in less than 23 hours on foot. Ouray 100 with over 41k of climbing in 30 hours (probably could get that down to 24 hours if someone like Kilian ran it) I would say that full Aconcagua in a day would be more than possible for the right athlete.

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i'm glad we have resurrected this thread.

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