Wurf only bike tour de france after 2007, which was pretty much when the high octane hayday had stopped

So you mean he didn’t break the record since previously the event was run on a completely different course but that record still somehow is applied on the new course as well?
Kiuru has the record on the old course and always will, but Wurf has the new record on the new course.

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oh dear

His injury wasn't from Frankfurt so this is a moot point

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No need to go any further then. You have no basis for anything you said after this. Dumb speculation is dumb speculation.

This neither means he is nor is not a doper. Nor his association with team sky. (To state the obvious)

As far as I can recall, the is no more reason to suspect him then Frodo or Sparky. (2 random guys I picked, so relax all)

Now when you test positive and backdate a TUE and then destroy the field for 7 straight years, that’s a different story....

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Well, obviously he broke "the record" but I thought we were debating whether it was by 22 sec or by 8 minutes??? Honestly, I have absolutely no dog in this fight. I don't do iron races and I don't even ride the bike anymore but rather I just swim and run. I really don't care but was rather just commenting out of my waning interest in iron races.

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The point being made obviously went right over your head....

that's a pretty poor performance IMO.... perhaps you should open your mind a little to what Dev is trying to say?

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The point that both cyclists and rowers are notorious dopers..,at least historically and that he’s done both at a high level?

Doesn’t necessarily means he dopes any more than the rest of the tri world (or Less).

It’s also possible I missed your point, which, I will in some way, find a way to live with.

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Wurf's questionable associations is not dumb speculation it is a fact. He has been very open that he trains with Froome and Team Sky, but has never--to my knowledge--addressed the elephant in the room regarding his involvement with them. So yes I do have some "basis" for asking him as a fan of professional triathlon.

I guess no fan or organization should be concerned about a top tier professional triathlete closely associating and openly training with a professional cycling team under a doping cloud. I am not saying he is doping, but just that he should address the elephant in the room, because he is the one creating it by his behaviur. Furthermore, if Wurf continues to improve he can and likely will win Kona and it will be a major cloud over his win and our sport if he doesn't address it.

But how will addressing it make any difference? What's he going to say?
Yeah I dope, but like my mates Froomie and all, you will never know because our methods are so far ahead of the testing we will always be safe.?
Of course not, no, never, would be all we would hear, same as every athlete, so what would be the point in questioning him, if he is or isn't the answers would be the same.

Sometimes its better to keep quiet having people think you are an idiot rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt. You have just removed all doubt.

 
He Broke the long standing record set on the old Forster Course by 1 minute and the current course Port Macquarie record by 8 minutes. The wind was up on the bike so his result is even more impressive. The Age Group times were notably slower on the bike. I thought Tim Reed was impressive in his performance for 2nd, when Cam started spewing with 2km to go the crowd at the finish line was going crazy! they had a big screen with the live feed, made it a great atmosphere

On the women's race it was disappointing to see Laura Siddale with 2 top age group men at about 100km into the bike, it was only a moment I saw them go past but it was heading into the flats so cant imagine they split up. Considering it was very close with Caroline and she biked solo almost to the end of the bike, these sort of things could be the difference. I wasn't witness to much of the bike so hopefully it was just in that moment she Laura was with the age group men.

I don't think spandexboy's questioning is actually idiotic. It is fact that former team Sky have a cloud of doubt hanging over their heads and there is a very big possibility if they were a smaller, less powerful team with less $ that cloud would have burst a great shit storm all over them by now. Is guilty by association a thing though? I guess in this case it could be more likely as Cam was a member of the team, not just a tag along for a few training rides. Here is the thing though, I have doubts over the pure cleanness of a few of the guys and girls in long course racing, even the short course ITU. I believe there are some who are in, what I would call, that grey zone

He’s coached by Kerrison. That should tell you all you need to know.

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He broke the Ironman Australia record by less than a minute. That's the fact.

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If you want to play semantics, he broke the IM Australia record (by name only) by less than a minute. He broke the current IM Australia course record by 8 minutes. Beating the record of the current course by 8 minutes is a significantly better achievement that the 'name only' record of 22 seconds. Your 'fact' is irrelevant to the significance of the time Wurf posted. The significance is to compare it to recent times on a 'like for like' basis to assess how good of a performance it was relative to the current competition. Your line of thought and argument is useless apart from trying to prove a point that adds no value to the conversation, now run along and go play with your toys.

So, you and spandexboy do not know but it "feels" right? Insinuating that he may be doped because you simplu cannot know for sure that he is not is the equivalent of slander.

The drift or “index of resistance” that I assign is “about” 6-10 minutes per hour. 6 minutes is pretty exceptional, ie from race reports of AG athletes on here I would say that there are only a handful...or maybe 2 handfuls of people who can do that. 10 minutes is really good for a first timer.

I would say 90% of athletes at IM on race day don’t achieve that potential.

Caveats such as conditions/course on the day obviously apply.

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As a former rower and current cyclist, it's not even in the same realm of notoriety. Rowers are not "notorious dopers." For hard data, USADA has sanctioned 7 rowers since 2009. Cyclists? Around 160. (by my rough count).

East German / USSR rowing back in the 70's-80's. Sure. Today, not that much notoriety. I have no recollection of an Australian rower ever having been sanctioned for doping (there could be, just none comes to mind).

I don't think he ever was a member of the team while a professional cyclist. He is now associated with the team through his coach Tim Kerrison, and has been accepted as a member of the team as a result (going on training camps with them). But not sure if he's actually an official member of Team Sky (can't remember the new name)???

If you want to play semantics, the current course has a different run course at Port than it did when the record you are claiming was set.

I'll go by what Ironman is saying as they run the sport. Not some hero on a forum with zero ability to say their record is more valid than Ironmans.

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Was it under Kerrisons tutelage that a clean Froome beat the Lance/Pantani record up Ventoux by 35 seconds?

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