It is. Dan is comparing Kiley to Milo Yiannopolis.

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Why insult Milo?

Tell me about it...brand new pads on my all-road bike. Fully bedded and quiet. Today, one 6 mile, twisty, 8% average grade descent later (Gibraltar Rd.) and it's squeal-city every time they're applied now. Not unusual for the descents around here (Gibraltar, Painted Cave -Old San Marcos, etc.)

Annoying :-/

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He already used Rush Limbaugh, Milo was just next on the list.
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ost=6217845#p6217845

Yeah...stan has given up on engaging me intellectually, or responding to what I say with any substance. Now he just slings mud. I guess I don't blame him, given how those previous discussions ended...in him slinging mud.

When I update the bike, if the new bike has them then I will just run them. I suspect it will be the future of bikes and somewhere along the line people will have to jump in as they have with every other change as it becomes the only option apart from buying an old banger. Admittedly, I do like the thought of having the power and control of discs, I think they are just that much better than rim brakes, especially if wanting to stop in the wet and also in terms of not destroying carbon rims when the pads are mixed up with wet grit. It sounds like the manufacturers think they can offset the aero losses from discs with frame and fork changes, thats great, although they don't look very aero to the eye. Hopefully into the future they can make disc callipers etc more aero, but that said, generally speaking I don't think most derailleur and rim brake manufacturers have ever really had a good crack at it. Discs will probably be a bit like Di2, don't need it, doesnt make me go faster, waste of money, more to go wrong, but once people get it then they like it and want it.

Anyway, if the next bike I want has discs, then I'll just run with discs. If there is an option (like in the S3) then I will probably choose to go discs for the better brakes, ease of use and longevity assuming they are as good as my MTB brakes. I know on here integrating discs is like the sky is falling in, but I don't agree with some of that discussion. Discs will be the future, get aboard....but I would just wait until TT bikes have a full hydraulic disc setup - I cant believe Magura don't have this already.

Hydraulic TT levers will be here by the end of the year.

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Again, not claiming this is scientific (or not), but this brave mechanic seems totally unfazed by the "danger" of disc brakes.

super short video link, no fb account needed:
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Ok so they are less aero, all be it small, they are heavier, and they are a solution without a problem.....why would you use them on a TT bike? I will not be switching anytime soon.

because folks that turn one word into three don't care?

And your point is??

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As with anything new the correct question is not: why don't you want it?

The correct question is: why do you want it?

As with anything tt related, the answer is because it makes you faster. And to be clear, faster under reasonable circumstances which do not include strapping parachute like devices to rim brake bikes and testing against them.

Meh, not sure. Disc brake threads usually seem to me to be mostly populated by the anti-disc crowd.

I will make sure to revisit this thread 5 years from now to laugh at the anti-disc crowd.

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You'll have to catch us first. :P

I'll already be in T2

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Smart testers don't mess with 3 sports. ;)

Interesting how much more power it took Mullen to beat Dowsett in the TT a few days ago. Wonder what it's down to...

Can you post a link to it?

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Seeing a lot of the same comments here as anywhere on the internet when a discussion of disc brakes comes up.
I'm not a member of either the pro- or anti- disc religions.
Like a lot of things, there are pros and cons and things we don't know yet.

I like the disc brakes on my touring/rando/gravel/commuter bike. Panic stops in traffic, trying to control speed down long hills with a heavily loaded bike, optimal brake performance in bad weather - all reasons related to how I use my Volagi.
But none of those factors apply to my tri bike.

Plausible argument in favor of disc tri bikes: Some aero gurus think they'll be able to design more aero wheels without the brake track, and believe that will more than compensate for any drag due to the discs and calipers.
Sounds possible, we will see.
I am not going to replace my tri bike AND wheels just for a marginal aero gain, however. The cost-to-benefit mix does not add up for me.

Some of the objections to disc brakes others have posted don't make sense to me.
- Disc brake failures: OK, so that has happened in some tiny fraction of situations. Overheating rim brakes and having them fail or fade is another vanishingly rare phenomenon. Not going to base a decision on a freak occurrence that almost never happens either way.
- Weight: The difference is not all that great, likely to become less as designs are refined, partially counterbalanced by losing the brake track off the rims (which if you're a weight weenie is further from the axle and a better place to lose weight from). Last but not least, check out the FloCycling data on weight versus aero - hint: aero wins unless you're climbing one of the epic grand tour mountain stages, and even then, weight is only marginally more important.

Bottom line, I have no plans to replace my tri bike any time soon and if I had to replace it, I'd be shopping for a rim brake bike so I could keep the same wheels.
But if I was starting with a clean sheet, I'd have no objection to a disc brake tri bike. If I was in the market and the bike that best met my criteria for fit, performance, and price happened to have discs, I'd buy it.

Ryan Mullen - 11:11 @ 458w (Strava)
https://www.strava.com/...segments/21931029652

Alex Dowsett - 11:11 @ 441w (Strava)
https://www.strava.com/...segments/21930710311

I'm not sure your time/watts are correct. Mullen looks like he was 11:35 (moving time) vs. 11:55 (elapsed, prob started his watch prior to 'go' as would I in TTs) @ 463w. Dowsett was 11:45 @ 443w. So a 20w differential equating to 10 seconds over 10k. That's pretty close to being about what you'd expect in terms of "rule of thumb" aeroness. Or, within 10 seconds.

Sure you won't be retired for the 4th time by then?

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There's a reason I took the segment as opposed to the whole ride. The official results have Dowsett 1sec behind Mullen, so when they started/stopped their Garmins isn't comparable.