TxDude wrote:
Francois wrote:
It took it really far. Like stratospheric levels of lying. But then, Lance Armstrong and co. were far better. They took the lying far far far away to an other galaxy... So, I'll buy Tyler's book absolutely. He got caught. He was in a culture of cheating for over a decade, and everyone around him was lying and cheating, so he
just did the same, because that's all they knew, and maybe he didn't have the right support outside of cycling. It's not an excuse for what he did, but it surely helps
understand a bit the type of environment.
But I really have to laugh at those throwing rocks at Tyler and Floyd, when Lance has taken that to a whole new level...
Francois - I'm coming clean. I finally agree with you. You have been consistently spot-on regarding the LA doping issue for years. I used to be big LA supporter as recently as his triathlon victories. Funny, I don't hold doping against him as much as I do his bold face lying about it. Since he is the one athlete with the most to lose so he will never come clean. I had lunch with a friend recently who is avid Cat 1 racer. He said there are plenty of dopers in the weekend racing bunch too. The only way to enjoy the sport is to watch it for what it is. A dope show.
On another related note (re, athletes who fall from grace) Tiger Woods could have denied all of his exploits. I give him credit for stepping up and admitting to it all. Lance should have done the same thing. I can respect anyone who admits they f'd up. Impossible to respect LA.
Couldnt disagree more with your example of Tiger as someone we should look to and hold up as "coming clean." In my view his public mea culpa came only after an avalanche of damaging investigative press and only to stem the bleeding of sponsorship money, not becuase he was sorry he cheated on his wife, which had nothing to do with golf. In my view, he didnt need to hold a press conference and talk about his sex life. That's personal BS. Now, if we want to discuss Tiger's possible use of PEDs (which is what we're talking about with regard to LA and others) again IMHU, there's plenty of room for speculation. If the same scrutiny and law enforcement effort was ever applied to determining whether Tiger used testosterone or something else, i'd be interested to see what might (or might not) be found. But, there's no reason to test pro golfers for PEDs right? And so there lacks that impetus that exists (and arguably rightly so) in endurance sports to dig deeper when an athlete wins an unprecedented 7 tours.