Sean Kelly!

On a side note, did you know that Kelly tested positive in races in 1984 and 1988.

Now we can add Crow to the list of "liars" or people "looking for their 15 minutes fame" joining Tyler, Landis, JV, Frankie, Betsy, Anderson, USADA, WADA, AFLD and a few others I'm forgetting.
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No matter what people tell you, there wasnt money involved there. Same with Floyd. That was lance talking shit.

Not sure why you replied to me with this as I have not said either of those things (though from personal experience having nothing to do with any discussion or mention of LA I have nothing good to say about Betsy). I do have to call you out on the fact that the article only says she was questioned and says nothing of what she may or may not have said.

fully aware of that. The trip to SA and the fact that he was probably juiced for much of his career are two serious strikes against him. I think he probably gets uncomfortable any time David Harmon brings up doping.

Her comments were probably benign like everyone else's, in which case begs to question why LA folded.

Carl, nice job getting defensive in the face of an easily verified fact. I guess it did not fit your agenda so you had to do something. I am still wondering why you responded to me with that.

Echappist, half the time you can't understand Sean, so he may be telling Harmon where to get off or crying about his evil ways as a rider. LOL

jose has some love for l.a.
lanceyboy is being defended by jose
NICE!
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How do propose verifying what she said since that hasn't been publicized yet? Can't wait for your answer to this one.

You are dancing around the point I made. IMHO that just confirms that you have an agenda and posted the link with misinformation as a way to push that agenda and you got busted but just can't admit it.

Yep, it's Chris who's got an agenda...

On a related note, I am impressed that the PR company you work for is paying you overtime during a holiday weekend.

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How am I dancing around the fact her testimony isn't public and thus can't be verified?

So far LA is the only person who has been busted.

Well, here's a direct quote from someone who I think knows a bit more that either of us on this exact question:

"If you were careful and paid attention, you could dope and be 99 percent certain that you would not get caught”
-- Tyler Hamilton, 2012

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You are dancing around the fact that you presented the article as if said she made allegations when it did not contain anything of the sort and I called you on it.

I think you need to look up what allegation means because I didn't make any. If anything, you've displayed your bias

I have no problem admitting I have an agenda. I think people who lie in order to push their agenda or who misrepresent information to push their agenda should be called out for their bullshit.

On a related note I am impressed how obsessed you have become with me, posting about me even in threads I am not posting in. I would think a coach, especially a Portuguese one, would have way too much to do then sit on a forum all day and night insulting people in order to make himself feel better about himself.

Oh "nedbraden" your words cut so deep...

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And yet, you seem to have all day, every day - to hang out here and post on ALL the Lance threads. Incessantly.

Almost like it's your job.

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Actually, if you notice my daytime, weekday posting went to nearly zero starting this past Monday. Coincidentally right when school started here...where I teach!

I do think it is nice that you jumped in to defend Paulo. It's cute when people defend obvious trolls like him. I do wonder when his next pouting leave of absence from the forum will occur...it should be about time for the next one.

But I really have to laugh at those throwing rocks at Tyler and Floyd, when Lance has taken that to a whole new level...

Lance is a doper and lied about it. Point conceded. When Lance subsequently asks "believers", fans, etc. for support, he does so through Livestrong, a organization that I can tell you first hand does wonderful work. Thus why LA is such a polarizing figure; it is a fabulous ethical/moral debate if the ultimate good he has achieved outweighs the years of cheating/lying. Contrast this to Tyler, who asked "believers" to donate to support his appeals process and defense costs. No greater good for society came from Hamilton, just asking for money to promote his own self interests. He is a scumbag.

I hadn't noticed. That implies a level of giving a shit I don't remotely have.

Paulo's a big boy (figuratively, if not literally). He can handle himself.

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Yet you commented on both. The BS meter is off the charts on you!

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1) No I simply used a word that aptly describes what some people think of Armstrong in this whole thing.

2) I think it's funny when people start demanding answers to questions that are clearly them trying to avoid the point being made and trying to set someone up to bash them. If you really were interested in my thoughts you would first discuss the point I have made a few times instead of trying to set me up.

1) Using a word is how things are brought up. If you're suggesting "kingpin" is inappropriate because events were happening before LA joined the team precludes it's appropriateness, you are wrong. Kingpins come and kingpins go. If you're suggesting that grown men gave in to doping with the others, okay. Forcing, encouraging, coercing, enabling, pressuring...what term would you prefer we use to describe LA's role?

2a) I don't need to set you up to be bashed.
2b)The question was actually my way of addressing your assertion that LA wasn't a kingpin. It's a coversational technique. One you have dodged twice.

Aren't we at the point where really, they were all juiced for much of their careers.