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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [littlefoot] [ In reply to ]
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There’s already airbag helmets that detect falls. Also already patents on no helmet neck ring airbags for cycling.

Even if so, that’s tech that’s at least 5 years old.

We have mips smart helmets already that send crash alerts. We have helmets that project a laser bike lane onto the road.

I’d be super disappointed in a helmet.

Or in woven in reflective carbon or clothes. Lights work. Too much reflective turns you into a target as what eyes follow so do hands on steering wheels.

To really change cycling in the US, it would have to be something involving car/bike interaction that really changes the game for rec and commuters. For me anyway.
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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [davidwilcock] [ In reply to ]
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davidwilcock wrote:
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Also not excluding the possibility that this is nowhere near as exciting as people are speculating.

Does this mean I won?
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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [burnthesheep] [ In reply to ]
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burnthesheep wrote:

I’d be super disappointed in a helmet.

Welp, prepare to be disappointed then.

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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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I don’t know if this is it, but I have insider knowledge that they are releasing some new helmets soon. They have better protection than mips, or so they say
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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [Afg53] [ In reply to ]
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Hmmm.??? What insexpensive item can we modify so we can charge the crap out of it and up our margins 300%, someone never said.

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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [MCSLC] [ In reply to ]
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It can't be more disappointing then ironman's big announcement today.
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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [Afg53] [ In reply to ]
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Afg53 wrote:
I don’t know if this is it, but I have insider knowledge that they are releasing some new helmets soon. They have better protection than mips, or so they say
Does that include a ballista replacement?
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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [IamSpartacus] [ In reply to ]
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Oops, one day early... Links to wavecel.trekbikes.com, which is not yet open to viewing


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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [duncan] [ In reply to ]
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Googling "WaveCel" gets a bunch of patents attributed to Trek/Bontrager and a few shop sites, including this one:



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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [duncan] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [msrixon] [ In reply to ]
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So it is a helmet that does a better job at protecting the head than what we have on the market right now. I guess that is great (take it from someone who was sidelined for 6 months with a concussion!). But i would have expected more, or maybe just that it would be dirt cheap because the new material is so.
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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [lassekk] [ In reply to ]
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I like your logic, but not sure about that. Says expected price is $300. But yes would be nice to have all the way down through the helmet line rather than mostly at the higher end as MIPS tends to be.
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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [msrixon] [ In reply to ]
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My thing is, it's always a dicey prospect to have a world changing safety tech that retails at a pretty out of reach price point for folks.

Statistically, if you included Trek/Bont worldwide.......this tech would be most beneficial to have been rolled out in a sub-$100 commuter helmet for the Euro market.

Does it even have the similar crash notification of the S-Works helmet?
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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [burnthesheep] [ In reply to ]
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https://www.trekbikes.com/...ecel-helmets/c/E399/

well there is for $150, so I guess its a start
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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [ZenTriBrett] [ In reply to ]
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ZenTriBrett wrote:
buzz wrote:

i wondered if it was an evolution of the sort of crash-proof fabric scott was experimenting with.


Maybe a new helmet material. Would be important but people would also be meh.

Called it! Three pages ago. And let me know when it's less than $80.
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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [tessar] [ In reply to ]
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I get that Trek invented it and therefore should profit from it, but if this is truly as revolutionary as they claim, should it be similar to the seatbelt? Aka something that should be shared openly and allowed to be produced by all other companies? Given, we don't have a ton of info yet, but seems a bit contradictory to say,

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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [msrixon] [ In reply to ]
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msrixon wrote:
https://www.trekbikes.com/...ecel-helmets/c/E399/

well there is for $150, so I guess its a start

I stand corrected. For day 1 offering, $150 isn’t astronomical. When some commuters have super expensive e-bikes $150 isn’t asking too much.

$300 for the racy version is a hard pass.

The Sworks with mips and angi sensor is $250.

I would have thought they’d try to hit the same price point to something arguably the same, or better.
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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [ZenTriBrett] [ In reply to ]
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I've got a youngster racing XC and spending time at the freeride area. It's hard to say no to better safety when it's your kid. He has, after all, just one brain.
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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [tessar] [ In reply to ]
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Interesting and important, but slightly disappointing.
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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [burnthesheep] [ In reply to ]
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burnthesheep wrote:

I would have thought they’d try to hit the same price point to something arguably the same, or better.


Well if you trust the data in the study linked above it could be much, much better. That is if you trust that the "slip" helmet is indicative of a good MIPS helmet and trust that the experiment design tests for the right things.

Edit: And I'm all in. After having seen someone die in front of me from being internally decapitated after a head strike from a mundane-looking fall, I have absolutely zero price sensitivity for helmets. They could charge me $10K.



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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [trail] [ In reply to ]
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Slightly?? This product was absurdly (and mistakenly) over-hyped by Trek.
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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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DFW_Tri wrote:
Slightly?? This product was absurdly (and mistakenly) over-hyped by Trek.

Agreed. Marketing Dept. is a completely separate monster than industrial design/manufacturing so they ran with it.

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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [Timtek] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, I think in part, it was the length of the build up. If they had just given us a few days then it probably would have been less disappointing. But given the time it just set themselves up for a fall.

But, I am in the market for a new helmet and interested and will wait for the dust to settle and actually see some feedback from reviewers / users.
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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [Timtek] [ In reply to ]
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Timtek wrote:
DFW_Tri wrote:
Slightly?? This product was absurdly (and mistakenly) over-hyped by Trek.


Agreed. Marketing Dept. is a completely separate monster than industrial design/manufacturing so they ran with it.

Agreed+2. It's so over hyped I think Trek is so damn stupid. Trek, if you see this please grow up.
It was so childish and stupid.
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Re: Trek's latest tease....thoughts? [msrixon] [ In reply to ]
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Tim O’Donnell has worn the Bontrager Ballista to some very respectable bike splits in Kona so it will be interesting to see how it stacks up against that. The good news is the Trek-Segafredo world tour team will have a lot of feedback and testing of the design. If this is their pro team helmet this will not be a dog.

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