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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [astrotri] [ In reply to ]
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There's also "The Whizzinator" that an NFL player was caught with during a security check at an airport.
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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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They should give the yellow jersey to Peter Luttenberger!

Um . . . his first name is Peter, right? I hope I'm not thinking of some other Luttenberger.
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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [astrotri] [ In reply to ]
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There is/was another store in the Lansing area where you can get the stuff that would require you to have a filled fake phallus.

Doping for dummies. Nice.
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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [SuperDave] [ In reply to ]
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So what do they do in the event of a blood test?
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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [Bucky] [ In reply to ]
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artificial viens? I don't know, I've never had to worry about passing.


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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [Lazy Ben] [ In reply to ]
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It sounds like people around here are so angry that our sports (mainly, cylcing) are so riddled with drugs that you are looking to point the finger at someone else and say it isn't just us. Well the bottom line is you don't know if it is or isn't. I am standing on proof and you are standing on a festering turd of pure speculation. They must be on drugs they are bigger, faster and stronger than 20 years ago.

Yes, players are bigger, stronger and faster its a natural progression! Just like doctors are doing more amazing things. It is a function primarily of two things: A) larger pool of talent B) earlier sport specific training and development

With regards to A) as money grows the league grows and more kids are motivated to live the dream B) look around high schools now. The days of the triple sport athlete are dwindling. You have people playing or training for one sport all year round as early as 10 years old.

You can't say one sport is clean while the others are not. Athletes in every sport are breaking records as fast if not faster than in football. So I assume you believe every sport is filthy.
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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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I have to admit that I was not unlike many Americans in that I was a bit naive about the level of doping in the pro peleton, and even more naive about the participation of American athletes. Not so any more. Honestly, if I were French (which I am...sort of...folks came over in 1600), I would be pissed too. The French have a very aggressive testing program. If you knew that your guys were not getting results because everybody else was doped, wouldn't you be pissed? I can understand the push to expose the dopers, even if it seems a bit hostile at times.

Did anyone see the article on velo news about the raids on the Quick Step team's homes. Supposedly several arrests. Another team to be excluded from the Tour???

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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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I think I remember Phil Liggett saying rather famously somewhere that if Lance Armstrong is found to have ridden dirty that he would wash his hands of cycling altogether. I wonder what he, and other high-profile media people think about this Hamilton/Landis/Basso/Zabel/Riis situation? Add Virenque and Millar and I'm just about ready to hang up my interest. I know it's shite to bag a sport because of a few bad apples, but it makes me think about all the guys I knew growing up who rode their asses off just to make some of the smaller US Classic races, and never even had a chance on the international stage because they didn't have the resources to dope.
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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [Mike Prevost] [ In reply to ]
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Truthfully, for French riders to dope now, if they belong to a Pro team, it's pretty hard with a 'suivi longitudinal'. The French Anti Doping Agency tried to impose a similar process for all riders but it failed unfortunately.
That said, I don't think we have many really talented riders right now anyway, so I still think someone not french would win the tour...
Before doping, fancy bikes etc. the main thing remains to have a truly gifted rider. Armstrong, Ullrich, etc. were truly amazing riders, doped or not. France doesn't have a Hinault or an Anquetil at the moment.
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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [saltman] [ In reply to ]
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So I assume you believe every sport is filthy.

Ding ding ding!!! Absolutely, at least every endurance or power sport. Beta blockers in the ones that require a steady hand.

You can't honestly believe that the "American" sports are clean..."football" and baseball are amongst the worst because of the money involved. If you can make a shedload of cash playing a sport and just need that bit extra to get there, most athletes seem to be able to justify it to themselves, often on the grounds that "everyone else is doing it" or "this stuff isn't even banned (yet)". I don't see this "proof" you're standing on, a lack of failed tests is nothing of the sort with the labs being way ahead of the testers and the adminstrators running a half-assed testing program however they might try to spin it as otherwise.

If you wanted to make a case for curling being clean I might believe you. You need drugs to watch that one :)

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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [saltman] [ In reply to ]
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Oh, and by the way, there is no father christmas

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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [Lazy Ben] [ In reply to ]
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More money means filthier.

Operacion Puerto has 200 athletes listed. 50 pro riders. Not one athlete of the other 150 got any problem whatsoever...not one...even though there were a few names that came out that were really well known (zidane, ronaldinho, nadal for instance...)
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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [NJSteve] [ In reply to ]
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Riis (and others) had to know that this would be the response. I guess I still don't know why Riis came forward. He hurt himself, his country and his team. What did he gain? I can appreciate that he sleeps well at night and that he wanted to do what was right, but is that a good enough reason when you know that there are many others out there who did/are doing the same thing. Did someone have proof?


a number of support staff (doctors and trainers) from the old Telekom team had come forward with first hand accounts of doping (and I think one even wrote a book). One guy even claims to have injected Jan Ullrich w/ EPO and HGH. I don't think its a coincidence that Zabel, Riis, Henn, Dietz and Aldag all came forward at the same time.
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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, cycling's a mess but at least theytry to tackle it and do so in public. The really big money sports that run their own programs just sweep it under the carpet to keep the cash rolling in.

Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)
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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [Lazy Ben] [ In reply to ]
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[reply]Oh, and by the way, there is no father christmas[/reply]

Leave it to a Pommie to disappoint everyone.
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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Only those who think Barry Bonds is Father Christmas and the Virgin Mary rolled into one saintly figure...

Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)
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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [Lazy Ben] [ In reply to ]
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I don't know an mary who's a virgin
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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [saltman] [ In reply to ]
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Actually I emailed the NFL and MLB about their drug policies b/c neither is posted on their website (like it is on the UCI). I asked which drugs were tested for vis a vis the WADA list and I recieved a "thank you sports fan" generic type email that told me to write the respective league and they would send me a copy of the program. I think Collinsworth is a little overexuberant here and the leagues simply don't do as much testing, nor punish as hard as the UCI. Comparatively speaking, before and after every game, various athletes would be tested, including all those who scored a touchdown, hit a home-run, threw a no-hitter, etc, especially during the playoffs/championships. There would also be a lot more out of competition testing that would occur too. It really is hard to say that the NFL, MLB and NBA are focused on the doping problem when they don't do enough testing to find out if they have one.
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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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I have read several places, one I believe was Carl Lewis's autobiography, that 12 hours is more than enough time take diuretics, then intake a buch of water, to reduce the detectable content in the blood the amount necessary to pass a drug test.

So 72 hours seems very long.....

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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [saltman] [ In reply to ]
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As far as I know nobody has made any great strides in weightlifting or nutrition science since 1970, aside from drugs.

Read old bodybuilding or powerlifting books. There is basically nothing new.


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It sounds like people around here are so angry that our sports (mainly, cylcing) are so riddled with drugs that you are looking to point the finger at someone else and say it isn't just us. Well the bottom line is you don't know if it is or isn't. I am standing on proof and you are standing on a festering turd of pure speculation. They must be on drugs they are bigger, faster and stronger than 20 years ago.

Yes, players are bigger, stronger and faster its a natural progression! Just like doctors are doing more amazing things. It is a function primarily of two things: A) larger pool of talent B) earlier sport specific training and development

With regards to A) as money grows the league grows and more kids are motivated to live the dream B) look around high schools now. The days of the triple sport athlete are dwindling. You have people playing or training for one sport all year round as early as 10 years old.

You can't say one sport is clean while the others are not. Athletes in every sport are breaking records as fast if not faster than in football. So I assume you believe every sport is filthy.



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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [Paul Dunn] [ In reply to ]
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Whether that truly worked in his day, i do not know. That will not work today, they will ask you to retest if your urine is diluted like that.

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I have read several places, one I believe was Carl Lewis's autobiography, that 12 hours is more than enough time take diuretics, then intake a buch of water, to reduce the detectable content in the blood the amount necessary to pass a drug test.

So 72 hours seems very long.....[/reply]



Kat Hunter reports on the San Dimas Stage Race from inside the GC winning team
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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [saltman] [ In reply to ]
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look around high schools now. The days of the triple sport athlete are dwindling.

One more thing....if you look around American high schools now you see that the days of the athlete are dwindling, mainly because the size of the kids is doing the opposite.

But the NFL provides an opportunity for the 300lb lardass who lifts a bit and can run for 3 seconds to get paid as a sportsman, now that's the American dream...

Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)
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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [Lazy Ben] [ In reply to ]
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ouch
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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [Lazy Ben] [ In reply to ]
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provides an opportunity for the 300lb lardass who lifts a bit and can run for 3 seconds

Didn't you just describe the Highland Games??

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Re: Tour de France 1996 Winner is.... [More is MORE] [ In reply to ]
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Didn't you just describe the Highland Games??

LOL, not much money in that though. it should probably read 300lb drunk on scotch ginger lardass in that instance too.

Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)
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