Someone messaged me and they are fairly certain then can get a 56 P5 disc, p3x and a p series bike for the test.

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Yeah, you live a fair bit closer than me, but i've done that drive a couple of times. It's not too bad from the DC area.



I'm curious to see your numbers Tempor vs Cerebel.

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Dang that's a nice haul for half a day's work. But what are the chances of getting the three other bikes folks want to see??

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Someone also offered to potentially be the project manager pending a discussion on what's all involved.

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rider-on really just does the job of making the results super specific. the results of kiley's shootout are really only applicable to kiley, no matter what anyone says. one can always make assumptions about those resutls' applicability to others but the are just that: assumptions.

That's one of the things I'd like to do different.

Have 2-4 riders ride each bike then you can get a broader sense of how each bike works across a spectrum of triathletes.

That's also a lot of change over time that you're paying for. Figure 5-8 minutes per bike. If you have 3 riders & 6 bikes that's a minimal of $750 in change over time.

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Even though it didn't really affect me or my purchases at all, I enjoyed seeing the last effort come together and looking through the data. I'd be willing to donate $50 for Volume 2

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Are we not considering the Trek speed concept or the multiple time Kona winning Felt IA FRD super bikes?

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We should definitely consider the Speed Concept as it's the last (and one of the best) rim bikes left. This would give a final disc vs rim brake comparison.

After everything is said and done, I like to see a P3C in there as well to see just how far (or not) bikes have progressed in the last 10 years
Id pay to see that.

In the past few weeks I have been no less than 4 times (on threads about new frames and aero road bars) that reported wind tunnel gains are 'additive' meaning if a bar test 6 watts faster is equates to a 6 watt saving in the overall system. Canyon makes the same claim about the new Speedmax stating its 9 watts faster in the tunnel (without a clear reference to the baseline) and that this was validated to equate to the same savings in the real world. I just don't understand how this is true especially when you start playing around with contact points. The behavior of air flow on any contact point is massively dependent on whether or not their is human on that contact point.

If I think about drafting you still feel a significant effect 2m+ from the next rider. When I look at the previous aero shoot-out data it seems to confirm this bias that to a large degree most of bike is 'drafting' behind rider. When you remove the rider you can see a lot of nuanced difference but as soon as the rider is on board most of the differences fall to nothing. Am I missing something? To what degree is bike/component only testing additive vs random noise?

When alls said and done, buy the one you like the look of. You will spend more time looking st it than riding it, it's got to put a smile on your face.

A few Watts here or there will make zero difference to anyone life on this place.

Well in that case I will be sticking with my P3C
If I don't stand on the top step of the podium at my next race, it wont be because my bike is holding me back

I would agree with this based on my own testing. However, I would like to see some data from Specialized that at yaw, their bike obtains the sailing effect they keep referencing.

You're missing an 'n' in that yaw

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LOL ! - You do realise what forum you're on ?

We know each generation of Cervelo bikes is ~ 8w faster than the previous gen.

If this goes off we'd love for you to pay for that since tunnel time is just over $10/min. I'll put you down for ~ a $200 donation!

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Trek is the best bike! Or at least it was until the mono-posts...

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I live here, and am a project manager

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Or this guy. I'm a pretty consistent rider, .22 over a few tunnel sessions spread out over a few years

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If we focus on fit, the functionality of the mono-post bikes will win out. You'd have to throw in my P4 with Alpha One as a control to prove that point as well as prove that old bikes are as fast as new bikes. Same for disc vs. non-disc brakes. The functionality will win out, ie. rim brakes.

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all the dudes (or women!) would all have to fit on the same bikes ;)

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Bike only?

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Yeah, I'm writing an email right now to regarding this potential shoot out and that's one thing I mentioned. The other issues I see with clouding the data are shoes & helmets. Someone may have a big head and require a L while everyone else rides a M. Or the aerohead may be great for all but 1 rider. With Kiley all that was the same. Same position, same shoes, helmets etc.

On the other hand if you get 3-4-5 riders in there instead of a comparative study you end up with a broad based look at how the bikes react with different riding styles/helmets.

Currently all the bikes that have been offered are Cervelo's size 56, at least the one's in the US. I've had a bike offer from the EU but that's going to add to the cost a fair bit.

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Would be interested to know how my 56 p5-three does. Sitting here in Europe, so cannot furnish the bike but there should be plenty of people being interested in the results of a p5.
Would be willing to donate $ 50, and if the time has come tell me how to transfer that from Europe (I googled the A2 Wintunnel to be in the US so I guess you're located there too).