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Slowtwitcher Racing LIONEL SANDERS In Zwift Live Event
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UPDATE #2: I have been seeded to race Lionel Sanders in the qualifying race on Saturday March 24th. Top 4 advance - 3 Laps of Watopia Hilly Reverse. 11 days until show time! Times marked are US Pacific.



UPDATE: Lionel Sanders has been invited to participate in the live event. So it should be fun to watch considering he just hammered out 420W for 15 min at that sprint tri.



Shameless self-promotion below:

I know there are varying opinions on here about Zwift--what role it should play in training, whether or not racing on it is "real", and how people cheat. I posted about Zwift racing and CVR some months back, and was met with responses of "huh, cool", to "I don't know why you'd be interested in virtual rankings".

Well, over the last 5 months, I chased those rankings--participating in races every week fine tuning my tactics in the game, and incorporating them into my 70.3 training as best as I could. In January I entered a series of races known as the CVR World Cup, racing at 4 AM so I could meet my actual life obligations at work and keeping my wife from hating me and my training.

Yesterday I sealed my victory to qualify for Zwift's CVR World Cup in Los Angeles on March 24-25, and will be competing against other Elite qualifiers (16 time zone winners--8 men, 8 women), as well as selected participants in Hunter Allen's CVR Training Camp "Performance Bracket". The total prize purse is a minumum of $106,000, as they are still crowdfunding the purse until the event.

Being a triathlete, while still working full time, I would like to think I am one of the underdogs in this event. The other racers include Leadville qualifiers, former professional European road racers, and elite time trial/road racers. If only there was a swim before and run after--I'd have it in the bag!

The weekend will feature a number of races: a hilly race, and climbing race, and a criterium. If I can place high enough on Saturday, I'll race in the Elite final on Sunday. If not, I'll race against the other people who also didn't place high enough in the "performance" finals.

Regardless of people's viewpoints of Zwift and racing in the game, I would really love to have support from this community as I take on the pure cyclists. Hoping to show them what us triathletes are made of, and take home as big a slice of that pie as I can! The event will be live-streamed over the CVR World Cup facebook, as well as Twitch.com. I'll absolutely come back to this post and link when I know for sure where is best to view.



Note: I am in no way affiliated with the CVR group--just pumped as hell to have won my Zone and qualified.
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [TriowaCPA] [ In reply to ]
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Congrats Matt! I've been following your Zwift races/rides with great interest. Can't wait to see how you do!
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [TriowaCPA] [ In reply to ]
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This is awesome, congratulations.

A few questions:
Have you utilized zwift year round or just part of a winter training plan?
How many racers will you compete against?
I'm guessing CVR will provide Smart Trainers for power consistency across the board?
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [marvloga] [ In reply to ]
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marvloga wrote:
A few questions:
Have you utilized zwift year round or just part of a winter training plan?
How many racers will you compete against?
I'm guessing CVR will provide Smart Trainers for power consistency across the board?

I've been riding Zwift almost exclusively (alongside TrainerRoad as well for specificity) since November 2016. I have around 10,000 miles logged in the game on my Tacx Neo.
There will be 20 men, 20 women in the "Elite" category--16 of us qualified by beating others in our time zone races over 8 weeks. The remainder are from Hunter Allen's training camp and are considered the "performance" racers.
And yes, CVR announced yesterday that Cyclops is the smart trainer sponsor for the event, so we will be racing on Hammers. We will also all weigh in before racing, as weight is a significant input in the game.
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [TriowaCPA] [ In reply to ]
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So it turns out we were in the same Group B (though for me it was only 5am), though I'm the B bracket. I should have been in the C but they placed me in the B, so whata gonna do. I joined late, so I only got 3 races in. I'm looking forward to the next season that starts in March, I think the idea of the league is pretty cool. I don't know if they'll let me switch to C or if I'm forced to stay in B since I won't be relegated.

I hope you do well. I'm definitely pulling for you!
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [MRid] [ In reply to ]
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Nice!! The B group was very tough! I'm pretty sure if you go onto cycledata.cvrworldcup.com you can change your bracket and zone in the "Races In" section.

Appreciate the kind words, and I'll do my best to represent Zone B in the finals!! The winner of B Bracket in our Zone is actually a friend of mine and a draft legal professional triathlete. Incredible athlete who really found his legs during this CVR season. Glad he was able to take the win in the B's!
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [TriowaCPA] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, I'm looking at his race results on ZwiftPower and I'm not even close to his league right now. The guy that won the C's I've actually raced a few times in other races, besides this league, and we are generally pretty close. I've never beaten him, but we are usually in the final sprint together. But I guess he's now promoted to B, so that's someone my caliber.

I assume since the postseason is still on zwift, we'll be able to follow along on zwift power?
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [TriowaCPA] [ In reply to ]
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Congratulations and best of luck!

I just finished my first tough virtual training block with the Tour of Sufferlandria... I have a new respect for the focus and motivation the virtual world offers.

Please post ways we can monitor the events live if possible. I'm not on Zwift, but I am Zwift-curious so I might peek in.

" I take my gear out of my car and put my bike together. Tourists and locals are watching from sidewalk cafes. Non-racers. The emptiness of of their lives shocks me. "
(opening lines from Tim Krabbe's The Rider , 1978
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [TriowaCPA] [ In reply to ]
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Nice job!

I think I'm a solid cyclist but every time I've tried Zwift I seem to be pretty average. If you don't mind me asking, what's your FTP watts/kg?
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [TriDevilDog] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you!! I’ll definitely come back to this post with more info as the race approaches. It will be streamed on the CVR World Cup Facebook page for sure that weekend though. Coverage should be good!

I wanted to do the ToS but this series lined up during it so it would have been way too hard haha. Good work getting through it!!
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [Louie Cayedito] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you!! It was a tough battle to take the win.

As for racing/riding indoors, i think equipment plays a role, and big fans in the pain cave. Staying cool indoors is very important.

And I haven’t tested my FTP in a month and a half, but it was 5.15 w/kg at the time of the last test. I’ve put in a solid amount of training and just did a 5 min test outside for Zwift Anti Doping (virtual cheating policing agency) and held 6.25 w/kg for 5 min. I’d wager my FTP is around 5.3 w/kg now as I’ve dropped a few pounds and seen some fitness increases.
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [TriowaCPA] [ In reply to ]
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Why does Zwift have so many acronyms and how are you supposed to figure them out?

What's CVR?
Also, KISS and WBR seem to be popular races.

I mean, I've done a dozen plus races and a few of each I think, but I still don't know what any of it is or means.

Is this competition the same one as the Thursday night KISS crit competition where they took best 7 out of 10 races, or something different?
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [rubik] [ In reply to ]
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There are a few different “groups” looking to build race communities on zwift

Cvr is a pay to enter, race series (do they profit from it too maybe). $ goes to winners and cool events like the championship series

Kiss has their own weekly crit championships. Doesn’t cost anything to enter and way less structured - just hop on and ride in as many races as you can

Kiss, WBR and others are zwift racing groups / teams that run their own weekly races.

In general the different group organizing the race doesn’t matter. Each have their own rules (re: things like starting all cat’s start together, or A start before B before C, etc, powerups, length of races, etc)

I race whatever fits my schedule, am indifferent to the team organizing
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [TriowaCPA] [ In reply to ]
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Congrats and great work!

I hope youbdominate!

Will you be wearing the ST kit?!
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [mvenneta] [ In reply to ]
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mvenneta wrote:
Cvr is a pay to enter, race series (do they profit from it too maybe). $ goes to winners and cool events like the championship series

Kiss has their own weekly crit championships. Doesn’t cost anything to enter and way less structured - just hop on and ride in as many races as you can

Kiss, WBR and others are zwift racing groups / teams that run their own weekly races.

Just want to clarify that CVR didn't cost anything to compete--same as any other Zwift event. I did also take part in the KISS eCrit series and I'm sitting 10th (top 5 in North America East go to live event). Being a triathlete means my sprint isn't strong enough to crush the pure cyclist in that series. Great fun though!
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [TriowaCPA] [ In reply to ]
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Huge Congratulations - that is impressive and shows great dedication. You should be a beast in tri's.

Question: Where does this level of cycling ability leave you in triathlons? top 1%? Amateur or pro? Are you long course or short course?

Just curious more than anything else. I am an ex road guy (last road race was 2008) who is currently doing triathlons. I did my first Zwift race a few weeks ago and was surprised at the first 5 min effort required. The last 10 years of tri training did not help for 5 minutes at 400+ followed up with sitting at 300+ for the rest of the race. Was fun but i think i entered the wrong category! (Back in the day this would have been perfect but i am old now :))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkT_d2OTgv0
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [triracerboy] [ In reply to ]
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triracerboy wrote:
Question: Where does this level of cycling ability leave you in triathlons? top 1%? Amateur or pro? Are you long course or short course?

Thank you! And I'm sure you'll get used to the effort required in Zwift races pretty quickly. I race a lot of guys that are "old", and they still kick my ass!

As for the question I quoted above, I'm an amateur, but I'd say cycling is definitely my strong suit in triathlon. I focus on 70.3 and have for 3 years, but my short course power is pretty solid. I did out-bike TJ Tollakson last year on his Dimond Marquise at a local sprint--definitely a proud moment haha. Then I split 2:10 at Racine which was a top-20 split or so in the race.
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [TriowaCPA] [ In reply to ]
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TriowaCPA wrote:
Thank you!! It was a tough battle to take the win.

As for racing/riding indoors, i think equipment plays a role, and big fans in the pain cave. Staying cool indoors is very important.

And I haven’t tested my FTP in a month and a half, but it was 5.15 w/kg at the time of the last test. I’ve put in a solid amount of training and just did a 5 min test outside for Zwift Anti Doping (virtual cheating policing agency) and held 6.25 w/kg for 5 min. I’d wager my FTP is around 5.3 w/kg now as I’ve dropped a few pounds and seen some fitness increases.

Wow that’s great w/kg. Good luck with the race!

I’m intrigued by this notion of Zwift Anti Doping - what in the heck is that, and how does it work? I mean the weighing, the variability of power meters etc, would seem like a nightmare.
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [Tin pot] [ In reply to ]
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Tin pot wrote:
[I’m intrigued by this notion of Zwift Anti Doping - what in the heck is that, and how does it work? I mean the weighing, the variability of power meters etc, would seem like a nightmare.

The process is pretty simple, surprisingly. While a lot of power meters are different, the major brands are more consistent, especially over longer efforts. I was flagged for a 5 minute effort, but they also required that I send files to verify my 1 hour, 20 min, 10 min, and 1 min. I just went outside and did the 5 minute because as a triathlete living in a flat area, I'd never truly buried myself for 5 min outside.

They look at other riders on the same Strava segment to verify the power required to climb at that speed. I think it takes them quite a bit of time to ensure they are making the right call, but a lot of people just give them prior race results and a list of KOMs and they're good to go. Very few people have ONLY indoor riding to show for.
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [TriowaCPA] [ In reply to ]
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Congrats Matt! You earned that!

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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [TriowaCPA] [ In reply to ]
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Matt, did you seriously just get third in the US Nationals race?!? Big congrats man!
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [MRid] [ In reply to ]
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MRid wrote:
Matt, did you seriously just get third in the US Nationals race?!? Big congrats man!

Hey! Yes I did! It was a seriously epic race and I can’t believe I had that sprint in me. Stoked.

I’m actually doing a triathlon boot camp weekend with friends and this race was off a 3km SCM swim. If only everyone else had done the same.

Went for a celebratory 10 mile run afterwards!
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [TriowaCPA] [ In reply to ]
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TriowaCPA wrote:
marvloga wrote:
A few questions:
Have you utilized zwift year round or just part of a winter training plan?
How many racers will you compete against?
I'm guessing CVR will provide Smart Trainers for power consistency across the board?

I've been riding Zwift almost exclusively (alongside TrainerRoad as well for specificity) since November 2016. I have around 10,000 miles logged in the game on my Tacx Neo.
There will be 20 men, 20 women in the "Elite" category--16 of us qualified by beating others in our time zone races over 8 weeks. The remainder are from Hunter Allen's training camp and are considered the "performance" racers.
And yes, CVR announced yesterday that Cyclops is the smart trainer sponsor for the event, so we will be racing on Hammers. We will also all weigh in before racing, as weight is a significant input in the game.

Can you please elaborate on how you use TR and Zwift in your training. I have used TR for 3 years with good gains. Although I am intreagued by Zwift, I am concerned about leaving out of the structured training of TR.
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [TriowaCPA] [ In reply to ]
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Congrats Matt! I watched the replay and it was pretty cool having someone I know (at least online) to cheer for. That was a phenomenal race. I watched the Canadian championships as well and it was interesting to see how the different races played out. The w/kgthat you guys sustain is amazing!

Quick question... do you feel that people with smart trainers are turning erg mode off on races likes this with a good climb (or whatever the setting is that controls the resistance on a hill)? It seems like it would be easier without, but I don’t have a smart trainer so I can’t say.
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Re: Slowtwitcher Qualifies for Zwift's CVR World Cup [TriowaCPA] [ In reply to ]
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serious question ...

how legit is a virtual race with every participant using different PMs or Smart Trainers to calculate power and on top of that counting on the honesty to enter your correct weight?

*oh, ok, you adressed it
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