You sound like an Aussie local. How hot was it during this race??? How humid???

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"Anyone can be who they want to be IF they have the HUNGER and the DRIVE."

I did the 70.3. The weather was mild I was cold for a while after the swim and the day never got hot. As another poster mentioned the roads are pretty terrible though super lumpy.

After my race wife and I watched the pros do laps of the run course. Wurf was flying but his face looked pale and he was hurting.

The wife enjoyed perving on clayton fettel.

So doing a full ironman every other week is no big deal but it is a straight marathon that puts him in a hole that he never recovers?

Yes and if you don't understand this, then you don't understand the difference between a slow Ironman marathon and a fast open marathon. Now that he is running "faster" IM marathons its also going to hurt more. It's just the physics of fast running. There is a reason why (to my best knowledge) no male pro winner in Kona has run an open marathon in the lead up to Kona (but have run IM marathons). Pro women, being lighter and given they run slower in general have less pounding and maybe could bounce back from an open marathon faster. Erin Baker may have run a 2:39 the year she won Kona and if I recall it was far removed from Kona (like 8 months before). But pretty well no one else does the open marathon + Kona thing.

And Cam is not doing an Ironman every other week. That would be 26 Ironmans Kona 2018 to Kona 2019.

Watched an interview with him over the weekend, last year was about cramming race experience/ learning..he's not planning to race as much this year.

Actually, I do. But I will defer to you because, you know, you are the expert.

LOL, if you are going to be a dick about it thanks for the dickish compliment. But let's get back to the discussion on fast mid year marathons in a kona build.

Let's go through the history list and bring up a Kona winner who ran sub 2:40 in either an open marathon or IM marathon in the summer and backed it up with a Kona win in October. Frodo did that in Roth 2016 but that may be it.

Peter Reid did not do it after his 2:38 at IM Austria. Ralaert got close...sub 2:40 at Roth 2011 and third to Crowie at Kona (ran a lot slower in Kona in 2:47, but a Lange style run gets him the win).Frodo ran sub 2:40 at Frankfurt last year and was injured for Kona. Lange was jogging around Frankfurt (2:47) and on fire in Kona (sub 2:40).

Mark Allen, Luc Van Lierde, Crowie Dave Scott, Lange, Macca....everyone who has run 2:42 or lower in Kona never runs that fast mid year. When Frodo ran sub 2:40 in Roth, he won with a fairly slow run.

I respond to condescension in kind.

We are talking about running a flat out marathon in the middle of the season as a tune up for an IM. Plenty of people do it (I have multiple times, most recently a 2.42 six weeks out before running 3.12 IM. I am a proponent of this combo in fact.). It is not that big of deal. LS' treadmill workouts and or 5x 5k repeats at 16 min are probably harder than a fast marathon. I recall a peak Crowie workout was 13x mile repeats at <6 min pace off of a hard 112 mile bike. Any of the run specialists could do this standing on their head. Cam will, too if he ever wants to be competitive in Kona.

Wait...you are comparing your slow (for a pro) 3:12 IM marathon to a pro needing to run sub 2:45 in Kona (or at least sub 2:50). These are entirely different worlds. Your N=1 does not apply to pro level racing. Neither Crowie's workout nor Sanders' is a race marathon. Different worlds as they have rest in between intervals.

Try to keep up. My point is that running a marathon in the middle of the season is not that big of deal. You made point that Cam running a 2.35 straight marathon would destroy him and ruin his Kona. It won't.

Yeah OK then let's use your N=1 data....he will run 3:12 in his IM marathon based on your data. That's not going to be fast enough.

What?? Cam just ran a 2:48 on the back of holding 306 watts for 180ks but if he ran a 2:35 standalone he would still be wrecked come October?

But Cam doing an IM every other week is no big deal, it is the straight marathon 2 months out from Kona that keeps him from running <3.06 that he did last year. Got it.

Johnny - Thanks for that on-the-scene report!!!

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"Anyone can be who they want to be IF they have the HUNGER and the DRIVE."

triratings is wrong


His time of eight hours, six minutes and 17 seconds just beat the event record of 8:06:39, set by Finnish legend Pauli Kiuru on the old Forster course in 1992.

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I believe trirating is using the record for the current course, which was 8:14, not the '92 record on the old course. Opinions may vary but I think using the record for the current course is best. :)

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"Anyone can be who they want to be IF they have the HUNGER and the DRIVE."

Especially since the old course was, you know, at another location (Forster) altogether (about 100kms away from Port Macquarie).

Ah thanks, another on-the-scene report, or at least "been to the scene"!!!

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"Anyone can be who they want to be IF they have the HUNGER and the DRIVE."

Yeah, Forster bike course was much easier, mostly flat.

The first thing I am going to say, I am most certainly not calling out Cameron Wurf as a doper. To call somone a doper there must be evidence.

With that said, Wurf's close association with past and present professional cyclists under a doping cloud--the now defunct Team Sky and Chris Froome--is disconcerting at best. I truly hope he is not involved in doping. My problem with Wurf is his ongoing close association with top tier cycling professionals and their teams. I find those associations deeply concerning. Mainstream triathlon has not even broached the subject with him.

I am not calling Wurf a doper, but if you are a professional triathlete that routinely trains with Chris Froome and Team Sky--both with a cloud of doping hanging over them--you as a professional triathlete should address the issue or not be surprised when there are more than a few raised eyebrows in anything he does results wise as a professional triathlete. If Wurf does win Kona or a major pro triathlon race, I will have a raised eyebrow unless his associations are addressed.

With that said, he's a wanker and just like I enjoy Starky, I enjoy Wurf being a constant smart ass.

No, you're crazy.

You do realize his history? He was an Olympic rower then cyclist-he has been working on his engine at a world class level for years!

Errrrr, yes you are. Just say it. Or don't would be better.

LOL 😂. You are crazy. If he was a doper he would have won kona already.

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Ironman said he broke the course record. They own the sport and the record books.

If they say he broke the course record. He broke the record.

It’s like the any event in the Olympics. The IOC ratify world records. It’s their sport. Their rules.
Ironman is no different.

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Had my first outdoor ride this weekend and this is my conclusion: I hate bad weather, aggressive drivers and the local Walmart cycling club. Still I hate your post more. A lot more.