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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [mwanner13] [ In reply to ]
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Ten miles in I’m powering up a roller around 27 mph. I come up on a pack of about 6-8 riders from the white to yellow line wide all out of the saddle. None of them moved. At the last second I brake and move right. The guy in front of me finally moves over right and spits up in the air in my face. Before I passed I told him he spit in my face. He told me I was drafting...lol.

Later another group refused to move right. The guy forces me onto the center rumble strip.

What a cluster! Should have been ahead but suffered a swimming injury that sidelined me out of the pool the 3 months previous.

I refuse to have a half assed swim again. Way too dangerous on the bike.

Drafting and illegal riding in an Iron Man? Say it ain't so! Beau, surely you jest!
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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [mwanner13] [ In reply to ]
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Ten miles in I’m powering up a roller around 27 mph. I come up on a pack of about 6-8 riders from the white to yellow line wide all out of the saddle. None of them moved. At the last second I brake and move right. The guy in front of me finally moves over right and spits up in the air in my face. Before I passed I told him he spit in my face. He told me I was drafting...lol.

Later another group refused to move right. The guy forces me onto the center rumble strip.

What a cluster! Should have been ahead but suffered a swimming injury that sidelined me out of the pool the 3 months previous.

I refuse to have a half assed swim again. Way too dangerous on the bike.



This is very frustrating and I've had it happen in a lot of races recently. People riding side by side having a conversation during the race. Usually sitting up and wearing an aero helmet. As I tell my wife, there are some people who should NEVER be on the left, but they will ride there (very slowly) and then block the entire time. I guess they think if they stay there, people will just go around them and they don't have to do much weaving in and out of traffic.......though. most of the time, they are going so slow that they are not passing anyone where they would have to weave in and out.
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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [eye3md] [ In reply to ]
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This is very frustrating and I've had it happen in a lot of races recently. People riding side by side having a conversation during the race. ....

I kinda grumbled to my wife after a recent local race that it seemed there was a lot of this, and people riding right down the middle of the lane, or the meandering cyclists. More than usual in this race.
And then, I remembered, I'm a MOPer (although, if I could run and wasn't in my 40s racing against some fierce competitors with more time and more money, I'd be an upper MOPer) and if it weren't for all these people, this race in my own town wouldn't cost $100. It would probably cost $500. Which, in reality, means it wouldn't exist.

So yeah. I get it. Those people are frustrating. That's why I personally do everything I can to make everyone else's race (no matter the race) as good as mine. Meaning, you won't catch me doing that stuff, unless I space out for a minute and outright "lose track". Not going to deny that it hasn't happened on rare occasions.

But, without "us", there'd be no Chattanooga 70.3 and there'd be exactly one IM distance race. And you probably wouldn't have to qualify to race in it. They'd be begging you to race in it. It would likely cost about $4000 to enter it. Any actual prize money would be a pittance. The bikes would cost 5x as much as they do and would probably still look very much like road bikes.

That all being said, it's not a justification. I'm trying to think of a way not to say "it is what it is". I think "poor riding" is the most common gripe (outside of breast strokers) people have about racing and encompasses bunching, drafting, packs, unsafe and inconsiderate riding. It's generally the only thing I'll grumble about. Not sure what more they could do, but I hope RDs at the "local levels" are constantly looking for ways to address it.

Heck, we don't even generally bitch about parking. We just know it's not easy and likely going to be a hassle and accept. And sometimes it never is. I just parked for a race of 700+ racers and my car was 100 feet from my rack? And I arrived fairly late.
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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [FatandSlow] [ In reply to ]
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Speaking of drafting, I was on the course on Sunday and saw this girl and bigger guy with very similar kits on. She was pretty strong too. I thought it was odd, but he seemed to be pacing her a bit. After the race, I went to Strava's flyby and noticed he rode with her the whole way on the course and she was a pro. I'm not 100% sure, but I think he may have been pacing her. Not a big deal, but I believe she was top 10.

Anyway, I didn't see many issues on the bike course other than some guy sitting on my wheel at mile 12 and after I yelled at him, that this wasn't Texas, he backed off.
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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [aj```] [ In reply to ]
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aj``` wrote:
eye3md wrote:

This is very frustrating and I've had it happen in a lot of races recently. People riding side by side having a conversation during the race. ....


I kinda grumbled to my wife after a recent local race that it seemed there was a lot of this, and people riding right down the middle of the lane, or the meandering cyclists. More than usual in this race.
And then, I remembered, I'm a MOPer (although, if I could run and wasn't in my 40s racing against some fierce competitors with more time and more money, I'd be an upper MOPer) and if it weren't for all these people, this race in my own town wouldn't cost $100. It would probably cost $500. Which, in reality, means it wouldn't exist.

So yeah. I get it. Those people are frustrating. That's why I personally do everything I can to make everyone else's race (no matter the race) as good as mine. Meaning, you won't catch me doing that stuff, unless I space out for a minute and outright "lose track". Not going to deny that it hasn't happened on rare occasions.

But, without "us", there'd be no Chattanooga 70.3 and there'd be exactly one IM distance race. And you probably wouldn't have to qualify to race in it. They'd be begging you to race in it. It would likely cost about $4000 to enter it. Any actual prize money would be a pittance. The bikes would cost 5x as much as they do and would probably still look very much like road bikes.

That all being said, it's not a justification. I'm trying to think of a way not to say "it is what it is". I think "poor riding" is the most common gripe (outside of breast strokers) people have about racing and encompasses bunching, drafting, packs, unsafe and inconsiderate riding. It's generally the only thing I'll grumble about. Not sure what more they could do, but I hope RDs at the "local levels" are constantly looking for ways to address it.

Heck, we don't even generally bitch about parking. We just know it's not easy and likely going to be a hassle and accept. And sometimes it never is. I just parked for a race of 700+ racers and my car was 100 feet from my rack? And I arrived fairly late.

Unfortunately, I believe RDs are doing what they can to address this (ie, reminding you at every race to NOT draft and to NOT block). It comes down to the individuals racing. The large majority of any race field is trying to race but also be respectful of the other competitors involved. There's always a small minority who reflect a "its all about me and I'm gonna do what I want" attitude. Don't know how to change those folks because a lot of our general society has become like this
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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [japarker24] [ In reply to ]
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Who's Wanda?
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Since when did you people get so far behind on modern culture? Wanda is the country that the Black Panther is from






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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [eye3md] [ In reply to ]
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The whole talking to the RD, etc. has never worked for me. As a Mario Kart enthusiast, I've taken matters into my own hands—I'm dropping a banana peel. You better be ready, Princess.

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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [mwanner13] [ In reply to ]
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Aside from obvious blocking, the thing I didn’t like is that he looked back and then spit up in the air in my face. When I said something he said I shouldn’t be drafting. That’s a pretty shit move.
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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [eye3md] [ In reply to ]
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eye3md wrote:

Unfortunately, I believe RDs are doing what they can to address this...
Yah, don't get me wrong. I think they are too. I'm under the assumption they're always thinking "how can I make my race better?"...and since this comes up often, they think about it often.

Like I said, I'm not sure what they could do. Start warning? Pulling people off the course? Issuing penalties? The last thing they want to do is intimidate the bulk of their customers. Fair enough.

They'd have to think outside the box. Maybe create a catchphrase that people could use as gentle reminders. Something that's not interpreted as casting blame or griping. A nicety...if you will. Akin to "on your left" (which, in theory, should work as it is.

Make it a little fun. Maybe even tie it to the race. Or even a "Good morning" Just something that when someone hears it, it's known and widely accepted that it's just a reminder to do it right and be safe for all. If those of us who aren't jerks and don't deliver it in a condescending huff, we all go home happier and awareness goes up?

I dunno. Just spitballin' here.

Then again, I tend to read rules and actually pay attention to course talks because it makes my day more pleasant. Not sure how many do.
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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [Tri-Banter] [ In reply to ]
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Tri-Banter wrote:
Who's Wanda?
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Since when did you people get so far behind on modern culture? Wanda is the country that the Black Panther is from

Thats Wakanda. Wanda is the Scarlett Witch...


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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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bluemonkeytri wrote:
Tri-Banter wrote:
Who's Wanda?
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Since when did you people get so far behind on modern culture? Wanda is the country that the Black Panther is from


Thats Wakanda. Wanda is the Scarlett Witch...


She's hot, but I'll bet that cape isn't too aero (might even get caught in the spokes or cassette). I'd draft off her though - totally.

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I thought she was a fish, kkkkkkken.


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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [manofthewoods] [ In reply to ]
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manofthewoods wrote:
bluemonkeytri wrote:
Tri-Banter wrote:
Who's Wanda?
—-

Since when did you people get so far behind on modern culture? Wanda is the country that the Black Panther is from


Thats Wakanda. Wanda is the Scarlett Witch...



She's hot, but I'll bet that cape isn't too aero (might even get caught in the spokes or cassette). I'd draft off her though - totally.


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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [Per] [ In reply to ]
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Per wrote:
I thought she was a fish, kkkkkkken.

wow, Kevin Kline is so young in that photo I barely recognized him. Never saw the movie. Any good?

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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [gshtrisport] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [mwanner13] [ In reply to ]
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mwanner13 wrote:
Aside from obvious blocking, the thing I didn’t like is that he looked back and then spit up in the air in my face. When I said something he said I shouldn’t be drafting. That’s a pretty shit move.

Yes, drafting is a shit move. What is your gripe?
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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [TIT] [ In reply to ]
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Your busting of the op's balls is neither funny nor clever. He tried to pass, they blocked him. That is their penalty, not the op's. Quit being that person.

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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [manofthewoods] [ In reply to ]
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wow, Kevin Kline is so young in that photo I barely recognized him. Never saw the movie. Any good?

It's meh. Kind of funny but like most movies of that era, the style of comedy hasn't aged all that well. I'd give it 3.5 stars if on the trainer, but only 1.6 if sitting in the living room, and that's being generous, mainly because you see some of JLC's flesh.
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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [rsmoylan] [ In reply to ]
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There is clearly more to it than OP has said. You don't get spat on and called out for drafting if you tried to pass, get blocked and then take some action to ensure you are riding within the rules.
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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [mwanner13] [ In reply to ]
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mwanner13 wrote:
Lol. You guys kill me. Wish I hadn’t even posted a speed. OP has been derailed...


Maybe had you posted a comment to the Cry like a little biatch here. thread there would be less ball-bustin'. But I'll offer my Wanda:



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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [mwanner13] [ In reply to ]
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Did you try yelling "on your left" super loud at them? I found that helpful when people block like that.

I may not actually be on their left, but in saying "on your left", it helps to get the point across.
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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [rsmoylan] [ In reply to ]
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rsmoylan wrote:
Your busting of the op's balls is neither funny nor clever. He tried to pass, they blocked him. That is their penalty, not the op's. Quit being that person.

Wow, Sally, do we have to put everything in pink?

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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [daswafford] [ In reply to ]
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I did yell “On your left”. It’s why they moved over but it was too late. They blocked me because the pack was too big. They all couldn’t move out of the way fast enough.

daswafford wrote:
Did you try yelling "on your left" super loud at them? I found that helpful when people block like that.

I may not actually be on their left, but in saying "on your left", it helps to get the point across.
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Re: Lousy Riders at Chat 70.3 [japarker24] [ In reply to ]
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japarker24 wrote:
rsmoylan wrote:
Your busting of the op's balls is neither funny nor clever. He tried to pass, they blocked him. That is their penalty, not the op's. Quit being that person.

Wow, Sally, do we have to put everything in pink?

First we have to find out who Wanda is. Now who the hell is Sally?

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