I didn't say the contrary did I...just that everything in sport is dirty...a lot more dirty than anyone expects, clearly...

Agreed. All else aside, telling a blackmailer to piss off and then come forward anyways takes some balls.

thanks, great quotes.

he's got the guts to stand behind what he believes. i salute that.

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Sure sounded like it...

never mind the arbitrators.. Floyd is the only one Lemond told his secret to. Floyd told Will. That in my mind was a despicable breach of confidence, and I no longer care what happens to Floyd, in fact I'm rooting for his defeat, shame and disgrace. I wanted to believe Floyd, but if he's capable of this, he's probably capable of doping too.

Would you tell your deepest darkest secret to someone who isn't even your friend and expect it to ge held in strict confidence? Real friends let secrets about those they love slip out.

So this guy who nobody likes calls me up on the phone, is clearly my adversary, tells me something in confidence that I have no interest in even knowing, and then plans to testify against me. And testify using what as ammunition... something I told him in confidence.

Doesn't anyone else see the hypocrisy here?... I'm going to breach your confidence publicly in a way that can destroy you. How dare you breach mine???

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To get back to the topic here, it seems to me that Lemond used the "secret" in order to gain Landis trust. Sharing a deep secret with someone is a way to bond with that person, even if that person is not your friend. It's a tactic that a lot of con artists and psychopaths use to gain trust from their victims.

Actually, Floyd called Greg, not the other way around.

Not really. It's part of healing for Lemond and he was trying to prove a point of how secrets can eat you up inside.

So Floyd calls Lemond, someone who he has never spoken to, to confront him about his public accusations and Lemond decides that this is the guy he is going to tell this alleged horrible, haunting secret to?!?!?!

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People tell strangers a lot more then their own family sometimes...

"I mean, I think they didn't want me coming here today. I don't know why. If you didn't do anything wrong, what would you object for me to be here?

While I have not followed the Lemond Against the Cycling World vs Lemond the Attention Whore vs Lemond the Anti-Drug King debates (forgive me, I don't read the cycling e-zine sites), I have been puzzled by the above quote ever since I read it last night.

Lemond was testifying for the single purpose of relating the phone conversation he had with Landis in August of last year (I believe) shortly after the Tour. If true, it is very damning testimony. How can he not be aware of why the defense wouldn't want him there? To make that comment is either just plain stupid, or ridiculously rhetorical.

It is further disturbing the way he phrases "If you didn't do anything wrong, what would you object for me to be here?" It almost seems to be a challenge to his own veracity. Very, very strange.

Then, the very foundation for this telephone conversation seems to have been completely glossed over. According to others posting on this thread, Lemond and Landis weren't even aquaintences before last summer. Is that really true? If so, how could Landis possibly open up to Lemond who has either been on a crusade or harboring a vendatta against Armstrong for alledged drug use, who clearly is a close associate of Landis? I think that either Landis had some prior relationship with Lemond or else this whole episode makes no sense.

Of course, on the defense side, Landis's manager making the cell phone call smacks of eighth grade stupidity. Even if he acted entirely on his own, which I have to assume is the case, it cost Landis a ton of credibility. Lemonds' testimony was a he said - she said matter at best, and the defense clearly raised credibility issues just on Lemonds' past actions. Now, the manager has given Lemond credibility, and the abuse story has made Lemond instantly admirable. It also seems to have given Lemond a lot of new ammunition.

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I think this is the $64,000 question. Either Lemond is a con artist, evil person out for personal gain _or_ he genuinely was trying to help Floyd out. I am not really a big Lemon fan, but I think he, like a lot of people held Floyd up on a pedestal as the new face of the tour: Clean cut and hard work pays off. I think if Greg heard Lance failed a test, he would rejoice, but Floyd failing was just bad for everyone.

"People tell strangers a lot more then their own family sometimes"

Yeah, just look at this forum.

My 2 cents, they are all dopers. Where there is smoke, there's fire.... Did anyone read the article about Victor Conte the other day? Someone linked to it here. You have to be frickin' naive to believe that you can get to the very top of most professional sports today without the help of these substances.

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One thing you have to remember is that Lemond held up Landis as being clean at one point, then Landis got busted and a lot of people commented about the egg on Lemonds face so he has a lot to gain by going after Landis. I am actually a big fan of Lemond, the cyclist, as he was one of my inspirations to start racing back in the 80's, but I think as a retired cyclists he has been very self-serving, concerned mainly with his reputation as the best American ever. He has made a lot of comments without proof. His main comments about doping have been about the two other Tour winning Americans and about how doping was one of the big reasons he had to retire. He really doesn't rail on other riders who have been busted or talk about the doping that surely went on when he was riding. Whether it is or not it all sounds very self-serving and petty.

edit: I don;t know if Lemond was molested or not and don't make claims one way or another about his admission, I simply find it odd that he tells Landis of all people during that call.

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time for you to STFU- lemond was called as a witness, what the hell is he suppossed to do- he's just telling it like it is- nothing wrong with that.

Do you want me to merge this thread with the dirty secret thread?

Is this what Cycling is about nowadays?

Wierd shit....

You're forgetting that there's no way in hell Lemond would have been called as a witness if he hadn't spent half his time since the end of the 2006 tour sounding off in the media and maanging to get Lndis riled enough to call him leading to all this nonsense. He's certainly not a disinterested party or even an expert witness in these proceedings.

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Greg Lemond is the only American to win the Tour de France.........................at least in his own mind.
This is just another black eye on American cycling.

"Doesn't anyone else see the hypocrisy here?... I'm going to breach your confidence publicly in a way that can destroy you. How dare you breach mine???"

sorry, I don't see the hypocrisy. If Floyd doped, that was his choice, taken as an adult, and he damned well needs to take the consequences. Being sexually abused as a child is not a choice, OK ? The secrets are a bit different.
Paulo's observation that the telling of secrets to induce a confidence in return, is a con-artist trick: may be closer, but I don't know Lemond. Maybe he really does care about cycling ?
Either way this isn't about Lemond, it's about Floyd. Betraying a confidence of that nature is not the act of a good or honest man. Will was his friend and his business manager, and Will's actions are beyond despicable. Who your friends are says something about you too..

Yah! What kind of jerk has friends like Will who care about what happens to them and wants to protect them from self-inflated wackos with very questionable credibility (ie Lemond)?

I say questionable credibility because I find it VERY hard to belive that a person who is quite well known to prattle on and make phony accusations continuously (as he did with Lance) would recieve a phone call from anyone and get any sort of confession about doping.

BTW, I am not saying what Will did was right, just probably what he thought was right at the time.

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how do we make the asshole (lemond) go away?

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