Still easily one of my top races, if not my favorite. But how about that middle school transition and hike up a trail due to bridge collapsing shortly before the race!

For all the people referencing the TdF

https://www.google.com/...024-edition-in-nice/

It all fits well with the ambitions of Nice

https://monacolife.net/...rist-spot-in-france/

Most, if not all, team sports do this, so it is nothing revolutionary. Soccer WC in England was very successful, final in fully sold-out Wembley, similarly ice-hockey WC in Finland played in sold out arenas and media attention triathlon will never achieve.

how do you get 2500 women to race WC in Nice 2024?
I am pretty sure man will be ok and if not IM will simply announce the Nice WC will have 500 slot for Hawaii the following year, but for Women it seems very optimistic.

I think so..

but I would be expectating with three topics
- if Ironman would be able to manage the "variable" demand of more people willing to go to WC when the final is Hawaii, than the odd year (where the demand would be higher for "local athletes").
- I really think that womens WC in Kona would be even more interesting than any men WC everywhere.. but... in 2024, how would be the demand of women WC everywhere in 2024? I really think that Ironman SHALL change many things in the Media coverage (similar than PTO) to be able to mantain the interest in the WC (it is not one but two events in separate dates/separate locations).
- I really expect a HIGH number of roll downs this year, and a high number of deferral to WC2024 in men. And depending in the date even more.... September in Europe would be to early (many people racing in July).

My opinion is that Ironman is doing all their work for increasing the profit in the short term increasing their product cost but also they are decreasing the PRODUCT value and the demand..

I would remember: 2023 WC Slot costs 1600 EUR (It is 1 month salary for many). For many.. we can afford once in life 5000-10000EUR travel... to live a dream. Not so many people to do same effort to race a WC everywhere. If Triathlon would be a sport with strong sponsors.. but it is not.

AH!!! I would remember... they are willing to increase cost, reduce the value and increase the number of athletes... they may thing that demand is infinite, but it is not.

Bless you Felix...Hahahahahaha

The way I see this, it's very simple. Ironman sold 5000 tickets specifically saying "welcome to Kona" for an event with just 2500 seats, on the flimsy hope they would somehow secure 2500 additional seats. For me, this is worthy of Fyre Festival or Woodstock 99 event management skills. It's that simple.

Haha gold. Can't wait to race there next year!

That's gold!! We need a like button.

So what's the future for Ironman France on the same course in June, beyond next year?

If there's a significant price disparity between IM France in June and the WC in November, aside from the pros and those in the hunt for an AG podium, how attractive will the lure of a Nice WC be for many triathletes?

I had not thought of that. Excellent point.

I heard they are moving the Tour De France to Florida next year so more regular people can enter!



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I raced the original incarnation of IM Japan, as well as several ultras there in subsequent years. There's an idiosyncratic graciousness and enthusiasm with which they host visiting athletes. It's a shame IM Japan has dropped off the calendar. As a race (and holiday) destination, Japan really delivers.

I'm not sure why you write in pink with a comment seemingly unrelated to what I wrote.

But since you're replying to me directly, I'd like to make you aware of the fact that any reference to Tour de France does the opposite of what you think it does. If anything it sustains the idea of an Ironman World Championship that rotates and isn't held in Kona.
- the Tour de France is a pro only race
- in the Tour de France the Women and Men race are held separately, on different dates, with a different route
- the Tour de France regularly goes through other countries. In 2023 it will start in Bilbao, Spain
- the Tour de France is not the Cycling World Championships
- the UCI Road Cycling World Championships are held in a different place every year. 2022 was in Australia, 2023 will be in Scotland
- the closest thing to an amateur experience of Tour de France is called "Etape du Tour" and has events everywhere in the world. None of them is a World Championship.
- the world championship amateur event for road cycling is the UCI Gran Fondo World Championships and is held separately from the UCI Road Cycling World Championships

To this point, would a totally new venue be more attractive for '23 WC? Oahu? I know it's always hit or miss with logistics for a new race venue, but that might excite some athletes.

Most people in my community (UK based so obviously this is biased as Nice is much easier to get to) see this as a very positive move. Many of my training friends had no interest in racing Kona next year but are already really excited at the prospect of qualifying and racing at Nice, within this group are 4 athletes that have won overall Age group at IM events and will be aiming for a bowl at (hopefully) Nice. I appreciate this is a small set of opinions but I am sure that there is similar excitement all throughout the European triathlon communities. I think if it is confirmed as Nice then it is going to be more difficult to qualify (in Europe) and the racing at the front of the Age group field will be more competitive than Kona.

Again this is a very biased European view and there is no doubt that the handling of already allocated mens 2023 slots is a bit of a headache but the sentiment I've seen from this side of the Atlantic is quite positive

This last kona had non of the expo hype, give aways, atmosphere of years before it. It was a huge let down in that regard. The sponsors used to do so much and they did nothing this round. Expo at a regular ironman was better.

Sadly kona was a joke compared to the past. And now Ironman is a joke, its a sad day. Kona is what made we start tri , watching the coverage in 90s . 1st time i went it was amazing experience, 2022, not even close. Messick has destroyed this event.

The birth of the sport thing was not in Hawaii. It was in fiesta island in 1974 in SD.
And that’s just for triathlon named as such. There were triathlons in France in the early 1920s called “course des trois sports”.
So Kona is not where triathlon was born. Including Ironman since it was first held on Oahu.

For once a comment I agree about Nice. Yes the bike is fantastic but 4 out and backs along the promenade sure isn’t very exciting.

Lol that is awesome. One more reason to love Roth.

Didn't Ironman create this nightmarish scenario by registering people for an event that had not been approved and that the mayor had said publicly might not be approved?

Mayor: 2-day running of Ironman not set in stone (October 10, 2022)

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it doesn't matter where Triathlon started for first time, it doesn't matter if first ironman races
the Ironman dream bornt in Hawaii, and for most it is not relevant if it was in Oahu or Kailua Kona.

Most of triathletes grew up in this sports with a dream, a dream that has been feed by a company. It was a packet of things, but World Championships is only a name, a name that gives them a reason for doing Qualifying events (instead of a lotery or a "1minute registration sold out").

Ironman is willing to change the Ironman Paradigma, in my opinion too quick: because they have increased number of places, the price and changed the location... it can be a big success but there are also a high risk of fail.

To be honest: Ironman Hawaii 2019 and earlier was a sold out event with a really few number of athletes rejecting their oportunities to take an slot. 2022 event had the highest number of slots rejected because the price of the registration, the overal cost and the format... as said, I would like to see if they will reduce the number of rejections with this move or if they will increase the number of people rejecting an slot... and further more.. if they sold out an Event of 2500 men paying 1600 EUR to race outside Kona.

But a 4 loop run course brings one by their family/friends multiple times. I think that alone makes up for some of the repetitiveness, and the long death march back from the energy lab is very, very lonely.... I love hard, hard bike courses and run courses that are smaller and more involved with the city/community (like many marathons) so the race energy is high. Nice is a perfect balance of that.

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the reality is that Nice will be more competitive than kona ,

https://www.tri247.com/triathlon-news/age-group/ironman-kona-2022-results-age-group-podium



if we look at top 5 places in the age groups from 25 to 64 ,from kona 2022 ie 96 people
its will be easier for about 55 people to go to Nice than kona
and then it also depends where the top americans , Canadians and Brazilians live but i guess likely for 15 or so it will be as easy or easier to go to nice than kona.

By and large or roughly at a ratio for 3 out of 4 , it will be easier for the best age groupers to go to the world champs every 2nd year. if they are in Europe

for the 65 plus ,the level could go down a bit as this is still dominated by usa and canada but even there maybe a lot come from florida and montreal and toronto, so its hard to say.

Kona is Kona, and has not any alternative

a WC outside Kona has many alternatives: PTO events.