the three elements of fitness are,
1-cardio
2-strenght training
3- stretching
P90X offer those three.
Formely stef32
1-cardio
2-strenght training
3- stretching
P90X offer those three.
Formely stef32
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Re: P90X = Very Cool [E-bolah]
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Re: P90X = Very Cool [kdw]
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MUSCLE CONFUSION!!!!!
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Re: P90X = Very Cool [btmoney]
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Is your fiance a dude? Lots of dudes are into the Crossfit look.
Re: P90X = Very Cool [E-bolah]
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If you mean multisport as in triathlon than no the best multisport athlete is the one that goes the fastest, you don't get time deducted for having abs.
Re: P90X = Very Cool [Giant Steps]
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you mean the collective ST wisdom mafia
Re: P90X = Very Cool [lschmidt]
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Because most triathletes couldn't do a pullup to save their life, is one reason. I wouldn't say P90X, specifically, is required...but a little cross training goes a long way IMO.[/reply]
Many Kenyans can't do a pullup either, and they can faster than most people on earth.
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Re: P90X = Very Cool [TRI]
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1. Because you will will become more flexible, which most triathletes could use more of.
Why exactly?
2. Because it works your core, which most triathletes could use more of.
Abs aren't your core, unless you topple backwards on a regular basis. Lots of other things involved which have nothing to do with the abs.
3. Because it works on your balance and coordination. Always a plus.
4. Because it is a change of pace from the daily swim, bike, run.
Which is constructive to triathletes how exactly? Maybe swimming, biking, running faster slower is the only change of pace that is required.
5. Because most triathletes could use some strength training.
Why, exactly?
6. Because it saves you time, since you can workout from home.
You can't do other short exercises from home? Like running? Or cycling?
7. Because it saves you money over a gym membership.
Why would you have a gym membership?
8. Because if you do the program, you will be in better overall shape than when you began (Flexibility, Core, Strength...)
Define "in shape". Even junkies have ripped abs. Triathletes aren't healthy/fit? Can't do stretching after a swim/bike/run?
The more I hear about the virtues of what "core" is supposed to do for people it verges on beings snake oil. Not to mention the sheer ignorance if what actually the "core" involves. And the strength argument.... oh for a dead horse.
Re: P90X = Very Cool [lschmidt]
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REALLY?
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Re: P90X = Very Cool [TRI]
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This is simply another one of those topics, like politics, abortion et al, that no matter how many points are made by either side it it all comes down to personal choice. Strength train, or don't strength train. Personally strength training bores me to death, the things I already do keep me in fine shape. As for pullups, when I was heavily into rock climbing, I had a huge pullup workout I did twice a week, regular, weighted, unevens, and a few more. Is there irrefutable evidence that strength training will make you a faster triathlete? Well I can tell you that I've beaten many very muscular guys half my age, so I'll just stick with swim, bike, run, surf.
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Re: P90X = Very Cool [nicetri!]
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P90x causes hair loss ? :0)
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Re: P90X = Very Cool [TRI]
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Fun fact: Maren (German Potato Soup girl), spent most of her film career in hardcore porn (1998 - 2005).
Re: P90X = Very Cool [TRI]
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Now you are ready for some serious snow shoveling.
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Re: P90X = Very Cool [E-bolah]
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I considered that and Insanity but settled into Crossfit after my research was finished. Suffering with fellow extremists is better IMHO because if your heart stops there is always someone there to begin chest compressions. This brings me to rule # 3 of Crossfit:
Always introduce yourself to people you work out with. They might be the one to revive you after you bonk and lose your pulse.
Good work on the bod, keep it up!
Gravity
Always introduce yourself to people you work out with. They might be the one to revive you after you bonk and lose your pulse.
Good work on the bod, keep it up!
Gravity
Re: P90X = Very Cool [formerfatass]
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Great - now that's all I'm gonna be able to think about the next time I do chest & back.
BTW, Audra from the yoga video is hot.
Re: P90X = Very Cool [formerfatass]
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Ah ha ha ha! I read up on that, watched some videos and... stuff. Turns out it's true. I also didn't realize that P90X is from 2003, after which Maren apparently did some more movies.
Re: P90X = Very Cool [Tapeworm]
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Tapeworm,
You really speak from ignorance. P90X includes Kenpo, Yoga and Plyometric workouts, all of which have moves that engage your core. I never said that the ab ripper was the only core component to P90X.
You really need to educate yourself on triathlon training. Maybe you should go to the library and pick up books written by some of the greats of triathlon like Scott Tinley, Dave Scott, Mark Allen, the list goes on ... You will find that most of these books include chapters dedicated to strength training.
How many triathletes actually stretch after doing a swim or bike workout? I would say that the percentage is pretty low. Unless these triathletes are doing yoga or have dedicated time where they stretch, they are probably not as flexible as they should be.
I recently attended an event where Chris McCormick was talking about downtime from swim, bike, run. He basically said you need to step away from that type of training every year to refocus, enjoy life and to give your body a rest from those exercises.
I have been doing triathlons since 1988. I considered myself pretty fit until I started doing the P90X videos. What I have found is I am not as flexible as I should be, my core isn't as strong as it should be and I am not as strong as I would like to be. Now I am sure I could become more flexible, increase core strength and overall strength by doing various exercises, but P90X takes the guess work out of the equation. Just do the videos and you will achieve results. Now if you are worried about getting too bulky, just do lighter weights and higher reps. I don't think I have run across anyone who has gained weight doing the videos. Everyone I have talked to has lost weight and were in better shape.
You really speak from ignorance. P90X includes Kenpo, Yoga and Plyometric workouts, all of which have moves that engage your core. I never said that the ab ripper was the only core component to P90X.
You really need to educate yourself on triathlon training. Maybe you should go to the library and pick up books written by some of the greats of triathlon like Scott Tinley, Dave Scott, Mark Allen, the list goes on ... You will find that most of these books include chapters dedicated to strength training.
How many triathletes actually stretch after doing a swim or bike workout? I would say that the percentage is pretty low. Unless these triathletes are doing yoga or have dedicated time where they stretch, they are probably not as flexible as they should be.
I recently attended an event where Chris McCormick was talking about downtime from swim, bike, run. He basically said you need to step away from that type of training every year to refocus, enjoy life and to give your body a rest from those exercises.
I have been doing triathlons since 1988. I considered myself pretty fit until I started doing the P90X videos. What I have found is I am not as flexible as I should be, my core isn't as strong as it should be and I am not as strong as I would like to be. Now I am sure I could become more flexible, increase core strength and overall strength by doing various exercises, but P90X takes the guess work out of the equation. Just do the videos and you will achieve results. Now if you are worried about getting too bulky, just do lighter weights and higher reps. I don't think I have run across anyone who has gained weight doing the videos. Everyone I have talked to has lost weight and were in better shape.
Re: P90X = Very Cool [TRI]
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"I recently attended an event where Chris McCormick was talking about downtime from swim bike, run. He basically said you need to step away from that type of training every year to refocus, enjoy life and to give your body a rest from those exercises."
Easy for him to say!
Easy for him to say!
Re: P90X = Very Cool [nicetri!]
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now i won't say P90X is the "make me faster" training that one should or should not be doing. I have a set of videos, in fact i have had them for 4years. i haven't had a time that i felt like using them, yet.
i am willing to bet the exercise's in the video's didn't make this guy faster. but, i am willing to be he CAN be faster after doing this program. look at him, his power/weight has to have improved. i doubt he got weaker and he has gotten lighter or at least has changed his BMI.
i would guess the Hair cut alone is worth :30sec/mile.....
do P90X or don't..... it's your call.
i would think i could benifit from doing the work outs....... of course i could likely benifit the same from a focus on my nutrition.
it does look like the cat liked the old version of him better though
My before pic:
My after picture:
Tim
i am willing to bet the exercise's in the video's didn't make this guy faster. but, i am willing to be he CAN be faster after doing this program. look at him, his power/weight has to have improved. i doubt he got weaker and he has gotten lighter or at least has changed his BMI.
i would guess the Hair cut alone is worth :30sec/mile.....
do P90X or don't..... it's your call.
i would think i could benifit from doing the work outs....... of course i could likely benifit the same from a focus on my nutrition.
it does look like the cat liked the old version of him better though
My before pic:
My after picture:
Tim
Re: P90X = Very Cool [TRI]
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I wasn't aware that Tinley, Scott, Allen, et al. were exercise physiologists or even had the appropriate background to recommend training to others. Just because they did it doesn't mean that everyone (or even anyone) else should do it. "Appeal to authority" is a logical fallacy. And, as many here have pointed out ad nauseum, when anyone here puts in the hours and has the years of base that those guys have, then they can knock themselves out in the weight room for that final .1%. There are reasons why some of the best in the world in swimming, biking and running got there without strength training.
Point out any place that flexibility is a limiter in triathlon. Anyone can get in an aerodynamic position on the bike: it's holding it for extended periods of time that is the issue, and that's due to endurance, not flexibility.
This nonsense about "core" is, well, nonsense. I think you need to understand better the concept of specificity. You don't need flexibility, "core strength" or overall strength to excel at triathlon.
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Re: P90X = Very Cool [nicetri!]
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Excellent results! Just wondering - Did you follow the P90X nutrition guide as well? (What kind of soup you got?)
Re: P90X = Very Cool [TRI]
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I think that P-90X as a stand alone generic program is not bad, but it is not what I would recommend to triathletes. It is not a bad choice as a single exercise program for a person who has limited time though. For triathletes, especially those with limited time, I would focus more on basic strength and forget about all the metabolic conditioning and cardio type sets in P90X. Triathletes have plenty of cardio fitness already. However, none of this will make a triathlete go faster (and may make them slower) but will help with activities of everyday living like carrying stuff and not having the upper body of a 16 year old girl ; ).
Re: P90X = Very Cool [klehner]
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Ken, you say that staying in the aero position is not a function of flexibility or "core strength but instead it is a function of endurance.
I can only assume you are talking about muscular endurance which of course comes from actively engaging those muscle groups. Whether someone chooses to use P90X, or some other form of training to achieve it the end result is the same.
A strong, flexible core is going to give you the ability to A) get lower - therefore possibly more aero and thus faster, and B) the ability to stay there longer while still maintaining power output.
A strong, flexible core is more than just having a six pack, and that I think is TRI's point about P90X, it gives you a complete body workout in several different areas.
Disclaimer: I have never done the P90X program but am familiar with the workouts, and I do come from a Kinesiology/Biomechanics background.
I can only assume you are talking about muscular endurance which of course comes from actively engaging those muscle groups. Whether someone chooses to use P90X, or some other form of training to achieve it the end result is the same.
A strong, flexible core is going to give you the ability to A) get lower - therefore possibly more aero and thus faster, and B) the ability to stay there longer while still maintaining power output.
A strong, flexible core is more than just having a six pack, and that I think is TRI's point about P90X, it gives you a complete body workout in several different areas.
Disclaimer: I have never done the P90X program but am familiar with the workouts, and I do come from a Kinesiology/Biomechanics background.
Re: P90X = Very Cool [TRI]
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So where did 'kdw' go after 'nicetri' posted the pictures of his change in body shape? did he crawl back in the hole he came out of ?
Looks like a little resistance work made a big change in nicetri's overall triathlon shape to me, great job nicetri btw.
Looks like a little resistance work made a big change in nicetri's overall triathlon shape to me, great job nicetri btw.
you should see how "flexible" my core is right now....... it's down right Mushy!
Tim
Tim