You're dodging our questions, I don't have a problem with you believing that but to say its a moral issue backed up by right and wrong, you need to objectively state why it's wrong, not why you don't like it, that's subjective, you're mixing the two. If you can provide a logical rebuttal to my car example that will give your logic credibility, but there is no way you can object to peeing in the pool for the reasons you state and think its ok to drive a car that pollutes the air we all breathe.
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Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [guppie58]
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Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [HXB]
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Totally agree. Also don't know why this person feels the need to foist their own sense of morality on the rest of us. There's so much more to life than trying to get others to follow your own particular moral code.
As to the original topic it seems like responses MOSTLY break down into those who were on swim teams starting at a young age who have absolutely no problem with peeing in a pool and those who have come to swimming at a later stage in life who tend to have more of a problem. I swam competitively from the age of 8 until I was 21 and played water polo from 14-28 and I never met a single soul in either program who even gave a seconds thought to this question, we all just peed in the pool and got on with practice/game.
As to the original topic it seems like responses MOSTLY break down into those who were on swim teams starting at a young age who have absolutely no problem with peeing in a pool and those who have come to swimming at a later stage in life who tend to have more of a problem. I swam competitively from the age of 8 until I was 21 and played water polo from 14-28 and I never met a single soul in either program who even gave a seconds thought to this question, we all just peed in the pool and got on with practice/game.
Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [guppie58]
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TravisT wrote:
guppie58 wrote:
AlanShearer wrote:
You've yet to convince me that there's anything wrong with something that (1) is not against any rule*, (2) doesn't impact anyone negatively, (3) nobody is ever likely to know about, and (4) is generally considered acceptable behavior among competitive/serious swimmers. *It's not mentioned in the posted pool rules at the club where I swim. (Showering before entering the pool is.)
It's pretty sad that you need a posted rule not to pee in a public rule. I'd be worried about what else you do when there are no posted rules. Like I said before, just because a lot of people do it, doesn't mean I'm going to lower myself to their standards. No amount of justification you do will change the fact that I see those that pee in the pool as lazy, immature and disrespectful. We are all raised by different set of morals and values.
A hate filled PM is uncalled for, taking your word for what was in it, but so is your description above. Just as disturbing.
I was going to cut and paste the PM, but why feed a troll. I grew up with a pool. My parents raised me to actually pee in the bathroom and not in the pool. Thus I was raised that peeing in the pool is immoral (see definition of morals). Part of my issue is also the thought of actually peeing on myself. The only time I've peed in a wetsuit was at 250+ feet scuba diving. Most tri's have porta potties at the swim entrance or near T-area. I find using those rest rooms beats peeing on myself. I don't really care that it is sterile. Using that as justification, please let me pee in your next drink.
I'm far more disturbed by your ability to consider pissing in a pool a moral issue then any amount of urine that might end up in the water I swim in. Be it pool or open water. It must be tough living in any proximity to you with those attitudes. Also, triathlon may just be a hobby for you and that's great but if you're serious about competing learn to pee on the bike or while running. It can be the difference between podium spots and I speak from experience..
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Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [TravisT]
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Maybe if this guy spent more time training and less time contemplating meaningless topics such as this he would be faster and then be more inclined to not waste 2 minutes pulling off the bike to take a leak.... Just say'n
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Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [HXB]
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You're dodging our questions, I don't have a problem with you believing that but to say its a moral issue backed up by right and wrong, you need to objectively state why it's wrong, not why you don't like it, that's subjective, you're mixing the two. If you can provide a logical rebuttal to my car example that will give your logic credibility, but there is no way you can object to peeing in the pool for the reasons you state and think its ok to drive a car that pollutes the air we all breathe.What's the alternative to driving a car (given the distance of my commute)? Not having a job and living off welfare? The Democrats would love that, but I really don't see that as an option. The alternative to peeing in the pool is 50 feet away: locker room. I'm not trying to push my morals on anyone. Like I said, I grew-up with a pool. My parents raised me to pee in the bathroom prior to entering a pool, thus raised that peeing in the pool was wrong. Not only that, my parents raised me to respect others. I see peeing in the pool as disrespectful, thus I don't do it. You may be in the lane next too me, tell me it's okay by you if I pee in the pool, and I still say no. I can hold it or simple walk to the rest room.
Using the excuse that you grew up peeing in the pool is weak. There are a lot of things I did as a kid that I no longer do today. I grew up and matured and no longer do those things.
I'm not trying to change your mind from peeing in the pool. I know people do it, yet I still go to the pool. I just don't do it and no level of justification will get me to pee on myself.
And for the person that said it must be hard to be around me because I have a different set of morals...well that's funny. I don't find it hard to be around people who have a different set of morals. I'm not that close minded. lol.
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Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [dmounts]
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Maybe if this guy spent more time training and less time contemplating meaningless topics such as this he would be faster and then be more inclined to not waste 2 minutes pulling off the bike to take a leak.... Just say'nThis is funny. Now you're implying that I don't train enough because I'd get off the bike and pee. I didn't know you kept my personal stats of training time and race time. I also didn't know you timed how long it takes me to pee. I'm starting to think you are stalking me.
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Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [dmounts]
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I believe sweat and urine are chemically similar. Not much to worry about I would think.
Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [guppie58]
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Good to know you don't mind spending time with such morally reprehensible people as those who would pee in a pool.
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Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [TravisT]
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I'm with Guppie on this one, though maybe not to the same degree. The argument that "everyone does it" doesn't really hold any weight, because there's tons of things that "everyone does" that are extremely horrible. I get out of the pool and "waste" that precious 1 minute of time training to go pee. As far as it being acceptable, next time you pee in the pool, announce it to everyone and see what their reaction is.
Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [captcandybars]
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I have no issue at all with someone feeling it is disgusting to pee in the pool or swim in it. That's a valid and fair opinion. Just don't start preaching about "moral" and how your parents are better cause they raised you "right".
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Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [TravisT]
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I have no issue at all with someone feeling it is disgusting to pee in the pool or swim in it. That's a valid and fair opinion. Just don't start preaching about "moral" and how your parents are better cause they raised you "right".+1
Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [captcandybars]
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Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [guppie58]
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dmounts wrote:
Maybe if this guy spent more time training and less time contemplating meaningless topics such as this he would be faster and then be more inclined to not waste 2 minutes pulling off the bike to take a leak.... Just say'nThis is funny. Now you're implying that I don't train enough because I'd get off the bike and pee. I didn't know you kept my personal stats of training time and race time. I also didn't know you timed how long it takes me to pee. I'm starting to think you are stalking me.
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Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [guppie58]
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AlanShearer wrote:
You've yet to convince me that there's anything wrong with something that (1) is not against any rule*, (2) doesn't impact anyone negatively, (3) nobody is ever likely to know about, and (4) is generally considered acceptable behavior among competitive/serious swimmers. *It's not mentioned in the posted pool rules at the club where I swim. (Showering before entering the pool is.)
It's pretty sad that you need a posted rule not to pee in a public rule. I'd be worried about what else you do when there are no posted rules. Like I said before, just because a lot of people do it, doesn't mean I'm going to lower myself to their standards. No amount of justification you do will change the fact that I see those that pee in the pool as lazy, immature and disrespectful. We are all raised by different set of morals and values.
It's not "public urination" if no one can see you do it. It's not like we're all whipping the big boy out on the pool deck and sending a big stream down into the pool. Now THAT would be public urination.
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Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [HXB]
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Then I'll be lazy and immature and disrespectful like Phelps and Lochte and every other olympic swimmer thats ever lived, you're simply not making a case as to why the water should somehow be lab quality pure H2O, I bet the air you breathe has more contaminants and harmful biological agents than a pool after mommy and me class. By your logic, you shouldn't be driving a car, given we know it causes pollution and bad air quality yet you do it anyway, isn't that lazy, immature and disrespectful?Ya, I believe every aspiring swimmer of even medium dedication has peed in the pool on a regular basis, given their many, many 2 - 3 hr WOs.
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Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [captcandybars]
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I can't believe this one is STILL going....
everyone does NOT do it.... I've been doing squads for 25+ years and there has NEVER been a coach I've had that was cool with the pee in the pool.
Agree with the comments that it's 1 min of your time.
Now open water swimming in the ocean.... for another thread....
everyone does NOT do it.... I've been doing squads for 25+ years and there has NEVER been a coach I've had that was cool with the pee in the pool.
Agree with the comments that it's 1 min of your time.
Now open water swimming in the ocean.... for another thread....
Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [Atak Kat]
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Turns out you could argue that you are allowed to pee in my local pool, but are you wearing the correct swimming attire?
- Suitable clean swim attire must be worn at all times......
- Non-toilet trained children must wear aqua nappies.
- Suitable clean swim attire must be worn at all times......
- Non-toilet trained children must wear aqua nappies.
Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [guppie58]
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HXB wrote:
Then I'll be lazy and immature and disrespectful like Phelps and Lochte and every other olympic swimmer thats ever lived, you're simply not making a case as to why the water should somehow be lab quality pure H2O, I bet the air you breathe has more contaminants and harmful biological agents than a pool after mommy and me class. By your logic, you shouldn't be driving a car, given we know it causes pollution and bad air quality yet you do it anyway, isn't that lazy, immature and disrespectful?Tell you what, the day you swim in the olympics I'll understand why you pee in the pool.
I find it easy to label it immoral since I was raised to see the difference between right and wrong. I see peeing in the pool as wrong. Plus with it so easy to hit the restroom, I find one's that won't use the rest room as lazy. It appears you are proud to be lazy, immature and disrespectful. Your justification is that the 'pro's' do it. LOL. Society needs people like you....you make the rest of us look good. :)
So, Olympians are subject to a different moral bar than the rest of the unwashed masses. Cool. Where is the cutoff though? Will you allow NCAA finalists to urinate at their leisure? Nationals qualifiers? Country Club league runner ups? How fast must one be to pee in the pool without imperiling their immortal souls?
Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [chriskal]
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guppie58 wrote:
HXB wrote:
Then I'll be lazy and immature and disrespectful like Phelps and Lochte and every other olympic swimmer thats ever lived, you're simply not making a case as to why the water should somehow be lab quality pure H2O, I bet the air you breathe has more contaminants and harmful biological agents than a pool after mommy and me class. By your logic, you shouldn't be driving a car, given we know it causes pollution and bad air quality yet you do it anyway, isn't that lazy, immature and disrespectful?Tell you what, the day you swim in the olympics I'll understand why you pee in the pool.
I find it easy to label it immoral since I was raised to see the difference between right and wrong. I see peeing in the pool as wrong. Plus with it so easy to hit the restroom, I find one's that won't use the rest room as lazy. It appears you are proud to be lazy, immature and disrespectful. Your justification is that the 'pro's' do it. LOL. Society needs people like you....you make the rest of us look good. :)
So, Olympians are subject to a different moral bar than the rest of the unwashed masses. Cool. Where is the cutoff though? Will you allow NCAA finalists to urinate at their leisure? Nationals qualifiers? Country Club league runner ups? How fast must one be to pee in the pool without imperiling their immortal souls?
Since you were a backstroker, let's say sub-1:00 for 100 back, SCY.
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Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [chriskal]
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How fast must one be to pee in the pool without imperiling their immortal souls?
Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [sharkbait_au]
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chriskal wrote:
How fast must one be to pee in the pool without imperiling their immortal souls?Fast enough to swim out of your own piss.
We should suggest this as a project for kid doing triathlon maths:)
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Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [sharkbait_au]
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I just have a hard time to believe, that anyone who is that much against peeing in the pool (and really not seeing why people would do it) has ever done just a singe real swim workout. And I am not talking about swimming X times 500 alone until you feel like you have enough. I have stepped out of the pool before on workouts were I was alone and felt like I needed a little rest anyway. But swimming 30*100 with a squat and maybe 8s rest and 5s apart. NO WAY would not just disturb me but others as well.
Other question to the people who say they just go the 50m to the restroom. Imagine you do a track workout with a team. Something like 20*400m with a minute rest. Now after 15 you really need to pee. So you could either go 150m to the clubhouse and use the restroom resulting in a missed interval or just piss on the next tree 10m away.
And seriously how can anyone not pee in the wetsuit before the start. For me it just has to do with the excitement before the race. Just can not hold it back. I used to row and have stood up in a eight before just to "calm my nerves" before a race :-)
Other question to the people who say they just go the 50m to the restroom. Imagine you do a track workout with a team. Something like 20*400m with a minute rest. Now after 15 you really need to pee. So you could either go 150m to the clubhouse and use the restroom resulting in a missed interval or just piss on the next tree 10m away.
And seriously how can anyone not pee in the wetsuit before the start. For me it just has to do with the excitement before the race. Just can not hold it back. I used to row and have stood up in a eight before just to "calm my nerves" before a race :-)
Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [ericmulk]
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Hallelujah. I'm saved. I'm going to guzzle a pitcher of water and head over to the club right now in celebration.
Re: Nothing Wrong With Peeing In The Pool [jakob1989]
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I just have a hard time to believe, that anyone who is that much against peeing in the pool (and really not seeing why people would do it) has ever done just a singe real swim workout. And I am not talking about swimming X times 500 alone until you feel like you have enough. I have stepped out of the pool before on workouts were I was alone and felt like I needed a little rest anyway. But swimming 30*100 with a squat and maybe 8s rest and 5s apart. NO WAY would not just disturb me but others as well. Other question to the people who say they just go the 50m to the restroom. Imagine you do a track workout with a team. Something like 20*400m with a minute rest. Now after 15 you really need to pee. So you could either go 150m to the clubhouse and use the restroom resulting in a missed interval or just piss on the next tree 10m away.
And seriously how can anyone not pee in the wetsuit before the start. For me it just has to do with the excitement before the race. Just can not hold it back. I used to row and have stood up in a eight before just to "calm my nerves" before a race :-)
Careful now, you're really verging on "public urination" now!!!
"Anyone can be who they want to be IF they have the HUNGER and the DRIVE."
Maybe there is a different perspective in the US compared to Europe. (At least someone here told me, that you could be registered as a sex offender when someone sees you pissing on a tree what I find pretty disturbing)
Seriously with all the porn in the internet these days how can it be that much of a problem if you happen to see a penis flash up (and I mean in a totally non sexual way). When I used to live in Zürich and jumped in the lake for a quick swim after uni I newer bothered to bring a big towel (who got space to carry that around) with me to cover myself when changing into my swimshorts. That is like 2 seconds. Boxershorts down swimshorts up. And when someone accidentally saw my blank ass doing that so what. (Just to be clear I am not doing that in front of children on purpose or to offend anyone!)
But maybe that is a bit off topic now
Seriously with all the porn in the internet these days how can it be that much of a problem if you happen to see a penis flash up (and I mean in a totally non sexual way). When I used to live in Zürich and jumped in the lake for a quick swim after uni I newer bothered to bring a big towel (who got space to carry that around) with me to cover myself when changing into my swimshorts. That is like 2 seconds. Boxershorts down swimshorts up. And when someone accidentally saw my blank ass doing that so what. (Just to be clear I am not doing that in front of children on purpose or to offend anyone!)
But maybe that is a bit off topic now