Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [trail] [ In reply to ]

Jul 17, 22 8:54

Post #301 of 450 (6322 views)

trail wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

How does he have any idea Strickland was gaslighting Armstrong as opposed to her just being bat shit crazy?

His last text to Armstrong was pure gaslighting. He had just gone swimming with a romantic interest, and texted to Armstrong a lie that he was delivering flowers and his phone died. And, what do you want for dinner?

His other texts in the police affidavit indicate he was also gaslighting Wilson.

She's also batshit crazy, though.

My understanding of gaslighting, is that it is manipulating someone into thinking they are crazy. I don't see lying to cover your ass when you're cheating as necessarily having anything to do with that?

Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]

Jul 17, 22 9:06

Post #302 of 450 (6302 views)

ThisIsIt wrote:

I don't see lying to cover your ass when you're cheating as necessarily having anything to do with that?

Sure, there's judgment call to when lying becomes gaslighting. With Armstrong apparently feeling very paranoid about the relationship with Wilson, and Strickland creating a separate reality where he's delivering flowers and picking up dinner, that passes the bar to gaslighting pretty easily for me.

A better example of gaslighting, though is this text exchange with Wilson that ends with, "Hey Mo - I feel very shitty for putting you in a position where you don't feel comfortable..."

Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [justkeepedaling] [ In reply to ]

Jul 17, 22 10:26

Post #303 of 450 (6228 views)

justkeepedaling wrote:

TheStroBro wrote:

Murphy'sLaw wrote:

zooropa wrote:

NordicSkier wrote:

Fleck wrote:

Wow, this makes Strickland look even worse.......denied knowing the victim, at first questioning, and also the $450k "investment" money (he did ask for it back!)

Reading the Yahoo News story about some of the latest news on this case, my gut tells me there is all kinds of things about the behind-the-scenes goings on that will be coming out later. Maybe, Colin Strickland, was just really unlucky to hook-up with an exponentially overly jealous, ticking time-bomb of a psychopath woman . . . but perhaps he was not? Maybe he knows more than he's currently letting on - PURELY speculating and guessing her. No one really knows that this stage. There are always bizarre twists and turns in these murder cases that few people can predict!

That should take nothing away from the raw, terrible tragedy of this! She was a daughter, a friend, and a quickly emerging talent in All Terrain Racing!

Occam's razor.
Strickland wanted to bang/date Mo without his current girlfriend finding out. Dude had a rep as a player.
Armstrong found out, lost her shit, and killed Mo. Not much more complicated than that.
If this was anywhere with sane gun laws, they would have had nasty words and a fist fight, but it's Texas, so it's guns and death.

Curious…do you mean sane gun laws like Chicago or New York City? Or are you merely a lemming, piling on crazy ole’ Texas?

Because I’d wager Texas has far less shooting deaths than Illinois or New York…who have much stricter gun laws…

Then you’d lose that wager.

On a per-capita basis, red states are about 2x the level of gun-related deaths to blue states.
For the exact reason you’ (not you, clearly - generic ‘you’) would logically expect -
due to guns being far more prevalent and easily obtained in red states.

It’s almost as if more guns = more gun-related deaths?
Nah. That’s unpossible.

It’s not like Murcia leads the developed world in gun ownership, by a ridiculously huge margin.
And also leads the world in gun deaths, also by a ridiculously huge margin.

There is almost no difference per 100k between Illinois (14.1 Deaths) and Texas (14.2 Deaths).

Can you explain why Delaware and Louisiana are so high? Louisiana may be purple, but the gun crime comes from one city, which is BLUE as can be.

As has been explained before, if you have a place with strict gun laws surrounded by places that have none, that unfortunately doesn't fully work. It's essentially the same thing as COVID

Lol wtf, did you really just bring up COVID? Where none of the public health policies worked.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]

Jul 18, 22 13:09

Post #304 of 450 (5835 views)

Off topic, but as someone who has worked in healthcare for over 10 years and has a background in public health and also spent close to 2 years working in a COVID ICU I would have to disagree with you on that

Matt

Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]

Jul 18, 22 14:24

Post #305 of 450 (5753 views)

Watching Americans argue about guns... SMH. Look outside your borders once in a while.
Most of the civilized world figured out that guns are bad a long time ago and now gun deaths are now relatively rare (but not zero).

Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]

Jul 18, 22 14:28

Post #306 of 450 (5743 views)

NordicSkier wrote:

Watching Americans argue about guns... SMH. Look outside your borders once in a while.
Most of the civilized world figured out that guns are bad a long time ago and now gun deaths are now relatively rare (but not zero).

You're right and the problem is that the US is not a civil society. Texas' good guy with a gun certainly didn't help out this victim (or the victims at Uvalde, either).

But this said, it will be interesting to see how the gravel community, sponsors, and promoters manage this issue longer-term.

Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [DonV] [ In reply to ]

Jul 18, 22 15:08

Post #307 of 450 (5672 views)

Hello DonV and All,

Pertinent to your comment: "But this said, it will be interesting to see how the gravel community, sponsors, and promoters manage this issue longer-term."

Seth (The Wandering Sole) had some comments about gravel events .....

https://citsb.com/2022/07/17/__trashed-4/

Cheers, Neal

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [nealhe] [ In reply to ]

Jul 18, 22 16:12

Post #308 of 450 (5604 views)

nealhe wrote:

Hello DonV and All,

Pertinent to your comment: "But this said, it will be interesting to see how the gravel community, sponsors, and promoters manage this issue longer-term."

Seth (The Wandering Sole) had some comments about gravel events .....

https://citsb.com/2022/07/17/__trashed-4/

Thank you for the link--this is a good read. The article's narrative could very well be describing pro triathlon, too, as well as track racing at the turn of the 20th century.

Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [nealhe] [ In reply to ]

Jul 19, 22 5:48

Post #309 of 450 (5309 views)

nealhe wrote:

Hello DonV and All,

Pertinent to your comment: "But this said, it will be interesting to see how the gravel community, sponsors, and promoters manage this issue longer-term."

Seth (The Wandering Sole) had some comments about gravel events .....

https://citsb.com/2022/07/17/__trashed-4/

Wow! Seth might need a therapy session for all the hate he has for gravel. Yikes!

Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [daustin] [ In reply to ]

Jul 19, 22 6:01

Post #310 of 450 (5285 views)

daustin wrote:

nealhe wrote:

Hello DonV and All,

Pertinent to your comment: "But this said, it will be interesting to see how the gravel community, sponsors, and promoters manage this issue longer-term."

Seth (The Wandering Sole) had some comments about gravel events .....

https://citsb.com/2022/07/17/__trashed-4/

Wow! Seth might need a therapy session for all the hate he has for gravel. Yikes!

I only skimmed the first part of the article but it seems like an essential part of the problem is people trying to "professionalize" what is for all intents and purposes are participatory sports.

Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [daustin] [ In reply to ]

Jul 19, 22 6:38

Post #311 of 450 (5227 views)

Yeah, lighten up Francis. Dude is bitter about something. He must be fun at parties.

Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]

Jul 19, 22 7:13

Post #312 of 450 (5163 views)

ThisIsIt wrote:

daustin wrote:

nealhe wrote:

Hello DonV and All,

Pertinent to your comment: "But this said, it will be interesting to see how the gravel community, sponsors, and promoters manage this issue longer-term."

Seth (The Wandering Sole) had some comments about gravel events .....

https://citsb.com/2022/07/17/__trashed-4/

Wow! Seth might need a therapy session for all the hate he has for gravel. Yikes!

I only skimmed the first part of the article but it seems like an essential part of the problem is people trying to "professionalize" what is for all intents and purposes are participatory sports.

definitely something to that. I love gravel “racing” but I’m rarely sniffing anywhere near the podium so I’m “racing” against my own goals, friends, etc.

Don’t get me wrong, at some of the big gravel events it’s cool having the pros there and see what sort of impressive times they can put up. But almost all the gravel events I do have zero pros. They’re smaller event in my local or region area often with a couple hundred or maybe slightly more riders. And it’s seems Seth only knows about the $240 gravel races that the pros do.

Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [daustin] [ In reply to ]

Jul 19, 22 7:28

Post #313 of 450 (5135 views)

daustin wrote:

nealhe wrote:

Hello DonV and All,

Pertinent to your comment: "But this said, it will be interesting to see how the gravel community, sponsors, and promoters manage this issue longer-term."

Seth (The Wandering Sole) had some comments about gravel events .....

https://citsb.com/2022/07/17/__trashed-4/

Wow! Seth might need a therapy session for all the hate he has for gravel. Yikes!

Seems he hates most things, but his comments re: gravel seem pretty spot on to me.

Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [DonV] [ In reply to ]

Jul 19, 22 7:58

Post #314 of 450 (5087 views)

DonV wrote:

NordicSkier wrote:

Watching Americans argue about guns... SMH. Look outside your borders once in a while.
Most of the civilized world figured out that guns are bad a long time ago and now gun deaths are now relatively rare (but not zero).

You're right and the problem is that the US is not a civil society. Texas' good guy with a gun certainly didn't help out this victim (or the victims at Uvalde, either).

But this said, it will be interesting to see how the gravel community, sponsors, and promoters manage this issue longer-term.

There were 'good guys with guns' at Uvalde, but they were prevented by the police (cowards, all of them) from acting.

Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Dolfan] [ In reply to ]

Jul 19, 22 8:35

Post #315 of 450 (5037 views)

Dolfan wrote:

Yeah, lighten up Francis.

Finally, someone that gets my She's the One references!! :)

Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Mudge] [ In reply to ]

Jul 19, 22 9:34

Post #316 of 450 (4908 views)

Not really. Most of the riders up front have actual contracts with actual sponsors who pay good money. Front of pack gravel racers probably make more than your average racer in any other cycling discipline, that's for sure. Also, the fields are quite a bit deeper than he describes, and the depth of the field is increasing. Not bad for something that's existed as a stand-alone discipline for only a few years

Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [logella] [ In reply to ]

Jul 20, 22 19:16

Post #317 of 450 (4424 views)

Armstrong pleads not guilty and her attorneys are suggesting there is more to the story than has been reported.

https://www.cnn.com/...ot-guilty/index.html

https://www.statesman.com/...october/65378126007/

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [refthimos] [ In reply to ]

Jul 20, 22 19:36

Post #318 of 450 (4388 views)

The not guilty plea is a nothing to read into. A defendant, barring some sort of previous agreement with the prosecution and court, is required to plea not guilty. It’s a question asked in court that only has one actual answer.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [refthimos] [ In reply to ]

Jul 20, 22 23:57

Post #319 of 450 (4233 views)

refthimos wrote:

Armstrong pleads not guilty and her attorneys are suggesting there is more to the story than has been reported.

https://www.cnn.com/...ot-guilty/index.html

https://www.statesman.com/...october/65378126007/

My guess is some sort of self defense. Armstrong confronted her about trying to steal her boyfriend, Mo attacked her, and so she shot her.

Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]

Jul 21, 22 4:27

Post #320 of 450 (4097 views)

ThisIsIt wrote:

refthimos wrote:

Armstrong pleads not guilty and her attorneys are suggesting there is more to the story than has been reported.

https://www.cnn.com/...ot-guilty/index.html

https://www.statesman.com/...october/65378126007/

My guess is some sort of self defense. Armstrong confronted her about trying to steal her boyfriend, Mo attacked her, and so she shot her.

You show up at somebody else’s place, with a gun, to confront them -
there’s nothing “self-defense” about that, at all.

Plus, the whole “fleeing the authorities, leaving the country, having cosmetic surgery to alter your appearance, etc”.

… totally the actions of somebody who was just defending themselves. 🙄
/ end pink.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Murphy'sLaw] [ In reply to ]

Jul 21, 22 4:28

Post #321 of 450 (4106 views)

Murphy'sLaw wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

refthimos wrote:

Armstrong pleads not guilty and her attorneys are suggesting there is more to the story than has been reported.

https://www.cnn.com/...ot-guilty/index.html

https://www.statesman.com/...october/65378126007/

My guess is some sort of self defense. Armstrong confronted her about trying to steal her boyfriend, Mo attacked her, and so she shot her.

You show up at somebody else’s place, with a gun, to confront them -
there’s nothing “self-defense” about that, at all.

Plus, the whole “fleeing the authorities, leaving the country, having cosmetic surgery to alter your appearance, etc”.

… totally the actions of somebody who was just defending themselves. 🙄
/ end pink.

No shit, but they have to come up with some kind of defense.

Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [refthimos] [ In reply to ]

Jul 21, 22 5:12

Post #322 of 450 (4056 views)

Bottom of second article: Cofer, lawyer for Armstong, mentions someone vandalized Strickland and Armstrong's residence before the incident. This is the first I've heard of that. I may have missed it before. Is this old news?

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [DrAlexHarrison] [ In reply to ]

Jul 21, 22 5:23

Post #323 of 450 (4037 views)

DrAlexHarrison wrote:

Bottom of second article: Cofer, lawyer for Armstong, mentions someone vandalized Strickland and Armstrong's residence before the incident. This is the first I've heard of that. I may have missed it before. Is this old news?

First I've heard of it as well & I feel I've followed this story pretty closely.

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.

Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Murphy'sLaw] [ In reply to ]

Jul 21, 22 5:36

Post #324 of 450 (4011 views)

Murphy'sLaw wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

refthimos wrote:

Armstrong pleads not guilty and her attorneys are suggesting there is more to the story than has been reported.

https://www.cnn.com/...ot-guilty/index.html

https://www.statesman.com/...october/65378126007/

My guess is some sort of self defense. Armstrong confronted her about trying to steal her boyfriend, Mo attacked her, and so she shot her.

You show up at somebody else’s place, with a gun, to confront them -
there’s nothing “self-defense” about that, at all.

Plus, the whole “fleeing the authorities, leaving the country, having cosmetic surgery to alter your appearance, etc”.

… totally the actions of somebody who was just defending themselves. 🙄
/ end pink.

She was probably wearing a hoodie.

Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]

Jul 21, 22 5:45

Post #325 of 450 (3998 views)

ThisIsIt wrote:

Murphy'sLaw wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

refthimos wrote:

Armstrong pleads not guilty and her attorneys are suggesting there is more to the story than has been reported.

https://www.cnn.com/...ot-guilty/index.html

https://www.statesman.com/...october/65378126007/

My guess is some sort of self defense. Armstrong confronted her about trying to steal her boyfriend, Mo attacked her, and so she shot her.

You show up at somebody else’s place, with a gun, to confront them -
there’s nothing “self-defense” about that, at all.

Plus, the whole “fleeing the authorities, leaving the country, having cosmetic surgery to alter your appearance, etc”.

… totally the actions of somebody who was just defending themselves. 🙄
/ end pink.

No shit, but they have to come up with some kind of defense.

But also, this happened in Texas. The above course of events is way outside of innocence, but if they can craft a story where Armstrong 'exercised her right as a citizen to carry a firearm', made a legal if not morally questionable visit to a love rival, and then 'feared for her life' and 'exercised her right to self defense'.

The defense is also going to argue that fleeing the country, hair and face changes are not relevant to the case and try to keep them out of the evidence. It probably won't work, but weirder things have happened.

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