99% sure it is a giro advantage 2.

Your can jerry rig a visor on there to work.

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Wow! I finally ordered my SHIV a couple weeks back and should be here by Xmas. lets see more pics of SHIVS!!

Grats :)

The shiv just makes me drool!
Since I cant afford one I will just show a picture i shot (with my mobilephone, hence the bad quality):

Looks like the olympic and world champion owner of that shiv forgot to remove evidence of his motor hidden in the downtube!! That's surely the "suicide shift"!

http://oi53.tinypic.com/awrr0w.jpg

SRAM Red, Fizik Aireone Tri 2, Zipp 808 Tubular, Aero hammock b/w bars.

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it doesn't really matter what Grave's saddle is, there is only between 1 and 2 lbs of weight on it at any given time

and how do you know this?

More pics of the SHIV please...

fit adjusted somewhat since this pic, but essentially final build (for now)

^^ What size is your Frame? And how tall are you?

I ordered a SHIV in size small and I'm thinking my seatpost will more or less look the same as yours.. I'm 5'7 BTW...

yep sounds about right...mine's a small and I'm ~ 5' 6"

Finally getting close on the hydration setup. I plan to change the cage out to the torpedo cage.

Final build...........SRAM Red, R2C shifters, SRAM TT 53 tooth ring, I replaced the crappy Specialized brake levers with SRAM TT900's but it is a hassle to put and remove the FC 808, it looks like I may have to settle with the original levers (snif snif). Zipp Open Tubulars 21. Xlab Aero bottle/cage. Xlab Torpedo mount/cage (not shown). The aerobars will be cut 1-2" depending on the final fit.

I have a Rotor 3D crank on my bike. For 2011, Rotor has added the "plus" line which is both BB30 and BBRight compatible.

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Hydration - bottle on frame (aero or regular) & bottle cage horizontally between aerobars.

I remember Mark Cote posting on here that the SPecialized Virtue bottle neither helps nor hinders the aerodynamics of the Shiv frame (pretty much lost in the noise). BUT do you know if there is an aero penalty to running a regular bottle on the frame and how much?

I already plan on one on the bars, but I like to carry 2 and I am trying to figure out the best place for the second bottle (beside the frame the other option is tucked up tight to the seat ala Chris Leito).

I also remember him posting that poorly placed water bottles can cost up to 7 watts....

Thanks.

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Yes, there is an aero penalty. Exactly how much depends on yaw angle. And bottle size. And probably even the cage itself. However, if you need two bottles, I would indeed put the other one in the "normal" spot. Up under the seat has NEVER been reliable in my experience. If you feel you need two bottles, then just accept the fact that there is not an optimal way to carry that much fluid. Of course, no amount of aeroness overcomes bonking, running out of fluids, etc. I venture that I'll run two normal cages in Abu Dhabi this year, just because last year the aid stations were often tricky because of the size of the group of riders.

However, if you simply "like" to have two bottles, then I'd suggest a regular cage between the bars and the virtue bottle on the frame. Most races are more than well supported enough for that to be a good option.

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I trying to figure it out for IMCDA. Last year when I did it, I used a regular bottle on the bars, a Virtue bottle on the frame and std cage zip tied to seat. It worked okay, but this year I want to carry only 2 bottles, and I like to have the option to carry both water and sports drink. Hence the need to for 2 std. cages somewhere on the frame so I can refill from aid stations. The downside of the Virtue bottle is once it's gone, it sits empty because no real easy way to refill on the fly.

This year I was thinking I need to run a standard cage on the frame, depending on the aero penalty.....

So, I guess I need to see, once the weather breaks, if I can come up with a nutrition strategy to get by with 1 std. cage and the virtue bottle or come up with a way to refill it on course. Still have plenty of time to figure it out. Thanks for your feedback.

But you are right, for distances HIM and below, 1 std cage and virtue bottle is more than enough.

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I saw that you used the mini-wedgie bag on the Desert Classic Duathlon, is this the best aero option to carry tools/spare/etc.?

An X-Lab is not in my radar, but I was thinking about a cage and a tool holder bottle.........still don't know if I'll be able to accomplish these with the saddle that much forward.

Cheers

Boilermaker_yv....

Also check out the SciCon Elan 215 bag. It is even smaller than the Specialized bag Jordan has. On a road bike I can get nearly the whole bag mounted up between the rails so that almost none of it is protruding in the wind. On my tri bike the profile exposed to the wind is still even smaller than Jordan's bag. I like it also because it has a single strap that mounts it to the bike. There is no strap around the seat post. In practice, this makes using the contents during flat changes just a bit faster.

If you must carry spares, and need even a frame mounted aero bottle to carry fluids...then a small bag, detailed with zip ties as Jordan did is still the best option unless you want to take a time penalty and potential equipment risk by figuring out how to store your flat kit inside your aero seat tube/post area. The miniscule aerodynamic tradeoff just isn't worth it in my book.

Of course, the Trek SC owners who have the rear box option which according to Trek is at least aerodynamically neutral if I recall correctly.

It is, in my opinion, the most practical solution. It's the best aero solution that also easily accessible and light and functional. I'm sure I could make a more aero solution that would take me 20 minutes to actually get into. And that wouldn't be all that useful. Or it'd be really heavy. Or it'd be... I think you get the point. Don't overthink it. A saddle bag does what it needs to do in a way that it, across the board, a very good choice.

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Rapp, I only carry two bottles for an IM. One between the bars and one normal cage on the down tube. I would like to carry an aero bottle on the down tube, I notice that is what you do. I race on course nutrition, what do you do when that aero bottle is empty? Do you have another in special needs?

That's exactly what I did last year at IMFL, I put another aero bottle in special needs, and got away with only 2 bottles

Question was not for me, but I'll throw my 2 cents in. I thought about the second special needs bottle.....but how much time do you lose by stopping at special needs compared to the time lost by a slightly less aero, round, bottle but riding right by special needs? For me, I don't need to stop there unless something unexpected, so I don't plan my strategy so I have to stop. Time stopped is time lost.

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thats a good point, I always stop for special needs but its usually for a quick solid food snack. I suppose I could skip it.

That's a valid point, however IMHO carrying 4 bottles + the weight of the xlab + crap for 112 miles makes you lose more time.

I'm a fan of 2 bottles (your choice - 1 aero 1 normal - 2 normal) and slow down at aid stations.

Cheers