Lance can't be stripped of his titles. He won them already, doped or not. He crushed a field of doped up riders and I don't give a flying f*ck if he used epo or not.
Lance ruled and still does. He most likely would have won Kona this year and you all know it. He should just do the course the day after on his own with some cameras and prove that he'd have won it. That's what he should do and make a f*cking movie of it.

A few points....

First, the notion that "doping changed radically" in the 90's is not exactly true. Everyone zeros in on EPO, but blood doping (also known as blood packing or blood boosting) has been around for a long time. Just about the entire 1984 US Olympic cycling team admitted to blood packing, which at the time was legal. I wouldn't be at all surprised if folks in the pro peloton were doing the same thing at the time. EPO made it easier boost red blood cells without resorting to withdrawing, storing, and then reinjecting one's own blood, but homologous blood doping made a come back after a test for EPO was found.

Second, when Lemond started going backwards in 1991 and afterwards, he blamed all manner of illnesses for his problems. Now, he says that everyone was on EPO; that's why everybody was beating him the mountains. That immediately raises the question in my mind...was he lying then about being ill, or did he suspect doping in the peleton? If he suspected doping, why didn't he speak up then? I find this discrepancy to be a bit troubling about Mr. Lemond.

Lastly, and this I have never understood...EPO in the peloton is widely believed to have become widespread in the early '90s...why is it that nobody is calling for an investigation into Indurain?

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I followed cycling since the mid-80's, so I have an understanding of LeMond's performances. I also have a signed copy of his book after he won the 1986 tour. I think the comparison of LeMond beating riders who doped to Armstrong also beating dopers as evidence of doping is a fair comparison. But considering the era, I will agree that it's not apples to apples comparison.

He is a doper, who cares what he could have done in Kona. I'm sure the 'what he could have done' will always be better than the reality would have been.

Paragraph three: Armstrong significantly profited by not only his victories, but by his remarkable backstory. He traded on his celebrity, which was based on a carefully controlled image. Indurain did not.

Paragraph one: Yes, blood doping, and there is a good likelihood that it began with the Finns in the 70s; I agree that EPO made it easier (and the technique available to many, many more riders).

If I need to do some search when dopers from Spain are busted on a regular basis and one just got stripped of a tour, then clearly Portugal isn't the biggest fish around.

Why don't you ask Lance why he wasted taxpayer money when he filed a suit in Federal court? Besides USADA is not a government agency.

Like when the NCAA stripped USC of its national championship, nobody really cared. Moments passed , tickets were sold, money has been made. I don't care about these titles so much as that hes not allowed to compete in the Ironman. Like if the NCAA told USC they couldn't play football again they'd probably riot in the streets of LA.

EDIT: Ref to 2004 title

Easy on the exaggerations of billions being made off of Lance racing in Kona. I'll grant you one thing, WTC and Lance are what are the biggest losers in Lance not racing Kona. I just doubt that somehow it transcends the sport itself. Could have been great money maker for WTC/Kona and Lance defintely.

Lances dog tugboat must be crying in heaven.

Like when the NCAA stripped USC of its national championship, nobody really cared. Moments passed , tickets were sold, money has been made. I don't care about these titles so much as that hes not allowed to compete in the Ironman. Like if the NCAA told USC they couldn't play football again they'd probably riot in the streets of LA.

EDIT: Ref to 2004 title

essentially it extends to all WADA based sports (basically all the olympic sports). WTC could break away from WADA, as I'm not really sure what the advantages/disadvantages for a private organization to be part of WADA, considering they are very very very unlikely to ever make olympics. But at this point, WADA is supported by USAT/WTC/IM and therefore no go on Lance racing in those certified races.

Funded by the government and organizations that get government funding, same thing, wasting taxpayer money...

The United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is a non-profit organization funded by the US Government, sports organizations, and the national anti-doping organization (NADO) for the United States