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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [monty] [ In reply to ]
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monty wrote:
PS. Her time in this meet would have placed her 3rd in the men's field.
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Ok, but this meet is really a glorified dual meet, very few swimmers get to actually swim from a few 6 person(scoring) teams I think? I would have been 38th... (-;


Now 3rd in an actual trials meet, or even top 10 overall, that would be something. Like Paula's 11 overall at Kona...


I'm not sure what you mean about people scoring? There's a bonus scoring event with the national team that's just placed on the results, but anyone from any team can qualify for the meet and swim at the meet. (Omega Timing Results)

Katie would have been 8th in the men's 1500m free at 2016 trials (http://omegatiming.com/...000502FFFFFFFFFFFF02) and I bet had she been in the race would have been at least 7th.

Crazy bit is she has no suit sponsor yet, and has been spotted in at least 2 different manufacturer's kits so far (Speedo and TYR)
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [tallswimmer] [ In reply to ]
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Katie would have been 8th in the men's 1500m free at 2016 trials //

And she would barley be fighting for top 40 at NCAA's this year. It is all about depth, isn't it?? And that is just a college championship, plot it out world wide, and maybe top 100???


She has been the best thing to hit swimming since Michael Phelps, until Kaleb Dressel came along...(-;
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [Tom_hampton] [ In reply to ]
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The thing that amazing me about these top swimmers simply do things that I cannot do AT ALL, under any circumstances. What I mean by that is, she swam that 1500m at 55ish per 100y, or 27 per 50y, or 13 / 25y. I can't do any of those not even once.

I can run as fast as a marathoner, and I can put out the same watts as a tour rider on a long-climb. For me, those things are very HARD efforts. Obviously, I can't do them as long as they can....but, I CAN do it.

But, I can't come close to swimming Katie's (or any other REAL swimmer's) distance pace, even as a dead sprint. I think my lifetime best all-out 25y sprint is like 17s...still 4 seconds off Katie's mile pace.

This. It's absolutely the same for me. Swimming has been frustrating for me and I am a duathlete now. However, my experience from the year where I was in the pool 5 times a week as a 22 year old, trying to catch, made my really appreciate what the swimmers are doing and I am really interested in following the Sport.

On the other hand, I am a decent runner (33ish 10k). And even there, when I run a hard 200 it takes about 30 seconds. Hard to believe that Kenny Bekeles 5000 splits are not that far oft that pace.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [Velocibuddha] [ In reply to ]
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Swim training changed dramatically during those 10 years. Not that surprising.

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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [SnappingT] [ In reply to ]
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She is amazing! What's more amazing is that Slowtwitchers haven't accused her of doping....yet and Canadians aren't bragging about their comparable swim times. Lol
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [Tom_hampton] [ In reply to ]
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Tom_hampton wrote:
Yeah. I'm more or less an AOS. I swam on a swim team just long enough to know I didn't really "dig it." But, even as an AOS, Garmin Insights says that I'm 75th percentile pace for all people who swim with a Garmin watch on. Not fast by AOS triathlon standards, but relative to the "adult garmin swim-watch population"...still faster than most of them. And I will likely NEVER know what it is like to swim 2 yards in one second.
Your argument is exactly what I was saying to my wife last night, because she was like "well, what do you need to do to go that fast?" .... start swimming at 4 to have the technique now. Not happening at 50.

How old were you and how long did you swim on the team??? You had the opportunity but it sounds like you "self-selected" out of swimming. You might want to amend to say "learn to swim by age 4, start swimming on a team by age 8, and stick with it until at least age 18."


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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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I think I was 8 to 10. I did well at the time, but I was more into soccer, and being outside with my friends.

Yes, starting at 4 doesn't really count if you don't stick with it until you are late teans. That was the intent of my point. I did that with soccer, and drums.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [Tom_hampton] [ In reply to ]
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Tom_hampton wrote:
The thing that amazing me about these top swimmers simply do things that I cannot do AT ALL, under any circumstances. What I mean by that is, she swam that 1500m at 55ish per 100y, or 27 per 50y, or 13 / 25y. I can't do any of those not even once.

I can run as fast as a marathoner, and I can put out the same watts as a tour rider on a long-climb. For me, those things are very HARD efforts. Obviously, I can't do them as long as they can....but, I CAN do it.

But, I can't come close to swimming Katie's (or any other REAL swimmer's) distance pace, even as a dead sprint. I think my lifetime best all-out 25y sprint is like 17s...still 4 seconds off Katie's mile pace.

Totally. It would be interesting to see how far/long one could go at various WR paces. Obviously it would be hard for cycling, since there aren't really records like thstvon the road. Maybe either a velodrome or just a fixed wattage.

I know I could not swim 25y at Katie's 1500m pace.

Let's see, if the men's marathon record is 2:02 at a distance of 42195m, that's 69 sec/400m. Nope, can't do that. Women's record is 2:15? That's about 77sec/400m. I think if I had several months (likely less that a year) of dedicated training I could probably come pretty close to that. That's disheartening.

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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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140triguy wrote:

Bottom line: you've got to come up swimming to be good later in life.

How do you define "good"?

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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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That's a good question. There are probably several ways to answer that, and probably don't truly summarize.

One definition might be an objective standard, like say 5x:yz in an IM swim without a wetsuit. That sort of compares triathletes to triathletes in the structure of an actual trip race, and puts triathlon swimming into the equation. Maybe there's a certain cut-off in the average field that indicates the good swimmers, like say just on the left side of the bell curve of times.

If you want to define this in absolute terms, consider the masters AG-only swimmer times for a pool 800m or 1500m race, and where a swimmer stacks up in this ranking. That doesn't do much for triathletes, bc not many triathletes swim Masters pool events.

Perhaps it's better to consider subjective standards. First, does someone LOOK like a swimmer when swimming? We all pretty much know what that looks like. A few seconds looking at a swimmer and you "know." In what lanes are the swimmers practicing during Masters squad? I'd say most of the top swimmers in these "fast lanes" are probably swimmers-only, with a few overachieving, younger triathletes mixed in. Probably the best swimming triathletes are in or just outside those "fast lanes," and do flipturns and butterfly.

I've been a masters coach, a marathoner, and a triathlete. From my experience, I know that swimmers who were competitive swimmers in their youth have an advantage that never goes away. They can take years or decades away from the pool, and come back and pick it right back up and improve faster than AOS. Because swimming is partly technique-driven, once the technique is grooved in during the plastic period of youth, it stays.

You can't judge a swimmer by body appearance, as I'm sure many triathletes know when they see a soft, muffin-top dude crushing it in the pool. Swimming doesn't penalize body weight as much as running does.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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Just FYI in case you didn't know, klehner is an AOS who's gone 51.0 100 free and 5:16 500. He did these times after about 2 yrs of swimming Masters in his late 20s. He was a decathlete in college.


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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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I would argue that this was a 1500m swim time trial more than anything.

Also, it must suck to swim to her left or right in anything 800 or above.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [realAB] [ In reply to ]
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Katie uses the same paddles as I do!! Get that people, Katie pulls with paddles in workouts...(-;
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Yes and with the already well established mechanics and strength to handle them.

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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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here is the 4IM group session from the afternoon





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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [realAB] [ In reply to ]
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Why did they put 3:03.6 on the screen after Ledecky finished her 300 free?

The world record in the 400 free was 4:04 not that long ago.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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Really almost a full catch up stroke with a relatively short pull, then quick recovery and aggressive entry. Am I wrong?

Bomber kick when she goes to it in the final meters.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [ajthomas] [ In reply to ]
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It's weak sauce when she goes 3:03... did you watch the first video from that days morning swim :)

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