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Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today
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The new time is 15:20.48, exactly 5 seconds faster than her own previous world record. She set this at a mid-season meet, the first long course meet of the season, and her pro debut.

This is stunning. She is in a class of her own.
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The new time is 15:20.48, exactly 5 seconds faster than her own previous world record. She set this at a mid-season meet, the first long course meet of the season, and her pro debut.

This is stunning. She is in a class of her own.

That's ridiculous speed.

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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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Out in 2:00/4:04!!!
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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Video here:

https://swimswam.com/...ecord-1520-48-video/

No one even to push her....such amazing mental focus to do that.....
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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Hot damn.

...swim meets are as boring as I remember them...

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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [SLOgoing] [ In reply to ]
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I went 15:55 to other day... oh wait that was for 1000m!
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [uk_bloke] [ In reply to ]
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No kidding...my absolute best 1500 (and SCY at that, not even meters) is like 25:04 or something. 15:20 is mind bottling.

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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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Let's just hope if she decides to take some bong rips - she does it in the privacy of her own home haha
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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Amazing to watch and no one even close.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [xeon] [ In reply to ]
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xeon wrote:
Amazing to watch and no one even close.

She lapped a few people.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [SLOgoing] [ In reply to ]
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SLOgoing wrote:
Hot damn.

...swim meets are as boring as I remember them...
Well, in fairness a 1500 where the winner wins by ~50 seconds isn't exactly going to be the most exciting part of any swimming meet.

Note that Ledecky's 800 split was faster than she went in the 800 race last year at Worlds.

Ledecky is an epochal talent with incredible mental toughness and drive. I don't think anyone is challenging her any time soon.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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140triguy wrote:
The new time is 15:20.48, exactly 5 seconds faster than her own previous world record. She set this at a mid-season meet, the first long course meet of the season, and her pro debut.

This is stunning. She is in a class of her own.

She likely can swim 1500m faster than a good portion of the general population can run/walk it.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [DJRed] [ In reply to ]
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Probably a better comparison is that the 8th finalist in the men's 1500 at the 2016 USA Olympic Trials swam it in 15:17.

How about this: as far as I can tell, Ledecky is faster than Andy Potts ever swam...
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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She was smart, she waited until turning pro to start breaking records again, so now she can get paid. Probably low 6 figures for her for each WR I would guess. Perhaps that is why she sandbagged her last amateur meet?? Or she is human and just had a bad day...(-;

She needs to take a page out of I think it was Bubka's playbook, he would just break each of his own WR by a fraction of an inch in the pole vault, thus getting a ton of WR bonuses. He knew he could have blown it away at any time, but choose to creep it up and make maximum $$$..I would hate to think that was just a creep in the WR, if so look out 15 minutes!!!
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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140triguy wrote:
Probably a better comparison is that the 8th finalist in the men's 1500 at the 2016 USA Olympic Trials swam it in 15:17.

How about this: as far as I can tell, Ledecky is faster than Andy Potts ever swam...

But can she bike and run?


I had a golf lesson once where my swing was recorded and then superimposed over a pro of similar build to illustrate where the weak areas of my swing were. I'd love to have the same thing done with my swim stroke and Katie's. I wonder if my stroke would even be recognizable as freestyle compared to hers?
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [monty] [ In reply to ]
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There's a difference here: a pole vaulter has six attempts during a meet, and can request a specific height. A distance swimmer has to complete an entire race at full effort.

I think you're imagining the oldest trick in the swimmer playbook. On a descend set, people sandbag the first few repeats, and then look up at the clock on a few repeats and stop short of the wall to get a slower time to descend the subsequent repeats. I don't see ANY swimmer stopping just short of a finish wall, treading water, and touching the touchpad a few tenths/second faster than the previous record.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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You make it too complicated, all she would have to do is drill it like she did for 1300, take a look at the clock or coaches signal, and back off just a tad in the final 200. Break it by a second or two, not 5 though. 5 Seconds is an eternity in swimming, she could have easily halved that time without risking not getting the record.

But she is wired like a dog, just go as fast as you can all the time..That we know about her..
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [DJRed] [ In reply to ]
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I think swim strokes are much more individual to the swimmer than golf strokes to a pro. If you take the example of Sun Yang vs Gregorio Paltrinieri (the last two Olympic 1500m champions), Sun has a much longer galloping stroke, while Paltrinieri has a shorter, quicker stroke (their PR's are very close). Another way to look at the comparison is that Sun used to do his whole 1500 "in the big ring," much like Jan Ullrich used to do, while Paltrinieri swims in the "small ring."

(My comparison of Sun to Ullrich is intentional in more ways that one.)

An analysis of your stroke should be what's best for your level of flexibility, kick power, aerobic power, and other factors.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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140triguy wrote:
I think swim strokes are much more individual to the swimmer than golf strokes to a pro. If you take the example of Sun Yang vs Gregorio Paltrinieri (the last two Olympic 1500m champions), Sun has a much longer galloping stroke, while Paltrinieri has a shorter, quicker stroke (their PR's are very close). Another way to look at the comparison is that Sun used to do his whole 1500 "in the big ring," much like Jan Ullrich used to do, while Paltrinieri swims in the "small ring."

(My comparison of Sun to Ullrich is intentional in more ways that one.)

An analysis of your stroke should be what's best for your level of flexibility, kick power, aerobic power, and other factors.

I don't get it? Sun Yang doesn't speak German.... ;-)

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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [DJRed] [ In reply to ]
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I wonder if my stroke would even be recognizable as freestyle compared to hers?

If the video showed the underwater portion of her stroke, and it was compared with mine, you would have no clue that we were doing the same sport. That is one of the most dominating events I've ever seen at the world class level.


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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Perhaps that is why she sandbagged her last amateur meet?? Or she is human and just had a bad day...

I think you are aware, but she doesn't need the money.

My understanding is she was a little frustrated with training limitations.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [ajthomas] [ In reply to ]
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I think you are aware, but she doesn't need the money. //

A lot of you like to point this out, you know who else doesn't need money, LeBron, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Snoop Dog, Michael Phelps, Tom Brady, Jeff Bezos, and just about every other top pro athlete or business person that negotiates their contracts for every last dollar. Why is it we think she is any different, in wanting to earn her own money?? I dont get it, you all think she has just given up on earning her own way in life because her family is rich?? I have found that driven athletes who succeed in sport, are usually the opposite. Competitive in sport, competitive in finance. But maybe you all know something I dont, that is entirely possible...(-;
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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There's a difference here: a pole vaulter has six attempts during a meet, and can request a specific height. A distance swimmer has to complete an entire race at full effort.

Pole vaulters (and high jumpers) have unlimited attempts, until they have missed three attempts in a row. They can only request a specific height after they have won the competition.

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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Monty, I agree with you that Katie is ultra-competitive...proof that she would never consider for even one minute backing off her own world record so that she doesn't break it by too much.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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Sanuk wrote:
I wonder if my stroke would even be recognizable as freestyle compared to hers?

If the video showed the underwater portion of her stroke, and it was compared with mine, you would have no clue that we were doing the same sport. That is one of the most dominating events I've ever seen at the world class level.

I could have raced her over the last 100m (from a dive) and I would have lost by 20 seconds.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [DJRed] [ In reply to ]
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DJRed wrote:
Sanuk wrote:
I wonder if my stroke would even be recognizable as freestyle compared to hers?

If the video showed the underwater portion of her stroke, and it was compared with mine, you would have no clue that we were doing the same sport. That is one of the most dominating events I've ever seen at the world class level.

I could have raced her over the last 100m (from a dive) and I would have lost by 20 seconds.

I am a man and swam distance races for a Div. I college. (Albeit not a very competitive one).

Ledecky went through the 400 at a little faster than my PR for 400M.
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I think you are aware, but she doesn't need the money. //

A lot of you like to point this out, you know who else doesn't need money, LeBron, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Snoop Dog, Michael Phelps, Tom Brady, Jeff Bezos, and just about every other top pro athlete or business person that negotiates their contracts for every last dollar. Why is it we think she is any different, in wanting to earn her own money?? I dont get it, you all think she has just given up on earning her own way in life because her family is rich?? I have found that driven athletes who succeed in sport, are usually the opposite. Competitive in sport, competitive in finance. But maybe you all know something I dont, that is entirely possible...(-;

This was in the discussion about shaving down the WR a second at a time. That is why he financial situation matters. LeBron is not going to intentionally miss a lay up so he can grab the rebound for a triple double bonus.
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140triguy wrote:


I think you're imagining the oldest trick in the swimmer playbook. On a descend set, people sandbag the first few repeats, and then look up at the clock on a few repeats and stop short of the wall to get a slower time to descend the subsequent repeats.


I would never, ever do such a thing /pink
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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I may or may not have done that very thing this week.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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Sick....just sick.....and she finished and took a few breaths like 'Ok i am a little winded' I was gasping for breath just watching that!!:)))))

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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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Incredible.

Her first 100m split was 58.50. In the 1500. How many Slowtwitchers have EVER swam a 100 that fast? My guess is very few, maybe those who swam competitively in high school.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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I know these are fast times she is swimming, but is it because she wins by so much, or she is a woman, or what exactly?? A couple guys I swam against in high school swam as fast as she did, and that was 1975 or so. And you can subtract many many seconds from the old tech conditions they swam under..
























And yes, I'm being sarcastic and obnoxious, but the part about 1970's high schoolers beating her is true....
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [monty] [ In reply to ]
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I know these are fast times she is swimming, but is it because she wins by so much, or she is a woman, or what exactly?? A couple guys I swam against in high school swam as fast as she did, and that was 1975 or so. And you can subtract many many seconds from the old tech conditions they swam under..
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Ledecky went 15:20.48

The world record progression for Men’s 1500m (around Ledecky’s time:)
8-25-74 - 15:31 Tim Shaw
1-25–75 - 15:27 Stephen Holland
6-21-75 - 15:20.91 Tim Shaw
2-27–76 - 15:10 Stephen Holland (AUS) n

It is amazing to me that the WR went from 15:57 in 1970, to 14:58 in 1980.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [Velocibuddha] [ In reply to ]
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6-21-75 - 15:20.91 Tim Shaw //

He and Brian Goodell were the kids I swam with back in high school, believe Brian went low 15 minutes while in HS too. Tim was a year younger than I was but older than Brian. They had an epic 500 race when they were both on one year, cannot recall exactly, but I think 4;19 to 4;21...Pretty incredible when you think about it was in the mid 70's and these two kids in HS from Southern California were the best in the world at the time...


Congratulations, you teased out my little riddle I put out there, well most of it...(-;
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [Velocibuddha] [ In reply to ]
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Yes it's fast, but a lot others are too. In a year or so we will see the record broken again by some young gal. Maybe next time it will be done under 15, and the gal will become a member of the long course minute club.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [nickwhite] [ In reply to ]
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I could do that Fly... went within .1 of that at Youth Nationals at 16.

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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [NealH] [ In reply to ]
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SCM yes, LCM will take a few years to chop 20 more seconds off.

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This is the next one in women's distance.... 4:00.9 400 & 8:20 800 at the Commonwealth Games

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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [Velocibuddha] [ In reply to ]
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The drop in times from the 1972 1500m to the 1976 champion was over 40 seconds. It hasn't dropped that much since....

I'ts because of goggles.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [realAB] [ In reply to ]
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I could do that Fly... went within .1 of that at Youth Nationals at 16.

Yes, and so can some kids in my daughter's high school swim squad. :) But SLOWTWITCHERS? I guarantee there are only a few.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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https://swimswam.com/...t-400-ever-in-357-9/


Ledecky uncorked a 3:57.94 in the 400 freestyle, breaking her own U.S. Open Record while registering the 2nd fastest swim of all-time.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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The 1500 top times list is basically a Katie Ledecky PR tracker right now.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [monty] [ In reply to ]
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6-21-75 - 15:20.91 Tim Shaw //

He and Brian Goodell were the kids I swam with back in high school, believe Brian went low 15 minutes while in HS too. Tim was a year younger than I was but older than Brian. They had an epic 500 race when they were both on one year, cannot recall exactly, but I think 4;19 to 4;21...Pretty incredible when you think about it was in the mid 70's and these two kids in HS from Southern California were the best in the world at the time...


Congratulations, you teased out my little riddle I put out there, well most of it...(-;

Amazing 500 time at 4:19 when you compare Cameron Dye's H.S. record was about 4:36'ish...and went on to become one of triathlon's "super swimmers" for years.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [monty] [ In reply to ]
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PS. Her time in this meet would have placed her 3rd in the men's field.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [STConcierge] [ In reply to ]
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PS. Her time in this meet would have placed her 3rd in the men's field.
KS //

Ok, but this meet is really a glorified dual meet, very few swimmers get to actually swim from a few 6 person(scoring) teams I think? I would have been 38th... (-;


Now 3rd in an actual trials meet, or even top 10 overall, that would be something. Like Paula's 11 overall at Kona...
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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The thing that amazing me about these top swimmers simply do things that I cannot do AT ALL, under any circumstances. What I mean by that is, she swam that 1500m at 55ish per 100y, or 27 per 50y, or 13 / 25y. I can't do any of those not even once.

I can run as fast as a marathoner, and I can put out the same watts as a tour rider on a long-climb. For me, those things are very HARD efforts. Obviously, I can't do them as long as they can....but, I CAN do it.

But, I can't come close to swimming Katie's (or any other REAL swimmer's) distance pace, even as a dead sprint. I think my lifetime best all-out 25y sprint is like 17s...still 4 seconds off Katie's mile pace.
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I think you are aware, but she doesn't need the money. //

A lot of you like to point this out, you know who else doesn't need money, LeBron, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Snoop Dog, Michael Phelps, Tom Brady, Jeff Bezos, and just about every other top pro athlete or business person that negotiates their contracts for every last dollar. Why is it we think she is any different, in wanting to earn her own money?? I dont get it, you all think she has just given up on earning her own way in life because her family is rich?? I have found that driven athletes who succeed in sport, are usually the opposite. Competitive in sport, competitive in finance. But maybe you all know something I dont, that is entirely possible...(-;

Shaquille O'Neill is doing commercials for "The General"? Every time one of those comes on I think, "Why the heck does he even bother?"
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [JoeO] [ In reply to ]
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Ya, I just saw a commercial with Tom Selleck selling reverse mortgages. Man that guy is a good actor, but for the life of me, cannot understand why he is selling this stuff to old and impressionable blue hairs.. It is not like he is not on a hit show at the moment, and I'm sure getting residuals form several others..
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [Tom_hampton] [ In reply to ]
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Swimming has the motor learning aspect that few other sports have, whereas running is a natural motion for humans and cycling is very constrained in terms of technique and ROM. Running and cycling are easy to pick up, swimming is not (just ask AOS). I grew up swimming, but with just a few years of training, I made my first BQ as a 34 year-old (first marathon 3:5x, 7th marathon 3:09.xy).

Top swimmers not only have huge engines, but they also have strength and really good technique, intrinsic motivation, and many are blessed with being tall. Definitely the 10,000 hours applies to this. Each one of those pieces must be there, along with years of practice.

All those pieces were not there for me: I was decent as a D-3 All-American. I even had a great VO2 max, tested once at 72. I was as motivated as anyone could be. But alas, I am 5'9" (175cm), and probably had technique problems, and maybe focused too much on school work in college.

Bottom line: you've got to come up swimming to be good later in life. People who grew up swimming can quit for decades and the technique comes back easily. The biggest difference isn't between me and Andy Potts (my best 1000y free was 9:38, his was 9:0x), but between me and the AOS relative to their marathon times compared to mine.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah. I'm more or less an AOS. I swam on a swim team just long enough to know I didn't really "dig it." But, even as an AOS, Garmin Insights says that I'm 75th percentile pace for all people who swim with a Garmin watch on. Not fast by AOS triathlon standards, but relative to the "adult garmin swim-watch population"...still faster than most of them. And I will likely NEVER know what it is like to swim 2 yards in one second.

Your argument is exactly what I was saying to my wife last night, because she was like "well, what do you need to do to go that fast?" .... start swimming at 4 to have the technique now. Not happening at 50.
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Shaquille O'Neill is doing commercials for "The General"? Every time one of those comes on I think, "Why the heck does he even bother?"

Shaq is making more money now than he was while he was playing. He also sometimes takes equity in the company as payment, which worked out nicely when Ring was bought by Amazon. He has a meeting once a year where all the brands he is involved come together to discuss ideas and what they want out of Shaq.

He became the General spokesperson because he had dinner with the CEO of the parent company and asked to be the spokesperson, because he liked the company when they insured him in college. Similar thing with Ring where he bought the product and liked it so much he contacted them to make a deal.

I think he bothers because he enjoys doing it.
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PS. Her time in this meet would have placed her 3rd in the men's field.
KS //

Ok, but this meet is really a glorified dual meet, very few swimmers get to actually swim from a few 6 person(scoring) teams I think? I would have been 38th... (-;


Now 3rd in an actual trials meet, or even top 10 overall, that would be something. Like Paula's 11 overall at Kona...


I'm not sure what you mean about people scoring? There's a bonus scoring event with the national team that's just placed on the results, but anyone from any team can qualify for the meet and swim at the meet. (Omega Timing Results)

Katie would have been 8th in the men's 1500m free at 2016 trials (http://omegatiming.com/...000502FFFFFFFFFFFF02) and I bet had she been in the race would have been at least 7th.

Crazy bit is she has no suit sponsor yet, and has been spotted in at least 2 different manufacturer's kits so far (Speedo and TYR)
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Katie would have been 8th in the men's 1500m free at 2016 trials //

And she would barley be fighting for top 40 at NCAA's this year. It is all about depth, isn't it?? And that is just a college championship, plot it out world wide, and maybe top 100???


She has been the best thing to hit swimming since Michael Phelps, until Kaleb Dressel came along...(-;
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Tom_hampton wrote:
The thing that amazing me about these top swimmers simply do things that I cannot do AT ALL, under any circumstances. What I mean by that is, she swam that 1500m at 55ish per 100y, or 27 per 50y, or 13 / 25y. I can't do any of those not even once.

I can run as fast as a marathoner, and I can put out the same watts as a tour rider on a long-climb. For me, those things are very HARD efforts. Obviously, I can't do them as long as they can....but, I CAN do it.

But, I can't come close to swimming Katie's (or any other REAL swimmer's) distance pace, even as a dead sprint. I think my lifetime best all-out 25y sprint is like 17s...still 4 seconds off Katie's mile pace.

This. It's absolutely the same for me. Swimming has been frustrating for me and I am a duathlete now. However, my experience from the year where I was in the pool 5 times a week as a 22 year old, trying to catch, made my really appreciate what the swimmers are doing and I am really interested in following the Sport.

On the other hand, I am a decent runner (33ish 10k). And even there, when I run a hard 200 it takes about 30 seconds. Hard to believe that Kenny Bekeles 5000 splits are not that far oft that pace.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [Velocibuddha] [ In reply to ]
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Swim training changed dramatically during those 10 years. Not that surprising.

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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [SnappingT] [ In reply to ]
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She is amazing! What's more amazing is that Slowtwitchers haven't accused her of doping....yet and Canadians aren't bragging about their comparable swim times. Lol
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Tom_hampton wrote:
Yeah. I'm more or less an AOS. I swam on a swim team just long enough to know I didn't really "dig it." But, even as an AOS, Garmin Insights says that I'm 75th percentile pace for all people who swim with a Garmin watch on. Not fast by AOS triathlon standards, but relative to the "adult garmin swim-watch population"...still faster than most of them. And I will likely NEVER know what it is like to swim 2 yards in one second.
Your argument is exactly what I was saying to my wife last night, because she was like "well, what do you need to do to go that fast?" .... start swimming at 4 to have the technique now. Not happening at 50.

How old were you and how long did you swim on the team??? You had the opportunity but it sounds like you "self-selected" out of swimming. You might want to amend to say "learn to swim by age 4, start swimming on a team by age 8, and stick with it until at least age 18."


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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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I think I was 8 to 10. I did well at the time, but I was more into soccer, and being outside with my friends.

Yes, starting at 4 doesn't really count if you don't stick with it until you are late teans. That was the intent of my point. I did that with soccer, and drums.
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The thing that amazing me about these top swimmers simply do things that I cannot do AT ALL, under any circumstances. What I mean by that is, she swam that 1500m at 55ish per 100y, or 27 per 50y, or 13 / 25y. I can't do any of those not even once.

I can run as fast as a marathoner, and I can put out the same watts as a tour rider on a long-climb. For me, those things are very HARD efforts. Obviously, I can't do them as long as they can....but, I CAN do it.

But, I can't come close to swimming Katie's (or any other REAL swimmer's) distance pace, even as a dead sprint. I think my lifetime best all-out 25y sprint is like 17s...still 4 seconds off Katie's mile pace.

Totally. It would be interesting to see how far/long one could go at various WR paces. Obviously it would be hard for cycling, since there aren't really records like thstvon the road. Maybe either a velodrome or just a fixed wattage.

I know I could not swim 25y at Katie's 1500m pace.

Let's see, if the men's marathon record is 2:02 at a distance of 42195m, that's 69 sec/400m. Nope, can't do that. Women's record is 2:15? That's about 77sec/400m. I think if I had several months (likely less that a year) of dedicated training I could probably come pretty close to that. That's disheartening.

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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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140triguy wrote:

Bottom line: you've got to come up swimming to be good later in life.

How do you define "good"?

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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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That's a good question. There are probably several ways to answer that, and probably don't truly summarize.

One definition might be an objective standard, like say 5x:yz in an IM swim without a wetsuit. That sort of compares triathletes to triathletes in the structure of an actual trip race, and puts triathlon swimming into the equation. Maybe there's a certain cut-off in the average field that indicates the good swimmers, like say just on the left side of the bell curve of times.

If you want to define this in absolute terms, consider the masters AG-only swimmer times for a pool 800m or 1500m race, and where a swimmer stacks up in this ranking. That doesn't do much for triathletes, bc not many triathletes swim Masters pool events.

Perhaps it's better to consider subjective standards. First, does someone LOOK like a swimmer when swimming? We all pretty much know what that looks like. A few seconds looking at a swimmer and you "know." In what lanes are the swimmers practicing during Masters squad? I'd say most of the top swimmers in these "fast lanes" are probably swimmers-only, with a few overachieving, younger triathletes mixed in. Probably the best swimming triathletes are in or just outside those "fast lanes," and do flipturns and butterfly.

I've been a masters coach, a marathoner, and a triathlete. From my experience, I know that swimmers who were competitive swimmers in their youth have an advantage that never goes away. They can take years or decades away from the pool, and come back and pick it right back up and improve faster than AOS. Because swimming is partly technique-driven, once the technique is grooved in during the plastic period of youth, it stays.

You can't judge a swimmer by body appearance, as I'm sure many triathletes know when they see a soft, muffin-top dude crushing it in the pool. Swimming doesn't penalize body weight as much as running does.
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Just FYI in case you didn't know, klehner is an AOS who's gone 51.0 100 free and 5:16 500. He did these times after about 2 yrs of swimming Masters in his late 20s. He was a decathlete in college.


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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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I would argue that this was a 1500m swim time trial more than anything.

Also, it must suck to swim to her left or right in anything 800 or above.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [realAB] [ In reply to ]
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Katie uses the same paddles as I do!! Get that people, Katie pulls with paddles in workouts...(-;
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Yes and with the already well established mechanics and strength to handle them.

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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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here is the 4IM group session from the afternoon





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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [realAB] [ In reply to ]
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Why did they put 3:03.6 on the screen after Ledecky finished her 300 free?

The world record in the 400 free was 4:04 not that long ago.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [140triguy] [ In reply to ]
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Really almost a full catch up stroke with a relatively short pull, then quick recovery and aggressive entry. Am I wrong?

Bomber kick when she goes to it in the final meters.
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Re: Katie Ledecky sets new WR in 1500m free today [ajthomas] [ In reply to ]
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It's weak sauce when she goes 3:03... did you watch the first video from that days morning swim :)

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