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Hey team,
So I'm training for a 70.3 race which is in 5 weeks time. My plan is to participate in olympic distance tri next weekend as a warm up for the 70.3.
The olympic tri is a multi-lap thing (3 lap swim, 2 lap bike, 3 lap run) and I am giving some consideration to voluntarily tacking on an extra lap each on the bike & run legs to get the total distances closer to what I'll be doing in the 70.3. I'm not doing the olympic to win so my finish time is not a factor - I just want a good opposed training day.

The only timing mats are in place as you enter/exit transition so no other mats are out on the course, and there are also no aid stations on the bike so I'm not taking stuff from other competitors in that regard.

What is the consensus - dick move or would this be OK?

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Re: Is this a dick move? [gucc_inferno] [ In reply to ]
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dick move, run the race/event as designed.
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Re: Is this a dick move? [gucc_inferno] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Is this a dick move? [gucc_inferno] [ In reply to ]
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I agree with the above. You'll presumably be out there with people much slower than you which you'll be blowing by on the bike. It'll annoy you and other competitors.
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Re: Is this a dick move? [gucc_inferno] [ In reply to ]
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More of a douche move than a dick move. Dick move is too strong for this idea.

Abandon the race and train those distances on your own, if that's what you think would benefit you. If you race then do the prescribed distance only.
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Re: Is this a dick move? [robin, run] [ In reply to ]
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Agreed. Bike and/or run after if you feel you need to. But I would think a nice hard Oly race is as good of a 70.3 prep workout as an easier 70.3ish distance slower session.
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Re: Is this a dick move? [gucc_inferno] [ In reply to ]
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DB move
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Re: Is this a dick move? [gucc_inferno] [ In reply to ]
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I disagree. If you don't care about time why does it matter? You're not doing Less of a distance.

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Re: Is this a dick move? [gucc_inferno] [ In reply to ]
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5 weeks out there isn't any reason you couldn't use an oly tri as a training day. Especially if you go out the next day and do a long or something like that.

Race the race as-is. The alternative is certainly a dick move.
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Re: Is this a dick move? [gucc_inferno] [ In reply to ]
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yup, lame move.

harden up and race... a spicy effort olympic would be a better stimulus than the sloggy longer session you've proposed. just ride long the next day (or later in the day) to hit your weekend bike volume.

For the run? a hard 10k off the bike is probably a good stand in for whatever you would have done anyways, but if you are hellbent on getting those miles in, you can always move those extra run miles to earlier in the week.
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Re: Is this a dick move? [gucc_inferno] [ In reply to ]
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Doesn't bother me. The DB / Dick move part...would be explaining to everyone that you're actually using this as a training day for your 70.3.

That said, seems like a bad plan, as other's have said. A solid effort at the Oly seems like a more appropriate (effective) training stimulus.

Again, don't walk around in the beer tent afterwards telling everyone you are really using this as a training day for your "A-race 70.3". double DB points for doing that from the podium, tripple DB points from BOP.

In other words, shutup and race the race.
Last edited by: Tom_hampton: Oct 31, 19 14:16
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Re: Is this a dick move? [gucc_inferno] [ In reply to ]
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gucc_inferno wrote:
Hey team,
So I'm training for a 70.3 race which is in 5 weeks time. My plan is to participate in olympic distance tri next weekend as a warm up for the 70.3.
The olympic tri is a multi-lap thing (3 lap swim, 2 lap bike, 3 lap run) and I am giving some consideration to voluntarily tacking on an extra lap each on the bike & run legs to get the total distances closer to what I'll be doing in the 70.3. I'm not doing the olympic to win so my finish time is not a factor - I just want a good opposed training day.

The only timing mats are in place as you enter/exit transition so no other mats are out on the course, and there are also no aid stations on the bike so I'm not taking stuff from other competitors in that regard.

What is the consensus - dick move or would this be OK?

Plenty of professionals have done this before 70.3 training for Ironman. Just do the event as prescribed then go back out afterwards and do some more bike and running.


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Re: Is this a dick move? [gucc_inferno] [ In reply to ]
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There it is. The secret is out. ITU folks dominate the 70.3 distance because they add distances onto OLY distance races.
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Re: Is this a dick move? [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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DFW_Tri wrote:
Agreed. Bike and/or run after if you feel you need to. But I would think a nice hard Oly race is as good of a 70.3 prep workout as an easier 70.3ish distance slower session.

^^^^^This.

Do a warmdown run on course (w/o your number/chip) and cheer on the other competitors.

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Re: Is this a dick move? [gucc_inferno] [ In reply to ]
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I would just do the race as prescribed, and tack on 5 miles of running immediately after crossing the line. Sounds like a good training day to me.
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Re: Is this a dick move? [gucc_inferno] [ In reply to ]
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I agree with the dickish nature of this move.

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Re: Is this a dick move? [Masnart] [ In reply to ]
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Based on my experience, easy 40-60 mile bike ride can't beat hard red zone 20 mile bike ride. I don't have much time, so that's how I train(hard & hast short ride) during week days. When I have time, I go out for a long ride, but I can't tell 20 mile hard ride makes me stronger. Just do Olympic distance and go as hard as you can and why don't do go for the podium?
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Re: Is this a dick move? [gucc_inferno] [ In reply to ]
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I often take my timing chip off and run an extra lap at 70.3 races as a build for IM races and I don't see that as overly dickish as it really impacts no one and you won't mess up the timing
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Re: Is this a dick move? [gucc_inferno] [ In reply to ]
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Dick Move, Race directors have insurance to deal with, you also run the risk of crashing on that extra lap and ruining someone else race.

Dont do the race and ride at home

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Re: Is this a dick move? [gucc_inferno] [ In reply to ]
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You are willing to spend money to do this?
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Re: Is this a dick move? [gucc_inferno] [ In reply to ]
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gucc_inferno wrote:
Hey team,
So I'm training for a 70.3 race which is in 5 weeks time. My plan is to participate in olympic distance tri next weekend as a warm up for the 70.3.
The olympic tri is a multi-lap thing (3 lap swim, 2 lap bike, 3 lap run) and I am giving some consideration to voluntarily tacking on an extra lap each on the bike & run legs to get the total distances closer to what I'll be doing in the 70.3. I'm not doing the olympic to win so my finish time is not a factor - I just want a good opposed training day.

The only timing mats are in place as you enter/exit transition so no other mats are out on the course, and there are also no aid stations on the bike so I'm not taking stuff from other competitors in that regard.

What is the consensus - dick move or would this be OK?

When you start the "third lap" of your bike, you may have volunteers screaming at you to turn around because there is no way you should be doing one more lap. Do the math and figure out what time you'll actually be starting the "third lap" in relation to the race time and others still on the course. Depending on how slow the extreme BOP is, you may very well be the last person starting the "last lap" on the bike. Sure, you may eventually catch the BOP athletes on the bike and run, but you also will stick out like a sore thumb and likely cause confusion not just to the other athletes around you, but to the volunteers.

As an example...lets say you plan to swim 35 minutes and bike 1:45 given your "extended distances." You won't start the "third lap" of your bike until 1:45 into the race (35 minute swim and 35 minutes for each of the first 2 laps on the bike). There is no way someone rolling around near 20 mph should be starting their "last lap" of the bike that late in the race. The only people that will be starting their second lap that late in the race are 45 minute swimmers and 2 hour (12.2 mph avg) bikers.
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Re: Is this a dick move? [Jason N] [ In reply to ]
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Just do the Oly Distance as a good training session. Maybe do some extra running once you have finished if you want an extra 5-10km for training.
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surfNJmatt wrote:
Dick Move, Race directors have insurance to deal with, you also run the risk of crashing on that extra lap and ruining someone else race.

Dont do the race and ride at home

My thoughts exactly. The risk of ruining yours and/or someone else's race (and jeopardize your 70.3) because of doing an extra lap is not worth it. You're also purposefully not swimming, biking and running as prescribed by the race organization so it's unethical, immoral and breaks the spirit of competition designed for the race. It's one-hundred percent wrong to do no matter how you try and justify or rationalize it.
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Re: Is this a dick move? [gucc_inferno] [ In reply to ]
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Some guy is out there busting his ass and trying to break 3:30 or 4 hours or maybe beat his peers. Being out there dicking around and going 4 hours by choosing your own course strikes me a pretty disrespectful. It would be like Tiger Woods playing in the local club championship left handed.
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Go do a 3/4ths 70.3 on your own for a training day. And do it again the next day.

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