dick move, run the race/event as designed.

If you have to ask......

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I agree with the above. You'll presumably be out there with people much slower than you which you'll be blowing by on the bike. It'll annoy you and other competitors.

More of a douche move than a dick move. Dick move is too strong for this idea.

Abandon the race and train those distances on your own, if that's what you think would benefit you. If you race then do the prescribed distance only.

Agreed. Bike and/or run after if you feel you need to. But I would think a nice hard Oly race is as good of a 70.3 prep workout as an easier 70.3ish distance slower session.

DB move

I disagree. If you don't care about time why does it matter? You're not doing Less of a distance.

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5 weeks out there isn't any reason you couldn't use an oly tri as a training day. Especially if you go out the next day and do a long or something like that.

Race the race as-is. The alternative is certainly a dick move.

yup, lame move.

harden up and race... a spicy effort olympic would be a better stimulus than the sloggy longer session you've proposed. just ride long the next day (or later in the day) to hit your weekend bike volume.

For the run? a hard 10k off the bike is probably a good stand in for whatever you would have done anyways, but if you are hellbent on getting those miles in, you can always move those extra run miles to earlier in the week.

Doesn't bother me. The DB / Dick move part...would be explaining to everyone that you're actually using this as a training day for your 70.3.

That said, seems like a bad plan, as other's have said. A solid effort at the Oly seems like a more appropriate (effective) training stimulus.

Again, don't walk around in the beer tent afterwards telling everyone you are really using this as a training day for your "A-race 70.3". double DB points for doing that from the podium, tripple DB points from BOP.

In other words, shutup and race the race.

Plenty of professionals have done this before 70.3 training for Ironman. Just do the event as prescribed then go back out afterwards and do some more bike and running.

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There it is. The secret is out. ITU folks dominate the 70.3 distance because they add distances onto OLY distance races.

^^^^^This.

Do a warmdown run on course (w/o your number/chip) and cheer on the other competitors.

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I would just do the race as prescribed, and tack on 5 miles of running immediately after crossing the line. Sounds like a good training day to me.

I agree with the dickish nature of this move.

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Based on my experience, easy 40-60 mile bike ride can't beat hard red zone 20 mile bike ride. I don't have much time, so that's how I train(hard & hast short ride) during week days. When I have time, I go out for a long ride, but I can't tell 20 mile hard ride makes me stronger. Just do Olympic distance and go as hard as you can and why don't do go for the podium?

I often take my timing chip off and run an extra lap at 70.3 races as a build for IM races and I don't see that as overly dickish as it really impacts no one and you won't mess up the timing

Dick Move, Race directors have insurance to deal with, you also run the risk of crashing on that extra lap and ruining someone else race.

Dont do the race and ride at home

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You are willing to spend money to do this?

When you start the "third lap" of your bike, you may have volunteers screaming at you to turn around because there is no way you should be doing one more lap. Do the math and figure out what time you'll actually be starting the "third lap" in relation to the race time and others still on the course. Depending on how slow the extreme BOP is, you may very well be the last person starting the "last lap" on the bike. Sure, you may eventually catch the BOP athletes on the bike and run, but you also will stick out like a sore thumb and likely cause confusion not just to the other athletes around you, but to the volunteers.

As an example...lets say you plan to swim 35 minutes and bike 1:45 given your "extended distances." You won't start the "third lap" of your bike until 1:45 into the race (35 minute swim and 35 minutes for each of the first 2 laps on the bike). There is no way someone rolling around near 20 mph should be starting their "last lap" of the bike that late in the race. The only people that will be starting their second lap that late in the race are 45 minute swimmers and 2 hour (12.2 mph avg) bikers.

 
Just do the Oly Distance as a good training session. Maybe do some extra running once you have finished if you want an extra 5-10km for training.

My thoughts exactly. The risk of ruining yours and/or someone else's race (and jeopardize your 70.3) because of doing an extra lap is not worth it. You're also purposefully not swimming, biking and running as prescribed by the race organization so it's unethical, immoral and breaks the spirit of competition designed for the race. It's one-hundred percent wrong to do no matter how you try and justify or rationalize it.

Some guy is out there busting his ass and trying to break 3:30 or 4 hours or maybe beat his peers. Being out there dicking around and going 4 hours by choosing your own course strikes me a pretty disrespectful. It would be like Tiger Woods playing in the local club championship left handed.

Go do a 3/4ths 70.3 on your own for a training day. And do it again the next day.

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Yes, very disrespectful of your fellow competitors - don't do it.

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Join me and enter the sprint event that starts a bit later? I'm guessing your doing Tinman... I'm also doing a 70.3 in 5 weeks, but only going sprint at Tinman, because I just kinda want to...

Seriously though, I wouldn't do more laps than the prescribed distance for all the reasons that others have mentioned.

Double letters in your user name. You sure you're not intending to cut a few laps short instead?

As someone who volunteers a lot , as long as you aren’t last and there is always someone behind you, it would be fine.

Maybe next year volunteer at the race.

You aren’t cutting the course.

Worst case maybe only do it for the bike and finish the run and then just keep running once you cross the line. A lot of people do that in our races.

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I see nothing wrong with what you want to do

Do the prescribed course and then add more bike and run after you finish and your timing chip is off your body.

I’ve seen many people do the run course again, but run it backwards the second time to get extra miles in or a long warm down.

I kinda did the opposite thing. A race was an OD, I did a 70.3 weeks earlier and cut the bike and run laps short. So bike was 45km and run was 10. Ended up winning the darn thing which was an unexpected (but pleasant) bonus.

Either do the Olympic race or do your own session with exactly the distances you want. Don't be an ass and mess around on the Olympic route. There's no reason you can't do the Olympic distance and then continue running (not on the course) afterwards. But don't mess around on the course - that's being a dick.

If you would cause the volunteers to have to wait for you then absolutely dont do it and it would be a good idea to run it past the race director. If the R.D. is ok with it then when you're on the 2nd loop of the bike find a spot to go off course and tack on the extra mileage and then return at the point you left the course. But really, why are you paying to do the tri if you're wanting to do your own distances?

Would anyone notice?

Definitely a dick move to tell someone what you're doing, but if someone doesn't know, discerns they're on the same lap as you, and is trying to stay with you and sees you go out for the extra lap, that might be confusing for them and kinda dickish of you.

In running races, you'll have dicks telling you some version of "I could run much faster than you slugs, but I'm just doing this as a training run". Or you'll have faster people run their cooldown back up the course and "encourage" the slower runners. Both those types of dicks should be shot.

Your plan seems more pointless than dickish (either race or don't), but it's likely no one would notice.

If i were you

do the Oly bike as hard as you can ... which is probably 10-15% (20?%) harder than 70.3 pace. Then, run HIM pace for the run. Finish the race, grab some water and then go run another 10k off the course at HIM pace or a bit faster.

The final 10k should be great prep for your 70.3 and you don’t disrespect the course / race

Just do the mini like ten times.

Why don't you just set up a solo training day with the distances you want?

An official event should be respected and raced according to the designated distance...

I can't tell if my reading comprehension is off, you're trolling, or it's sarcasm and I am just missing it.....

You won what? The 70.3 you cut short? Or you mean you used that race as a simulator (DQ'ed officially) then won the Oly you did later? Cause the first one is obviously not cool, but again, I'm not catching the tone here.

dick move

I always liked it when guys would run back up the course and shout encouragement

Or Tiger playing 21 holes and still shooting a lower score. Hell, it'd take Tiger 28 holes to match my 18 hole score...

To OP, if you want to do the race and have a longer day. do a 10 mile bike warmup if you have time before dropping bike in transition. Then cool down with 3-4 miles running after the race jogging along (not on) the course while cheering on those still out there.

It could fuck with the timing if you have an extra bike split and an extra run split

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These people are the worst. Somewhat course dependent but it's best to stay off the course if you've finished, if you need to continue exercising, I'm sure there is somewhere else nearby you could get it in without being a distraction (to volunteers, officials and other athletes).

OP - just do the distance you signed up for, doing an extra lap on the bike and/or run is going to have very little to no impact on your 70.3 in 5 weeks.

Just do a pro move like your adopted countryman Scott Molina. Post under a 1:55 for the Oly course and then go out for a quick hour ride, pick up your winners trophy at the awards ceremony and shake the hand of the last place finisher as they come across the line. Did it at my race. Now that was a total pro move, not like some scheme you come up by confusing the whole event without a purpose.
Or just race as hard as you can and go run a hour after the event. Won't effect the event and probably be a better workout.

Sorry, stupid thread hence my stupid response! I was attempting to be humorous!

You failed.

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Yup. Forgot this forum is predominated by Americans....

For the record I spilt my coffee on this one due to laughing, but I’m Canadian.

Thought is was funny too.

Oh God, I hate those people

I can't decide if they're worse than the ones you see running around with their bibs already on half a mile away from the starting area

"What? 13.1 or 26.2 miles isn't enough for you?"

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idk about dick move but it is certainly unnecessary. I would love an oly tune-up race if not to just test my fitness. If you wnt to turn it into a training day then just do intervals using the same distance. Intervals are better for training than just going all out for 2+ hours

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