Ironman swim cheats

Oct 14, 19 14:04

Post #1 of 72 (12646 views)

Saw this post that someone reposted on Facebook. I know someone posted about this a number of years ago but it appears people are still doing it if this post is real.

It can't be that difficult (especially now that there are separate waves) to check each and every participant prior to the swim and catch the cheaters red handed? Wonder how many of these diaper wearers actually podiumed?

Ok Kona done and dusted , suprize in girls race and how good was Frodo ! I got 2 things to say about the race 1) I find it crazy sad how I walk in the toilets after the swim and find 5 pairs of neoprene shorts in there ! I mean what is wrong with people seriousely !! Cheats ! And I’m sure the other toilets had same ..2) why would u give bottles out on the bike that’s are too small for anyone’s cages 🤷🏻‍♂️plain dumb ! My race went pair shaped with heat stroke , what can I say it got me real good I was dizzy walking for 30km sat down 20 times talking to myself lol even 3km out didn’t think I’d finish ...Kona gets us all at some point ! Aloha ! #fastgearaustralia #johnhillracing #konaheat #humid #triathlon

Re: Ironman swim cheats [2brokenhips] [ In reply to ]

Oct 14, 19 15:28

Post #2 of 72 (12353 views)

They wear the neoprene shorts under a swim skin and then ditch them in the toilet after the swim, is that it?

Re: Ironman swim cheats [2brokenhips] [ In reply to ]

Oct 14, 19 15:33

Post #3 of 72 (12315 views)

They gave out those slender Gatorade bottles? What is with those atrocities - I just ordered a 24 pack of the better thicker kind and they sent me the slim ones. I hope the other ones aren’t going away as it was the perfect design for cycling.

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Re: Ironman swim cheats [2brokenhips] [ In reply to ]

Oct 14, 19 15:34

Post #4 of 72 (12312 views)

2brokenhips wrote:

Saw this post that someone reposted on Facebook. I know someone posted about this a number of years ago but it appears people are still doing it if this post is real.

It can't be that difficult (especially now that there are separate waves) to check each and every participant prior to the swim and catch the cheaters red handed? Wonder how many of these diaper wearers actually podiumed?

Ok Kona done and dusted , suprize in girls race and how good was Frodo ! I got 2 things to say about the race 1) I find it crazy sad how I walk in the toilets after the swim and find 5 pairs of neoprene shorts in there ! I mean what is wrong with people seriousely !! Cheats ! And I’m sure the other toilets had same ..2) why would u give bottles out on the bike that’s are too small for anyone’s cages 🤷🏻‍♂️plain dumb ! My race went pair shaped with heat stroke , what can I say it got me real good I was dizzy walking for 30km sat down 20 times talking to myself lol even 3km out didn’t think I’d finish ...Kona gets us all at some point ! Aloha ! #fastgearaustralia #johnhillracing #konaheat #humid #triathlon

Insane. I didn’t see any neoprene shorts in the toilets but that’s pretty sad that people did that. — I suffered some heat exhaustion too. Jumped into the ocean and took some cold baths and that helped a ton!!

I hope you’re feeling better.

Re: Ironman swim cheats [marzrya] [ In reply to ]

Oct 14, 19 16:09

Post #5 of 72 (12160 views)

I really hope that deep down inside, cheaters feel
some remorse. I doubt it. Such is the state of our society, I’m afraid. Anyone who feels the need to use a crutch in swimming (that’s that neoprene shorts are), doesn’t deserve to be at a World Championship. Argue all you want about the minute true advantage of floaty pants, but those are specifically banned by the rules.

I’m a true fish. I may come off as dismissive of the struggle that non-swimmers face in OWS, taking my own comfort and background for granted. But I stand firmly by this statement. Swimming is the shortest component of the day, sure, but it’s still a part of a triathlon. Cheaters not only don’t earn their spots in officials results, they also potentially bump rules-followers who do everything right lower down the final classification. Cheaters hurt others.

Re: Ironman swim cheats [140triguy] [ In reply to ]

Oct 14, 19 16:18

Post #6 of 72 (12100 views)

I sometimes use floaty pants in the pool when my coach wants to make swims a little easier. I'd say they give me at least 5 seconds/100m as a strong swimmer, more I'd imagine for weaker swimmers. Definitely no minute advantage, that's a free 3+ minutes. Hearing this makes me sad.

Re: Ironman swim cheats [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]

Oct 14, 19 16:28

Post #7 of 72 (12035 views)

I'd say they give me at least 5 seconds/100m as a strong swimmer,//

That doesnt seem possible for a top swimmer, I figure I get about a second and a half a 100, so about that minute. 5 seconds is approaching full wetsuit gains for top guys, and these are a fraction of the floatation. Of course it is a lot more for MOP/BOP swimmers, so their incentive is a lot stronger. But of course it all goes to mindset, to me this is like course cutting, and worse than doping. At least the dopers are risking a serious consequence to cheat, these folks are risking nothing. It would be fun to have a camera in those port o potties, or someone checking after each use. I do remember hearing a few years ago about all the stuff left in there, thought that would have been taken care of by now. Guess we need floaty pants police now, like the new bike motor genderames...

Re: Ironman swim cheats [monty] [ In reply to ]

Oct 14, 19 17:05

Post #8 of 72 (11918 views)

monty wrote:

I'd say they give me at least 5 seconds/100m as a strong swimmer,//

That doesnt seem possible for a top swimmer, I figure I get about a second and a half a 100, so about that minute. 5 seconds is approaching full wetsuit gains for top guys, and these are a fraction of the floatation. Of course it is a lot more for MOP/BOP swimmers, so their incentive is a lot stronger. But of course it all goes to mindset, to me this is like course cutting, and worse than doping. At least the dopers are risking a serious consequence to cheat, these folks are risking nothing. It would be fun to have a camera in those port o potties, or someone checking after each use. I do remember hearing a few years ago about all the stuff left in there, thought that would have been taken care of by now. Guess we need floaty pants police now, like the new bike motor genderames...

You have a very weird and perverted idea of what constitutes fun. :-/

Re: Ironman swim cheats [monty] [ In reply to ]

Oct 14, 19 17:17

Post #9 of 72 (11825 views)

You would think you would lose most of the "floaty pants benefit" by having to stop in the porta potty and take them off. Seems like a weird risk/reward ratio.

Re: Ironman swim cheats [monty] [ In reply to ]

Oct 14, 19 17:21

Post #10 of 72 (11813 views)

We do sets of 10x100m on the 1:20, and I'll come in at 1:15 in these without too much effort. Maybe I'll say 3 seconds, not 5 since I'm fudging a bit with my relative effort, but the advantage is pretty substantial, at least for me. Granted, I'm not on your swimming level, but I'm decent

Re: Ironman swim cheats [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]

Oct 14, 19 17:42

Post #11 of 72 (11724 views)

I'm not on your swimming level, but I'm decent //

You are right about one thing, we are not on the same level!! My days of 100'sLCM on the 1;20, crusing in at 1;15 are well in the rear view mirror. I could maybe do a set of 10 pulling them, but it would not be easy, or comfortable( I imagine I'm probably 30 years older than you too)... (-;

So have you swam in a proper swim skin, how much do you get out of that? I certainly got more out of the skins than floaty pants, about 3 seconds per 100 there.

Re: Ironman swim cheats [mickison] [ In reply to ]

Oct 14, 19 17:49

Post #12 of 72 (11673 views)

Happens Every year. You would think that IM would having a surprise official in there.

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Re: Ironman swim cheats [2brokenhips] [ In reply to ]

Oct 14, 19 17:59

Post #13 of 72 (11628 views)

If I ever get to Kona, I'll be so far up the Age Groups, I'll have to wear the waterproof version of Depends [like kiddies' swim diapers] so cut me a fucking break, will ya?

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Re: Ironman swim cheats [2brokenhips] [ In reply to ]

Oct 14, 19 18:08

Post #14 of 72 (11559 views)

Sad to hear. I raced and saw many instances of cheating. Many receiving water bottles from family/friends, a coach walking and talking with their athlete, numerous wheel sucks on the bike. I’m disappointed people don’t have the character to follow the rules.

Re: Ironman swim cheats [monty] [ In reply to ]

Oct 14, 19 18:23

Post #15 of 72 (11492 views)

The one thing that’s changed is you and other spectators have a full view of everyone walking through the corals to race start.

The cynical side of me sadly found myself looking for suspicious bulges under their swim skins.

Didn’t see anything, not that it couldn’t have happened. But at least athletes now know they will be subject to a few thousand eyeballs beforehand.

Maurice

Re: Ironman swim cheats [monty] [ In reply to ]

Oct 14, 19 18:44

Post #16 of 72 (11413 views)

Yeah, it's good to be in your early 20's. That's all I'm gonna say about that :D although I'm pretty sure back in your day you could blow me out of the water.

I've never actually swum in a swim skin, only non-wetsuit swims I've done were either draft legal races or back before I had any clue what any of that stuff was. Seems to me like the buoyancy of the shorts would be way more beneficial, but I don't really know.

Re: Ironman swim cheats [2brokenhips] [ In reply to ]

IKnowEverything

Oct 14, 19 18:49

Post #17 of 72 (11370 views)

I’ve never been to Kona so I don’t know if they could change the transition, but what if they just out the ports potties after the change tents? That way anyone that leaves the change tent still wearing a swim skin can be easily ID’d as a likely cheater, since they can’t ditch it before.

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Re: Ironman swim cheats [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]

Oct 14, 19 19:06

Post #18 of 72 (11270 views)

for a slow swimmer like myself, the buoyancy helps quite a bit. To be fair, I have not swam in a race in the buoyancy shorts but a wetsuit legal swim i definitely move further in front of my typical MOP. But maybe I’m wrong and the buoyancy shorts wouldn’t have a huge impact for me.

Re: Ironman swim cheats [Danmelbre] [ In reply to ]

Oct 14, 19 19:19

Post #19 of 72 (11227 views)

During the later stages of the women’s pro race there was a helicopter shot of a top finisher being accompanied by a cyclist. It went on for a good bit.

Re: Ironman swim cheats [Bigringonly] [ In reply to ]

Oct 14, 19 19:22

Post #20 of 72 (11216 views)

Bigringonly wrote:

During the later stages of the women’s pro race there was a helicopter shot of a top finisher being accompanied by a cyclist. It went on for a good bit.

She talked about that in post race interviews so don't think there was anything against the rules going on

Re: Ironman swim cheats [Bigringonly] [ In reply to ]

Oct 14, 19 19:25

Post #21 of 72 (11194 views)

Bigringonly wrote:

During the later stages of the women’s pro race there was a helicopter shot of a top finisher being accompanied by a cyclist. It went on for a good bit.

As long as nobody was wearing a gorilla outfit, it's fine.

Re: Ironman swim cheats [mauricemaher] [ In reply to ]

Oct 14, 19 19:28

Post #22 of 72 (11174 views)

mauricemaher wrote:

The cynical side of me sadly found myself looking for suspicious bulges under their swim skins.

Yikes! That sounds like a different kind of cheating.

Re: Ironman swim cheats [2brokenhips] [ In reply to ]

Oct 14, 19 22:19

Post #23 of 72 (10838 views)

That water is so salty, you pretty much float without even trying. Buoyancy shorts on that swim is not really helping you be faster in kona.

Re: Ironman swim cheats [2brokenhips] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 19 2:30

Post #24 of 72 (10498 views)

Saw this in Chattanooga also. Which is funny since it’s known as an easy swim. After the race I watched a video of the start that my wife took. The lady in front of me had neoprene shorts on. Anyone using a wetsuit of any kind was supposed to start at the end and wasn’t eligible for any awards or anything.

I will admit, that after seeing this I did not turn her in. I did look up her results though as I saw her race number in the video, and she was not near the top of her age group. If she had been, and claimed a Kona spot, I would’ve sent her name in to the race director.

Re: Ironman swim cheats [Cup] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 19 5:13

Post #25 of 72 (10169 views)

I’ve posted about this before

Race in Jacksonville saw two guys with ROKA neoprene SIM shorts in a non wetsuit legal Tri

Told the swim starter he looked and confirmed

After the race he asks me if they were DQed.

I said how would I know. He says well I’m the assistant race director and I told the ref.

Turns out nothing happened to them. They got 2nd and 3rd in their age group

Go figure.

Last edited by: MrTri123: Oct 15, 19 5:14

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