No, if I wanted to stick a dagger in, I'd ask about your Newtons.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Sorry don't get the Newton joke, unless it's about the shoes, which I have no idea about.

Does that mean you won't be answering my original question?

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Sorry don't get the Newton joke, unless it's about the shoes, which I have no idea about.

Well, shoot. I must have you confused with someone else. In my mind, that was hilarious.

Does that mean you won't be answering my original question?

It was a stupid question, so yes, that means I won't be answering it.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

As a college professor, then, you understand what "meta-message" means and the importance of context.

It is not about being prudish or trying to totally protect kids from the environment.

If a kid (or adult) watches some near-porn on HBO on 1am, they know what it is. They know it is not appropriate for prime time, but it is an interesting look at life. Same with much art.

Conversely, you start putting inappropriate references to sex, etc., on 7pm or 8pm shows and the meta-message is that "this stuff is the baseline for normal behavior and interactions". It shifts one's understanding - unless your views are already relatively grounded - about what is appropriate as a general matter in all contexts.

I think people of ALL ages are very cognizant and reactive to the context of sexual content (or violent content). Everyone knows naked women are in Playboy and porn is on the internet - but that is contextually segregrated from what is mainstream behavior. If every famous athlete and young actress or singer were to pose in Playboy, it is very naive to think that wouldn't send a message about what is OK as mainstream behavior. You might say "who cares about the naked body". Sure, as a mature adult, that is a valid point of view. But as an immature teenage girl dealing with immature teenage boys or, heck, just period, it is good to have to baseline boundaries so, for example, you don't think it's cool to post naked pictures of yourself on myspace. Note that understanding such boundaries is quite distinct from being unfamilar with what is on the other side of the boundary.

"the example you gave which seems to say that had your cousin had good parents who sheltered her she would not have gotten pregnant and slept around"

"Would my cousin have had the kid with good parents? Maybe"

Huh? I said it might have happened with good parents right in the post. Read the whole thing

Sorry to disappoint about the Newton joke.

Ahhh, the old, "claim the tough question is stupid angle." I see. Oh, well I was really hoping to see the posts you allege to be in this thread that, apparently, I had missed.

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well I was really hoping to see the posts you allege to be in this thread that, apparently, I had missed.

I'm going to help you out with this, just this once. Don't tell Paulo, I'm sure he'd think less of me for it.

It was a stupid question because I did not allege that any such posts were in this thread.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

"Either that, or they get the idea that the only thing people value in women- even women who've reached the very pinnacle of their field of endeavor- is sex. "

Just because you can't see past sex doesn't mean the rest of us can't.

Post #97 says otherwise. Why would anyone give a fuck what Paulo thinks about them?????

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Easy on the language, bucko. Let's keep this civil.

Post #97 says otherwise.

Not to people who can read.

Why would anyone give a fuck what Paulo thinks about them?????

Because Paulo is a magnificent bastard, that's why.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I know, you're right. Playboy is all about art, and not sex. Oh, and the articles.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I'm not sure if your post was directed at me as it had nothing to do with my post. I'm also not sure if your post is claiming that I'm one of the "Prudish" parents.

As far as the proffesors claim that children of "Prudish parents are most at risk" I'd love to see the criteria and studies to back it other than "My experiance". Now I'm not arguing that children that come from controlling house holds will likely freak out once they have college'esque freedom. But I'd venture to guess that children that come from house holds with proper boundries and some semblence of teaching of self control fair far better than those that are simply raised under the "Do as you please" rule.

As far as pornography, art, Playboy, freaking out and nudity...well, IMHO, pornography is not art, nudity is not necesarily art, nudity is not necessarily pornography and Playboy falls somewhere around the line of pornography. Maybe soft porn, but still serves more of a purpose of porn than art. Freaking out, nope, no reason to freak out about any of it. As far as a 3 year old, not to worried about it, it's the effect of the constant bombardment of this type of thing from TV, magazines, etc etc over a period of years that I'm worried about.

~Matt

Sorry, I forgot your children might see your lips move as you read that word and become horrible people. I apologize!

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I don't have kids.

But I am trying to be an adult having a conversation with someone who, rather than having good points to add, just starts cussing.

"I know, you're right. Playboy is all about art, and not sex. Oh, and the articles."

So what, art can't be sexy? Don't tell The Louvre or The Orsay...

"So what, art can't be sexy? Don't tell The Louvre or The Orsay..."

Are you seriously comparing Playboy, Amanda Beard posing nude, and sexuality in the media to The Louvre and The Orsay?

lol! I can see it now.

Teenager: "But Ma! Getting me a subscription to Playboy is almost as good as sending me to vist the Louvre! I'm an art aficionado, Ma!"

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I agree with you entirely Paul.

But unfortunately , there is one helluva' lot of people with hangups regarding nudity.

I started a thread ( which was thrown over to the Lavender room ) about Fernanda Keller and comments written in to Triathlete Magazine , about her.

I'm surprised these people don't ask the women in our sport to race in Burqa's.

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"You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream" - Les Brown
"Discipline is the bridge between goals and accomplishment" - Jim Rohn

I tried that...oddly enough my parents didn't buy it....

I'm surprised these people don't ask the women in our sport to race in Burqa's.

I'm surprised that the fact that nobody objects to women racing in bathing suits or sports bras, but some do object to a Playboy spread is so entirely lost on you.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I'm a guy, I'm 46, I'm mildy overweight
I would love to have a body worthy of posing nude.
I love women, nude women even better. I love the wonderful curves on women.
I think athletic women generally look better than the general public and most times I find when they are nude they look better than bimbo nude models. (bimbos might be skinny, but rarely have any decently defined muscles and there seems to be a pre-occupation with large breasts on most women who pose nude. the make up is usually to hide the model rather than to accentuate her real beauty)

I think there needs to be an adjustment in peoples thinking, to differentiate between nude photographs (soft porn as many people call it) and "gynaecology shots" that many magazines etc seem to gravitate to (harder core porn in most peoples definition)

Artfully and respectfully displaying images of a consenting person with a worthy figure is to be encouraged in my opinion. Distasteful gynaecalogical shots are to be discouraged,as a general rule.

I think for people with kids for example, one needs to carefully evaluate ones own morals, along with the morals being taught to the child and a clear approach to ones self and to parenting need to be worked out prior to it being an issue. There's also the issue of age appropriate answers for kids.

My wife turns 48 tomorrow. Like me she is past her prime and is mildly overweight. Still, I look forward to seeing her naked as I think she looks fantastic and I find her attractive in that I want to be closer to her when she is naked. I doubt many others would find her or me attractive without clothes, so we stay clothed in public.

Here at ST, generally we strive to working out to get better figures, as a way to perform better, with the dream to one day make a living as a pro, thanks to our great bodies. I see nothing wrong with making money from our bodies with a heart rate of 60, standing in front of a camera, rather than a heart rate of 160 hammering down Queen K Hiway, racing for a podium and a payday.

Long live naked people with worthy bodies. :-)

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"Happiness is a myth. All you can hope for is to get laid once in a while, drunk once in a while and to eat chocolate every day"

So me using a curse word with Vitus, who returned the favor really got yours in a bunch?!?!?!

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I don't think anyone needs to cuss. But if you have to cuss to make your point, your point might not be worth making.

Did it get mine "in a bunch"? No. But, I now know you aren't intelligent enough to formulate a good argument with well orchestrated points.

Anyway, carry on.

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