cyclops wrote:
Chinley Churner wrote:
No, because the 4th and 5th are congruous with a civilised modern society, the 2nd isn't.
we need the 2nd so we can go into a civil war once the government takes us into the tyranny of the dark ages. i.e. we need guns to make sure we stay civilized. Hitler was for gun control, why? The first thing you do before setting up authoritarian gov. is disarm the citizens so you don't enter a civil war that is inevitable when you try to enslave the populous.
Let me say two things to you, in complete seriousness. First, can you name one conflict in the 20th century, where, once the citizens really decided - as a people - to rebel against the government, that obtaining weapons was a problem? Let me help you: Vietnam, Bosnia, Kosovo, Lebanon, Libya, Syria - all countries where the international gun dealers had a field day supplying national liberation armies. I notice that Germany is always the example - but it is probably not the one you intended - the fact is the vast majority of Germans supported the Nazi government in its heyday, just like the vast majority of Americans supported our last illegal war of choice. An opinion like yours only sounds reasonable in a country like America, with its fantasy creation myths and puff-chested self-image.
Second, do you really think the government is scared of you and your peashooter, and that it somehow prevents tyrnanny? Let me enlighten you. A gun might have been an effective deterrent in the 1700s, but, armed with a gun, here's how your theoretical anti-government rebellion would end. Scene: you, crouched, peering out the window clutching your AR-15, fantasies of glorious minutemen spinning in your head. A quarter second later, a hellfire missile, dropped by an unseen drone circling 20,000 feet above you and 10 miles away, pierces your roof and levels half your suburban block, turning you, your family, and some unlucky neighbors into human burger meat. I'm sure the government is terrified of you, Walter Mitty.