Yknot,
I am filling in information as it comes to me.
There were 3 men riding and 2 women. The 3 men and 1 woman were ahead of the accident. The 2nd woman was behind the two people that crashed. Neither of whom were in her group.
I actually don't have to worry about getting my story straight. I had nothing to do with this. And it is clear that people posting pics of our members in this forum and assuming they had anything to do with Dave's terrible accident is fairly premature.

I was simply trying to clear the air because I don't ride with anyone that wouldn't help out a fallen cyclist or one in need.

The 2nd woman said she called 911 to report the accident. Perhaps the car got to Dave before she did. It doesn't matter who called or in what order they called, the important issue was that she saw both parties go down and non of them were members of her group. I don't know and really it doesn't matter because the only person that could actually know what happened was the individual that was in the crash with Dave. No one knows who that person was.

Riding is extremely dangerous and they often say it's not if, but rather when you will go down. As stated before I wish all the best to Dave.

I don't have all the information and was simply trying to clear the air and hopefully bring in some information that might help.

Yknot,
I am filling in information as it comes to me.
There were 3 men riding and 2 women. The 3 men and 1 woman were ahead of the accident. The 2nd woman was behind the two people that crashed. Neither of whom were in her group.
I actually don't have to worry about getting my story straight. I had nothing to do with this. And it is clear that people posting pics of our members in this forum and assuming they had anything to do with Dave's terrible accident is fairly premature.

I was simply trying to clear the air because I don't ride with anyone that wouldn't help out a fallen cyclist or one in need.

The 2nd woman said she called 911 to report the accident. Perhaps the car got to Dave before she did. It doesn't matter who called or in what order they called, the important issue was that she saw both parties go down and non of them were members of her group. I don't know and really it doesn't matter because the only person that could actually know what happened was the individual that was in the crash with Dave. No one knows who that person was.

Riding is extremely dangerous and they often say it's not if, but rather when you will go down. As stated before I wish all the best to Dave.

I don't have all the information and was simply trying to clear the air and hopefully bring in some information that might help.

Ah, the beauty of slowtwitch, just slamming people because. Dave simply asked if anyone had any details on his accident and it has turned into attacking Garrett and the WCTC. (And Dave I'm not talking about you.) Garrett has simply given his account of what has happened and you all continue to attack. Had he not said anything you still would have attacked him/ WCTC. None of you people were there except Dave, back off and wait for some facts before just attacking people.

Updated on the Swamis google group.

http://groups.google.com/group/swamis-cycling

I heard some riders talking about a crash while having coffee at Nytro post ride.

Ill keep mining Dave, keep getting better.

back off and wait for some facts before just attacking people.

A wonder WHY they would be in a pace-line. You can't get in one "legally" in a race - so why do it in practice?

I just assume its the roadies on tri-bikes that can't seem to break the drafting mind-set.

To all:

I am a member of West Coast Tri and I ride an Elite Razor TT bike. First, I want to express that I hope Dave has a speedy recovery. Also I want to let you ALL know that NONE of the people in my group or I clip Dave as some my previously written/concluded that a WCTC rider "possibly" with an Elite bike did. I was descending down Del Dios with 3 other people in this order: my training partner Trevor (also on WCTC), myself, a guy named John and my Coach Terry. I remember passing a rider with a Garmin jersey, which was apparently Dave. Trevor, myself and John all cleanly passed by Dave and another rider in the street. My coach Terry was back a little further and watched us pass without any issues. She then passed Dave on her own to reconnect with us. After that we obviously can not comment on what we did not see. But what we can comment on is that we did not make contact with Dave or see him go down.

However another person that was riding with us earlier, named Julie did witness Dave and a few other people go down. According to what Julie told Trevor and I is that she was riding with a guy named Bill in a Phit Group kit. Julie indicated that she did not see exactly what made Dave crash but she said that all of a sudden she saw him and another rider in the air and then went down. Julie indicated that after that Bill went down along with another guy riding a white Colnago. Julie said she called 911 and that all of those riders got themselves together along with another rider that stopped who was an orthopedic doctor and stayed with Dave until the Medics got there.

Again, I did not witness this as I am just relaying what Julie told me happened. I would appreciate it if people would stop arguing on here about roadies and triathletes. That's lame. Someone got hurt out on the road and that's all the matters. Not what type of bike you ride.

Also, Garrett is a great friend of mine and someone I have the utmost respect for. He did not mean any disrespect in his previous post. He was only trying to look out for his friends and teammates.

-Scott