At IMLP, is there an estimate as to how long it will take to get all 2,500 in the water swimming? Peter

Swim over me and I'll put my heel into your teeth.

If I happen to see your location later in transition then I'll empty a GU on your handlebars and let the air out of your back tire.

Good luck and race hard ;)

Do you have any knowledge of how wide the starting corral will be at IMCDA?

You taking no consideration for someone who is seeded properly yet was accidentally kicked or elbowed and is trying to recover.

It just shows your superficial, reactionary lack of respect of people. When did they let 10 year old race anyway?

52 is COLD.

I'd probably be willing to soldier through it, but man it would take a lot of motivation.

Last summer I tried to swim across swiftcurrent lake in glacier park. I made it 45 seconds before I turned around. And that was after swimming at IMCDA and thinking it was "nice".

No idea what the water temp was at swiftcurrent, but I've never felt anything like that in my life.

"Do you have any knowledge of how wide the starting corral will be at IMCDA?"

no.

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I'd swim over so fast that you would not have time to react. As for seeing me in transition, you wouldn't.... by the time you got to the run transition, I'd be done cooling off with a cold one. LOL.

[quote ga_fE_man EN swimming did not make you faster.... swimming more made faster. EN just gave you some bad information and you swam, biked and ran more. Hate to tell you that's the key, shhhhhh.... it's a secret. Don't tell anyone that if you swim, bike and run more and faster you'll get better at swimming, biking and running.[/quote]

This aint my first rodeo sport. This will be my fifth IM and, I'll save you the effort, my best time was 11:57 and my worst was 14:22. Their approach is significantly different that I've done in the past and, in fact, I'm biking LESS and running MORE (but fewer miles). Swim is about the same.

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So was the 14:22 before or after the EN courses? You've got me confused on this one, "running MORE (but fewer miles)"...... So are you running slower? Another EN less is more thing, run slower and get faster. Plus, your "biking LESS" I'm confused???? How is this bettter for you?

I suppose I am very very old school. But hey, that why I do so well at the races, my competition is getting weaker and I am getting older. Have fun with that.

Trihard4me,

I haven't seen you trolling around here in awhile. Were you in hibernation for the winter, or have I just not been in the right (wrong) threads? Or are you and hotman one in the same?

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it's a bit of a strawman or red herring to argue that the guntime/chiptime thing contributes.... because mostly it's not the issue, but also because you're probably right. The real issue is why isn't WTC doing an elite wave (gun time, for awards) and a participant wave (chip time, in corrals).

IOW, the impetus for things not working like a marathon corral system is the draft on the swim, not the gun time/chip time thing.

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I've been in hibernation, training in the basement. The fresh spring air woke me up..... I'm back:-) As long as Dan does not ban me. I am just getting started too. Don't know who hotman is.

I'm not sure this would work very well.

I know for a fact that an OWS sans wet-suit time would not be any true indication of what I'd do in a fresh-water, wet-suit swim. It would seed me faster than I should be for the conditions - and that's the thing - a mass start would allow me to asses conditions on the day and seed myself accordingly.

bcagle25, devashish_paul

Fair enough, you both make a good points,

Everyone gets nervous; however, if there is a possibility you may flip out and have trouble during the swim then perhaps a bit more experience at smaller races should be gathered before entering a full distance mass start race. I just don�t see why the rules need to be changed to makeraces that sell out a year in advance more accessible, Just my opinion.


Perhaps I should focus on the safety advantages of thechanges rather than perceiving them as diminishing the race.

Generally true, but I know some really fast swimmers who suck at biking/running.

I don't see a problem with this. Would you rather that moper that "sucks at swimming" use you for a resting raft. The only time I've come close to drowning (while swimming) was while attempting to rescue a distressed swimmer.


This is the most important thing of all (are you reading this, Endurance Nation?).

They are actually making it more affordable for everyone.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

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They are actually making it more affordable for everyone.[/quote]
I don't how they are making it more affordable? More lifeguard to pay, those floating rafts cost money, the lawsuits against the RD and the venue increase our prices. I say those suck swimmer are costing us more money at the races because they are a liablity, a distaster waiting to happen.

Tell me please, is this a new thing for triathlete swimmers? I see multiple triathletes in the pool swimming 25 yards and then running backwards in the pool 25 yards and then repeating over and over and over. I think they put in 2000 or so yards but half is running in the pool. Is this some new EN thing? They swim hard that 25 yards too. However, it makes circle swimming impossible in a lane with some dude jogging backward in the lane.

I don't how they are making it more affordable? More lifeguard to pay, those floating rafts cost money, the lawsuits against the RD and the venue increase our prices. I say those suck swimmer are costing us more money at the races because they are a liablity, a distaster waiting to happen.

Tell me please, is this a new thing for triathlete swimmers? I see multiple triathletes in the pool swimming 25 yards and then running backwards in the pool 25 yards and then repeating over and over and over. I think they put in 2000 or so yards but half is running in the pool. Is this some new EN thing? They swim hard that 25 yards too. However, it makes circle swimming impossible in a lane with some dude jogging backward in the lane.[/quote]
That must be some form of crossfit.

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I don't how they are making it more affordable? More lifeguard to pay, those floating rafts cost money, the lawsuits against the RD and the venue increase our prices. I say those suck swimmer are costing us more money at the races because they are a liablity, a distaster waiting to happen.

Tell me please, is this a new thing for triathlete swimmers? I see multiple triathletes in the pool swimming 25 yards and then running backwards in the pool 25 yards and then repeating over and over and over. I think they put in 2000 or so yards but half is running in the pool. Is this some new EN thing? They swim hard that 25 yards too. However, it makes circle swimming impossible in a lane with some dude jogging backward in the lane.[/quote]
Let's the mops and the bops take their ball and go to Zumba classes instead. Approximately 2/3 - 4/5 of the field disappears. With it goes 2/3 of the market for tri bikes/clothing/etc. How much more money do you think a P2, or any carbon bike, would cost if you lopped off 66% of potential sales?

Instead of 1,000 "racers" paying entry fees and enticing sponsors to pony up ad money and support you only get 300. What do you think that would do to the entry fees?

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

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Sounds pretty bad-ass to me, mate.

This change sucks horses. The reason that IM's are more fun that other races is the mass start. For Dev and others to whine about people being insensitive, who cares. If we wanted to be sensitive we would do other sports. Harden up and practice the swim.

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Jimmy S.

+2.

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Barry Dmitruk
2017: Florida 70.3 (done); Mont Tremblant 70.3 & Ironman

I'm not super slow (or super fast) in the water, but if you'd like to swim over the top of me I invite you to go ahead and try it...

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

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Probably not a great idea to tell me to go train because you really don't want to try to keep up wth my training :-)

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The only reason this behavior is viewed "acceptable" in the swim (by some), but obviously unacceptable on the run is because they essentially don't have to face the person after the act. I think that there is a word for that.