Will the Sub 6 come in wide sizes as well? E.g. 44wide? Random aside: you guys might consider adding a two-hole drilling behind where you guys current drill for three-hole cleats. I've done four TTs this year, total sample size of ~200, and I've seen twelve people who've drilled their own shoes for mid-foot cleat mounting.... and lot's of people were asking those people why they were running SPD cleats/pedals.

So how long do we have to wait to see the 'new shiv TT'?
and when we do can we please have a new name this venge/venge, shiv/shiv (and speedconcept/speedconcept, p3/p3 etc) is not great when you are trying to find details!

The shoes have more flexibility for the cleat placement. They have the ability to move further back than other shoes. Not mid foot but a couple 3-5 mm more as an estimate.

How does this bike climb compared to the current Tarmac sworks? I know the last Venge was awesome on pancake rides but didn't do as well on the hills.

The data from MCLarens on this showed the Tarmac climb slightly better but this was negated before you hit the mid point downhill. Chris might be able give more precise details as I don't have that data but it was pretty close.

Are the tube sizes different between the different sizes? With the Tarmac, this was the main thing talked about when it was released.

I don't have a Tarmac but I know the tubes are different. They really moved away from uniform sizes on this bike.

EPS V3 PU and downtube placement.
-SD

Yes, we did several combinations of the 25 rise bar vs. 25mm of stem spacers and the flat bar. In every case, the rise bar ended up on average 0.0015 m^2 lower drag than the spacer+flat bar config (in the neighborhood of 1-2W at race speeds). Keep in mind this comparison was with our aero shaped spacers, so the same exercise with round spacers would net a larger difference.

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1. No word yet on timing for non SW versions. I know they are going full steam churning out enough SW bikes and modules right now.

2. Noted. And I like being able to blame Dave, haha.

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Hmm, an interesting idea....

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Any sizing concerns with these new CLX 64 wheels and last year's Venge? I have a 2015 Venge Expert Ultegra that is begging for a wheel upgrade.

Also, I may have missed it but when will the wheels be available?

+1. Having someone from the company willing to answer questions is good. If other posters start insulting people who pose reasonable questions, this negates the value of probing for actual data.
In fact, asking for data of the separate components of a particular bike will be highly enlightening as to how much each component contributes to aero-ness (granting it's not a direct addition thing).
So if we have information on the S5 with a round handlebar vs the S5 with its new handlebar, a Venge with a round handlebar vs its aero handlebar etc, then we would have a better idea of how much improved another bike, say an AR or a Foil, would be with an S5 or Venge handlebar, or an aftermarket aero handlebar with similar testing available.

ETA: Chris, do you have any data you're willing to share with regards to how much more aero/how many watts saved the Venge is with the present cockpit vs a non-integrated one? I see from the media blurb that you have actually done the tests. http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com/.../23/2/vias19_670.jpg

Sorry, I don't understand this. I'm guessing there is an EPS V3 coming that will be able to go in the downtube (how would it get in there?) but don't know what 'PU' is.

Wide will be available for both Sworks 6 & Sub6 in black only.

You could also add Speedplay extender base plates to the further offset mounting holes and perhaps not have to re drill

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Chris-
There are 3 bikes on this graph that are not labeled. Are you at liberty, I understand if you are not, to disclose which bikes those three are and in what order they appear?

PU = Power Unit

Yeah. Asked that on the last page.

No response.

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I'm hoping that common sense will prevail and they will make more details public. I can understand the need to protect a large business from getting sued for libel, but both Cervelo and Felt, among others, have proved you can show data with labels and not get into a boat load of trouble.

That actually wouldn't be a bad idea. There has to be an industry wide standard comparison. If not, things get very confusing. But I guess that would have a bad impact on marketability of a product. I assume most bikes are way closer to each other in "aeroness" than commercials want us to believe.

The CLX64s fit last year's Venge but it's a tight fit. I've been running them on my original Venge for a while now.

Edit: Available starting Sept.

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Do you have a cross section of the new wheels to share, or is this something that will come out once the wheels are available?

I read on the ST homepage article that the wheel narrows back down at the spoke bed, which I found quite interesting compared to everyone else going wide, wider, and blunt.

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I think I mentioned earlier that pretty much every legitimate aero bike that we tested fell within a narrow CdA band. Within that band, there were clusters of bikes that effectively tested the same (within 0.0005 - 0.001 m^2). Each one of those lines represents the fastest bike out of each major cluster, or if everything in the cluster was within error we chose a representative one to plot. In addition to the original Venge, those lines represent the S5, Propel, and Pinarello F8.

Again, that chart was meant to illustrate the band of performance that exists today.

And again, we know it's virtually impossible to please everyone with a single test / WT chart. That being said, we potentially have an open test block in the tunnel next week. If we can get everything together in time, what would the ST group like to see?

Chris

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Personally:

1. New Venge Vias vs the best setup of other aero bikes in stock form as folks(friends/team mates) I know buying high end aero bikes (S5, Propel, BMC TM, Pinarello, etc.) Don't change anything after buying those high-end bikes, they're all electronic too.
2. Data with bottles and a person on the bike.
3. If possible maybe have a 'win tunnel' video posted about it too.

That's it :)

Great feedback and input Chris. Thanks.