I'm usually pro-WTC but this is insane. the race doesn't even end in Downtown Manhattan it ends in a park, lame. I mean, park is fine for like IM Kansas 70.3, but if I'm going to new york I want to finish in Time square or something awesome like that.

for under $500 just get a Garmin 610, or 910XT GPS watch, probably such better quality. God if that Timex is not even GPS that is unbelievable.

please! I do not agree with the price increase, but give me a f'in break you did not make a deposit. Yea I volunteer at the hospital, that's like me saying I now want money for all the time I volunteered because it didn't help me get a job.

You should add a Premium Entry opportunity that includes beer.

Oh wait, you include the beer in the $135 base price.

That's awfully socialist of you......

You are a trip.

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Sorry, when I help at a race, or have spent my money, the last thing I do is say because of this I am going to spend more.

Man, I thought I was nuts spending $675 for IMLT. I wish it would have been $1200 since I could have said you guys have to be nuts and I would not of signed up. (I think)

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We differ. I volunteered for 12 hours yesterday in the medical tent. It is my way of giving back to the sport. I do not have any desire to do an IM. I am VERY appreciative of the volunteers at the races that I do. To me volunteering is something you do if you are a triathlete. It is a way to make sure this sport continues. There were 4100 volunteers for the NYC IM for 2500 racers.

And for my time volunteering? I am exhausted, did not sleep well when I got home at 1:30AM, skipping my long ride and hoping to find the energy to go for a swim. Oh and I lost my voice.

And of all the MDs, residents, medical students, nurses, EMTs, DPMs, lab techs, runners in the medical tent I only know ONE person planning to sign up today. All did it to help out. The majority are not triathletes either.

General reply to this thread. I am doing IM Mont Tremblant next weekend. It is a 1:40 drive from home. I was (and I guess I still am), thinking about doing IMNYC next year after watching the race unfold as I have family in Westchester County and a free place to stay, which makes this race much cheaper than doing IM Mont Tremblant. It is a slightly long drive for me (7.5 hours), but definitely a drive and no flight. So when I take out no flights, and driving to the race and a free place to stay, even at $1200 (GULP....), it is actually cheaper than doing either IMLP or IM Tremblant both of which are "realatively local" (one is 1:40, the other one 2:50 drive from home). Yes, we are spoiled in the North East.....way too many Mdot 140.6 and 70.3 events around here.

Having said, that, part of my wants to go back to IM France, but I guess I have to make my decision soon as "tickets" go on sale in 3 hours from now!

You can still sign up for IMLT for only a few more dollars. Clean water, clean air.

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You should look up "sunk-cost fallacy."

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True about Tahoe. Anyway, I should just wait until I get through IM Mont Tremblant and then decide what to do aftewards as there is a task at hand first. If IM NYC sells out, that is fine....there are plenty of events to pick from.

But I thought you said you would wait to see how you felt after you did IMMT, and if IMLT was still open, well, it is still open. Would love to have you race with all us West Coast folks.
If you needed a place to stay, I am 1:45 away. Still working on find a place to stay cheaply.

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Giddy up, there's no reason to look behind you, you're not heading that way.

I think that ought to motivate some people to do it because it's now a 'harder' IM with a 15.5 hr cut off

IM NY new Name "The bucket list Ironman ",

what do you mean it only works for locals.
NYC is much cheaper to fly into than a lot of other places.
No hotel minimums, so you might only get a hotel for 2-3 nights.
Good public transit, prolly don't need a car.
If you are coming from Europe this is probably cheaper than any other IM outside of Europe.

Bend over

Aren't you really just giving to WTC?
Medical staff is probably a requirement to get permits. They could either hire a medical staff (and make less profit) or use free labor. The genius of their business model is they get people to work for free and these people believe they are helping the athletes. The athletes payed for the service and without volunteers the service would have be to provided by payed labor.
Volunteering at a non-profit race and volunteering at a for profit race are two different things. At one you are helping a cause and at another your are helping a corporate bottom line.

Anyone can construct their own mental framework with who they are helping through their volunteer effort, but at the end of the day volunteering at a WTC Event is no different than working at Walmart or McDonald's for free.

I have gladly volunteered at many events, I would not work for the WTC without being payed.

I have volunteered at non WTC races as well but yes large races do depend on those of us willing to help out. When I lived in Boston I volunteered at the Boston Marathon finish tent and will be at the NY Marathon as well. Price would be MUCH higher if all the medical staff were paid. MUCH.

The money paid now goes to make sure we have adequate supplies and meds, NYFD is on hand to coordinate hospital transports....I am sure the medical director is paid (he also does the NY marathon). When I have helped at smaller races we did NOT have what we needed on hand - including lack of blankets on a race day that got cold quickly. If your entry fee truly paid for the medical tent you would be adding several hundred (at least) to the entry fee.

Coke and chicken broth are game changers in any conditions.

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I was leaving the IM store with my finisher swag, and walked by the volunteer table today as the changes were being explained to an excited prospect/volunteer in doing his first Ironman in NY.

He looked with a confused face to the volunteer gal explaining the changes.

By chance the RD, not John Korff, Victoria Brumfeld attempted to explain the price increase for the ferries required to do the event. I don't know if that requires an increase of $300 over the previous price, considering there were about 2700 people who did the event.

Could be that NY Waterway, decided to increase their fees another $810,000. Or it could be something else quite so obvious.

Not to be a WTC apologist, but 3,000 athletes at 1,200 dollars each, is 3.6 million in entry fees, right?

I wonder he cost of policing, (which is non negotiable, they are required to have that, and all on overtime), the barges, the ferries, hiring the piers, closing the Palisades, the list goes on and on, actually adds up to.

Yes, they probably make a profit, but I doubt it is as much as you might imagine.

But don't let that stop the bitching, it wouldn't be ST without.

yes and for this race it was in NJ and NY - there were separate medical folks on the NJ side (separate licenses). Police, EMTs, FD for both NY and NJ. bridge permits, roadway permits, - and Riverside park permits (which I think is a state park not a city park IIRC).

We were doing stat electrolytes in the tent to distinguish hyper/hyponatremia (symptoms can be very similar), IV supplies, ICE!!!, blankets (needed at night), we went through lots of odansetron (anti nausea) and had many other meds on hand to handle what hydration could not. Defibrillator, ekg, bandages of various sorts, IVF fluids - so if you then paid for RNs, phlebotomists, EMTs, MDs, lab techs as I said previously it would be significantly higher.