I think and I'm stabbing in the dark since I hardly remember anything from that convo, yet I do remember asking some follow up questions regarding that statement. My thought is if they had to design a rim brake P5x to do the P5x things it does it would be even faster than it is.

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Brian Stover USAT LII
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Yeah, I am aware of that option. Just never understood why they didn't do that themselves. I also don't really love the look of the p series. I have a trek speed concept gen 2 and really dig the way it looks. I am thinking about upgrading as I mentally am still trying to get myself comfortable on it again since I crashed last summer. I have no idea what happened, but my current SC needs to have a rear brake adjustment. When I got it (ebay) built up, the rear brake seems to be weaker than my previous bike and definitely weaker than current front brake.

Hopefully something comes out soon-I really don't want to try and start a frame build for a current SC...5k is a lot. Then I need to start looking at the bars and seatpost etc.

Just keep in mind that peak aero means we can't get much faster. But we can get much slower. For example the Ventum in the last aero shootout.

Too often we see posts assuming all new bikes are roughly equal due to peak aero, when I reality many of the current bikes could be slower than we think since there is such little data comparing them these days.

There are bikes coming that are doing well relative to the P5D in developmental testing.
We might see a return to skinny being fast for the P5DII (I have no knowledge of what Cervelo are doing)

https://escapecollective.com/...p5-at-volta-algarve/

Based on pics this post seems to have nailed it.

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