Just my PSA. While his advice to consult a Dr. is solid, I wouldn't trust much else that windshatten writes. He's posted some flat-out misinformation about vaccines in the Lavender Room.

Just replying to the thread in general.

There seems to be a sentiment by some in this thread that anyone who passes on the vaccine is an anti-vaxxer fool.

I've been in the ER twice in the past five years with breathing difficulty after an allergic reaction. I carry an Epi pen everywhere. I even sew a little pocket in the thigh of all my suits to carry the pen during LC tris. Late last week, I became aware of an opportunity to get the Moderna shot due to my work. I put my name on the sign-up sheet and left a message for my allergy doc, who is the leading allergy specialist in my area.

The shot was scheduled for Tuesday morning of this week. With Christmas in the mix, I didn't get a call back from the allergy doc until Monday afternoon. The first question I was asked was whether the vaccine was being administered at a pharmacy or hospital. He was concerned about the lack of immediate medical care available if I had a reaction at a pharmacy. My shot was scheduled at a hospital, so that lessoned the risk.

Next, we talked about the fact that I had already had Covid (with hardly any significant symptoms) and have tested positive for antibodies. Given that info and my personal allergy history, I was advised against getting the vaccine at this time. Apparently, not all of the ingredients are known, and there is a chance something in there could be harmful to me. The risk of me having a significant allergic reaction was greater than the risk of getting COVID again. He did say we would re-evaluate the situation in the future when more info about how people with severe allergies might react.

I feel as though my decision to pass on the opportunity to get the vaccine at the current time was based in sound logic.

For what it's worth...28 of my 60 coworkers got the first Moderna shot on that Tuesday morning. The rest chose to pass. I don't talk to all of them everyday, but those I did talk to complained about a sore arm...nothing serious. Five of the 28 who got the shot didn't show up for work on Tuesday night or Wednesday morning due to feeling sick. All five were back to work for their next shift.

Forgot to mention, you are observed for 15 minutes after vaccination to watch for adverse effects eg shortness of breath, etc.

The point of this is not to say you can't get an adverse reaction, it's just that it is a very small chance which is the point of vaccinations. it benefits the greatest good within acceptable risks. There are serious adverse effects with most medicines that people take but no one gives a 2nd thought about that.

Lastly we don't know what side effects will happen after two months but by the time most of you get the shot we will have about 3-6 months of data. If people were to give in to the fear developing a serious adverse effect in the future, I'd say that fear is misplaced and should be more of a fear of the modeling data which shows that there will be much more deaths if we don't get enough people vaccinated.

Hi Trial,

I normally don't respond to trolls and doxers like you, but you strike me as that kind of individual that thinks they have the knowledge to label experts in any field (such as scientists like Dr. Fauci, etc.) that present arguments against re-gurgitated popular knowledge, as misinformed and liars.
Can't let that slide.

I suggest you just keep your expert comments to what you do for a living (maybe something in that vast area of 'electrical engineering'?), show some compassion and dignity, listen and learn, and stop badmouthing those with expertise/experiences way beyond your horizon.

Happy trials!

Cute... two non-healthcare worker/providers arguing about things outside their areas of expertise.

What have my comments about my personal experiences (and lessons learned) from vaccination of risk group members (aka my mother) to do with my 'area of expertise'?
Or is it just that my experiences don't fit the preferred narrative (that there is no risk for risk group members)?

And finally at loss about the distress of my mother being 'cute' to a healthcare worker.

Wow! But also fits some of my experiences.
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With respect you seem to want to express yourself in a way that makes a vaccination sound risky.

I asked you directly about a statement you made in a previous post and you ignored it.

It is only 'worth' describing how a vaccine works if you are going to try and work out your own risk from your own model of biology and medicine. The vast majority of us do not have the skills to do that, we should accept that and put our faith in the qualified experts. Actually the pfizer/biontech vaccine does not work the way you describe. The 2 vaccines we are currently offered in the UK/US work in entirely different ways but people describing 'it' don't seem to make any distinction.

Anyone advising people to try and make important health decisions on hearsay, personal experience and/or general principals is playing fast and loose.