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Re: Rip My Swim Apart Please [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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klehner wrote:
T.Skelton3 wrote:
For sure. Appreciate the feedback.

I think I definitely need a higher % of my swims spent on hard 25-50s. Too many long sets even on quality swims. Lots of tempo and likely not enough short stuff pushing maximum speed.

Big set of 25s today as 25 ez, 25 max. I can tell some of the limiting speed is likely neuromuscular from not having the faster speed from doing lots of aerobic / threshold work.

I swam with a ~10 member masters team for four years; each year we went to the YMCA Masters Nationals. The second year, we switched a lot of our sets from 100s/150s/200s to 50s/75s/100s. To a man, our times at Nats got worse. We switched back the next year, and our times all improved from then on.

This despite the fact that I was the only one who swam 200 or 500 (other than one other guy who did 200IM). I think my progression in the 200scy free year-over-year was 2:02 (prior to joining the team), 1:57, 1:58, 1:54, 1:53 the last year.

YMMV.

to a large extent, it really doesn't matter that much what the repeat distance is, but more about HOW it's done. I'm fairly sure Josh Davis was swimming nothing but 25's and 50's when he set the USMS records for the 50, 100, 200 and 500 for the 40-44 AG back in '14 and 15. Of course he's got a massive background and is an Olympian, but 20.67, 45.15, 1:38.23 and 4:33.36 at 40 years old on limited volume still require that you do a lot of things right.

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Re: Rip My Swim Apart Please [T.Skelton3] [ In reply to ]
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I looked at it again, and I still think you are pulling way too wide. Look at the screenshot below. Try doing some drills where your thumb grazes your hip every stroke to exaggerate this. You want your hand to be in line with your shoulder more or less and finish all the way through to the hip.

I think that should help a little bit, but really the crux of the problem is really focusing on accelerating through the back half of the stroke and recovering without a pause. You can have that slight pause during the catch phase, but there shouldn't be any other pause in your stroke. You should then focus on accelerating your arm through the back half with the big bucket of water you grabbed at the top of your stroke. This will probably be very hard at first but consistency will pay off






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Re: Rip My Swim Apart Please [T.Skelton3] [ In reply to ]
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T.Skelton3 wrote:
Typically 29-30 min 70.3 swim wetsuit and 30-33 ish non wetsuit conditions dependent.

10 x 100 short course best effort on 10s rest is averaging right around 1:21/1:22 per 100 (so leave on 1:31/1:32)

I've been at this for 10 years now and really have been stuck for a good bit on my swim. I finally got some descent video to take a look at some things and have a few thoughts. I'll reserve those so as not to lead anybody.

Please rip me to shreds. I'm not scared of work.

Also, don't hate on the speedo.

and NO, the beard doesn't impact my swim times. I swear.

Thanks in advance!

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you're pretty damn fast, if I had your times, i'd be ecstatic. I took a quick look and I don't see much i'd improve on. think its worth noting that you do a great job following all the way through with your stroke and you keep good rotation throughout. as was mentioned with gliding.... we're looking at a small subset on what you'd be doing in a 70.3, you have to feel comfortable with a pace the whole way; can you? if not, then maybe adjust your training to add in more hard sets of 300-500m/y depending on your pool. this will help your body remember the pace you're keeping.

is there anything else that you could consider? do you swim straight in open water? sight well? deal well in crowds?

i'll also ask, how much are you looking to gain here? is it more worth it to you to maybe invest more time in cycling? running? or even transitions?

if you're going to be at IMaine703. or IMNC70.3 this summer, I may have to draft off you
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Re: Rip My Swim Apart Please [T.Skelton3] [ In reply to ]
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1) I think the underwater/backend of your stroke looks good. Don't change that.
2) You tend to glide too much so just focus on a shorter, punchy stroke. Try entering your hands wider to shorten length and prevent you from gliding. It will also help in choppy conditions / current. Most Tri swims are not calm at all, so take more strokes.
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Re: Rip My Swim Apart Please [sch340] [ In reply to ]
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I agree about it being wide.

My focus right now in order is
1) less extension (I feel like this lets me engage my lats and grab more water).
2) faster turnover / quicker into the catch
3) hands less wide and more underneath shoulder
4) adding more drive to propulsive phase

I’ll take this back for a while and work on it and see what happens!
Thanks for all the thoughts!

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Re: Rip My Swim Apart Please [T.Skelton3] [ In reply to ]
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You're really wide on the pull phase. Take a loot at this "power diamond" start around 5:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQTMAXadpEw
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Re: Rip My Swim Apart Please [Shambolic] [ In reply to ]
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Shambolic wrote:
I'm certainly not a swimming expert so I will put it out for others to comment but the slap when your hand hits the water is pretty loud and you can hear it from a mile away coming down the pool compared to any of the other swimmers. Without above water shot it is hard to tell but is you hand entry too far outreached of your head. Compare the volume to everyone else hand entry swimming down the pool but it shouldn't be that loud IMO and something there requires work.

The fastest local swimmer I know is a dentist who was a collegiate SEC swimmer. It sounds like a sonic boom when he hits the water. I don’t know that a loud entry is necessarily an indicator of something wrong.

Tommy 3-sticks, the only thing that stuck out to me was it looks like your right hand is turned out a bit at entry through extension, but can’t tell if that’s just the camera angle.

Honestly, I’m having a hard time focusing on anything other than those speedos.
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