here is teh problem.

Names like Team Sky, US Postal, New York Yankees, Iten Kenya training group, Team La Vie Claire, Hicham El Geurrouj's training group, Italian 1990's XC ski team (the one that beat Norway at Lillehammar in the 4x10km), Charlie Francis' track group , Norwegian XC ski team, Chinese women runners, East German swim team, Salazar Oregon project and everyone of their peers are basically interchangeable in this discussion.

Anyone thinking that any of these organizations/groups are choir boys and is sitting around to playing nice to give the other group in their sport a leg up not doing everythng in the grey zone and red zone is in disneyland. This is like saying that the pros next weekend in Kona will not sit at the edge of the draft zone (of course they are). They will do everything they can possibly get away with before they get slapped, recoil, re plan, and go at it again. Vino winning the London Olympic gold medal after being slapped and told to sit out is the ultimate example, although Contador ranks highly for not repenting. But both are revered in their homelands (I really did enjoy Contador in his closing Vuelta taking 4th and winning on Angliru in an epic day).

Is Sir Mo playing hanky panky? Well I don't think any more than Bekele and Kipchoge. If we think they are all choir boys, then there is nothing more to discuss.

That’s exactly why it’s actually now on the ethics of the athletes w/ Salazar case.

He’s only going to secretly coach if the athletes want him to and actually don’t think anything was done wrong....

If he’s kicked to the curb quickly then you realize they stand for fair play. But if it becomes known that he’s “secretly” coaching it then becomes a tell on the athletes imo.

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I wish Dennis Mitchell got called to testify to Congress so he could give that excuse for his positive test live on C-Span. That would be amazing.

This is where I'm at tbh. If its not illegal,then its legal. The rules are written, and then teams of lawyers see what ISN'T written. Its the nature of the sport at Pro Level. I'm not surprised Salazar was testing to see where the line is. Difference is that he clearly went over it in several areas that put him in violation of the rules.



Mentioning Sutton imo, is incorrect. His ban is not related to doping. IIRC His ban is related to training under 18s. I suspect that this background automatically precludes him from many federations. If not legally, but more for the PR side. Switzerland of course being famously neutral...

FYI Goucher's response:

https://www.bbc.com/...t/athletics/49951671

I was watching the 5000m yesterday iaaf championship. Klosterholfen not at a health weight at all. Look it up and who is involved Salazaar. Galen Rupp looks like he would get tired stirring spagetti sauce.

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That's not correct. None of his criminal bans or ITU sanctions was related to minors according to any source material I can find. (Source1, Source2). Where they applied, they applied to all coaching, irrespective of age.

No one is saying that because we we may want to take a closer look at Mo that it means that everyone else is clean. Present or past. Investigations into doping don't have to be "fair."

Continuously in this thread you seem to be posting as if you think we're all naive and had no idea what was and is going on, and you're doing us some kind of favor by informing us about reality. And using this as some sort of odd logic to suggest that we're over-excited about Salazar.

I don't think most in this thread are naive. Nor do I think the blase attitude that "everyone dopes, so why should we bother about Salazar's gray areas" is the general approach we should have to doping in sport. Yeah, all the sprinters in '88 were doping. So what? Does that mean we can no longer enforce doping in 2019?

From the article:
Nike has also said they will support Salazar's appeal and are paying Salazar and Dr Brown's legal bills.

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agreed and hassan's 3.51 1500 is a bit suspicious from 10k training (she is up against world class ladies who just specialise in the middle distances). I doubt she could do that before going to Salazar. I hate to say it but reminds me of Mo's 10k and ridiculous 1500m time. Is there something that special going on in Salazar's group that cant be done anywhere else?

I still can't find the explanation on why it was (according to the ruling) the Gouchers themselves who introduced Dr Brown to Salazar/NOP in the first place. Have they explained/been asked the background on this?

Couple things, the womens mile record is soft, should be around 4:08, so it's more like closing in 3:53 for the men. Secondly, Siffan runs a 65 half, which is pretty much dead on HM-pace for her, followed by a fast mile. The men finished with a 4:04 in a fast race.
There are some suspicious things about Siffan, but her 10k is not one of them.

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Some UK news of Salazar and Mo Farah ...

https://www.bbc.com/...t/athletics/51591701

Edit :

This one is interesting also (appear as a link in the first article) :

https://www.bbc.com/...t/athletics/51599747

LetsRun seems to believe that a major ban/bust is going to be revealed in the near future, wonder if it'll be Mo.

There is a reason why no real money making professional sport league would use the USADA. During the Lance (regardless what you think of lance) case the USADA worked with the feds to make the case for them. No league will risk that.

Yeah a lot of talk regarding Farah. If Mo is busted maybe Galen will get that London gold medal for 10k!?

If that happens it will go to third place

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I’m think Galen is home free but Mo seems to have his history of lies catching up to him regarding L- Carnitine dosages and also, and more importantly, his links to Jama Aden which he also lied about.

Capitalism doesn't care about right and wrong. Whether directly or indirectly, these guys bring in a lot of money for Nike, so they will protect their investment until it no longer makes financial sense to do so.