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Re: Tubular vs. Clincher - Can't Even Give Away Tubular Disc Wheel? [IMF] [ In reply to ]
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IMF wrote:
Do any of you use tape to mount the tubs and if so how do you prep the spare?

I used to use tape until I read an Effeto Mariposa employee honestly state the rolling resistance losses of their tape, which were very significant.

I didn't use spares (I do pure track/TT), but I wouldn't recommend tape for those who might attempt swapping on a new tire. I don't see how it could be effectively done without either adding a bunch of extra bulk and time to the change, or having a really dodgy bond while attempting to re-use tape already on the wheel.
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Re: Tubular vs. Clincher - Can't Even Give Away Tubular Disc Wheel? [IMF] [ In reply to ]
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IMF wrote:
Do any of you use tape to mount the tubs and if so how do you prep the spare?


Glue tape causes higher rolling resistance.

Spare tires don't need anything on them.
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Re: Tubular vs. Clincher - Can't Even Give Away Tubular Disc Wheel? [jimatbeyond] [ In reply to ]
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Ok, I will admit it..... I know I will get roasted, but oh well.... I use Tufo Jet Elite 160gr tubs, and I COULD NOT BE HAPPIER!!!!! Yes, the tires are damn light and fast, and I get to pump them up (I know, the entire RR debate, okay...maybe later). Bottom line is, I use tubs for racing, and I would NOT change that at all. Have had 3 flats over the years of racing since 2005. Rode them out until it was safe to pull over. CHANGED them out in under a minute (yes, 1 MINUTE). YES, a pre-glued tub is WAY faster than fiddle-farting with a clincher tire/tube. Oh, and by the way, my Tufo Jet Elite weighs in at 160 grams. Beat that weight with a clincher. PLUS, I can roll up a tubular spare into the same size as a single tube (see another thread where i show a picture of my rolled up tub).
Gluing tubs is a chore, but once you learn how, it is very easy. NO, I do NOT do the ridiculous 3 layers of glue and 24 hours of wait..... I glue very strategically, meaning only in a certain pattern in certain places, and only 1 layer. Remember, you have to be able to peel the tub off with just your thumbs when in a race situation. Don't be like Stadler in 2006 at Kona...."damn man, how much glue did you use???"

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Re: Tubular vs. Clincher - Can't Even Give Away Tubular Disc Wheel? [Taugen] [ In reply to ]
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Tufo tires have very high rolling resistance.

The tire needs to be glued to the entire rim in order to keep rolling resistance to a minimum. You need a few coats of glue to do it properly.

You do not need to be able to peel a flat tire off with your thumbs. Carry a razor blade and cut across the tire all the way through to the rim. Stick your fingers inside the tire and peel it off like a snake.
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Re: Tubular vs. Clincher - Can't Even Give Away Tubular Disc Wheel? [Taugen] [ In reply to ]
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I rode out a flat on a tubular once and ruined the rim. Oh what an advantage. Have fun with your lightweight tires. I'll take better rolling resistance and aerodynamics every time
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Re: Tubular vs. Clincher - Can't Even Give Away Tubular Disc Wheel? [CeeGee90] [ In reply to ]
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maybe this is off topic, but i've been searching for good deals on alloy tubular disc wheels all week for cyclocross. i'm finally giving up on rim brakes cause no one makes bikes any more, but i don't want to give up on tubulars. not sure if im in a minority there.
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Re: Tubular vs. Clincher - Can't Even Give Away Tubular Disc Wheel? [Taugen] [ In reply to ]
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Taugen wrote:
Ok, I will admit it..... I know I will get roasted, but oh well.... I use Tufo Jet Elite 160gr tubs, and I COULD NOT BE HAPPIER!!!!! Yes, the tires are damn light and fast

Tufo tires are anything but fast.

And like Jim mentioned above, the less glue you use, the higher the rolling resistance.

get comfortable being uncomfortable
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Re: Tubular vs. Clincher - Can't Even Give Away Tubular Disc Wheel? [CeeGee90] [ In reply to ]
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The only reason I would take a set of tubular wheels for FREE would be to re-sell it to some dummy.

I wouldn't use tubular wheels if they paid me to use them. YMMV, but the effort involved with their use is absurd to me. The "tubulars are better" ship sailed many years ago. I really can't believe any wheel company still makes them. Who are they selling deep dish tubular wheels to? Triathletes and TT'ers are basically the only people that buy really deep wheels. I sort of get TT'ers maybe preferring tubulars for some reason but not so for triathletes.

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Re: Tubular vs. Clincher - Can't Even Give Away Tubular Disc Wheel? [7401southwick] [ In reply to ]
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I happen to have just posted a rear Corima 4-sp tubular in the classifieds with a Vittoria Corsa CX (only ridden a few times on the tire--like new), with a skewer & cogset--race ready. It's glued on already. IF you wanted to take advantage of the "decline" you say, in tubular prices or popularity. Wheel is in really good condition, I only raced on it. 700cc. Shimano style hub.
Last edited by: Rocky M: Feb 19, 19 14:45
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Re: Tubular vs. Clincher - Can't Even Give Away Tubular Disc Wheel? [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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Ok, yes I admit that my limited gluing may have a draw back to RR. BUT, if/when you have a flat in a race, tell me about how that 3x layers of glue really works.....when you are trying like hell to get that flatted tub off. And yes, I do carry a razor blade, so I can in theory cut the tire and the peel it off like a snake skin. Yes, this idea does work, but it does take longer to work. I'd rather just limited glue my tub and then be able to snap the flat off with 2 thumbs and rip the tire off in just a few seconds.
Yes, in a perfect world, gluing tubs with 3x layers of glue is ideal. But, given the chance that a flat can happen over 112 miles, I would rather be able to spend 30 seconds to change it out, than save 1 minute in RR. Okay, so maybe you save 1 minute in time via RR, but if you flat you now have to spend 3-4 minutes to slice the tire, finger it, peel it, ect..... Yes, everyone says, oh just bring a razor blade and slice it, an put your finger inside and rip off the tire.... Ok, try that..... Yes, try that with 3x layers of glue. It's not easy or fast with that much glue. I've actually had to pull a tub off a rim that had so much glue on it, that it pulled up a layer of carbon from the bed (was a wheel I bought from a sponsored Rolf cyclist, who had put so much glue on it, that it peeled up a layer of carbon and I sent the wheel back to Rolf. So, tell me how is that better than just lightly gluing a tub on. Again, tri racing is a lot different from crit racing.

Everyone wants to think of the perfect situation, and that a tub can be cut off in 10 seconds, even with 3x layers of glue. That is not reality. The more glue use, the harder it is to get a tub off, pure a simple theory. So, do you use more glue to save on RR, or do you use less glue to save on chaining a flat. For me, I would rather use less glue on my tubs, and that if I flat I can change it in under a minute, thus saving more time than what may have been gained if I had used 3x layers of glue.

Everyone has a thought, and to each, his own......

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Last edited by: Taugen: Feb 19, 19 17:14
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Re: Tubular vs. Clincher - Can't Even Give Away Tubular Disc Wheel? [Taugen] [ In reply to ]
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Taugen wrote:
Ok, yes I admit that my limited gluing may have a draw back to RR. BUT, if/when you have a flat in a race, tell me about how that 3x layers of glue really works.....when you are trying like hell to get that flatted tub off. And yes, I do carry a razor blade, so I can in theory cut the tire and the peel it off like a snake skin. Yes, this idea does work, but it does take longer to work. I'd rather just limited glue my tub and then be able to snap the flat off with 2 thumbs and rip the tire off in just a few seconds.
Yes, in a perfect world, gluing tubs with 3x layers of glue is ideal. But, given the chance that a flat can happen over 112 miles, I would rather be able to spend 30 seconds to change it out, than save 1 minute in RR. Okay, so maybe you save 1 minute in time via RR, but if you flat you now have to spend 3-4 minutes to slice the tire, finger it, peel it, ect..... Yes, everyone says, oh just bring a razor blade and slice it, an put your finger inside and rip off the tire.... Ok, try that..... Yes, try that with 3x layers of glue. It's not easy or fast with that much glue. I've actually had to pull a tub off a rim that had so much glue on it, that it pulled up a layer of carbon from the bed (was a wheel I bought from a sponsored Rolf cyclist, who had put so much glue on it, that it peeled up a layer of carbon and I sent the wheel back to Rolf. So, tell me how is that better than just lightly gluing a tub on. Again, tri racing is a lot different from crit racing.

Everyone wants to think of the perfect situation, and that a tub can be cut off in 10 seconds, even with 3x layers of glue. That is not reality. The more glue use, the harder it is to get a tub off, pure a simple theory. So, do you use more glue to save on RR, or do you use less glue to save on chaining a flat. For me, I would rather use less glue on my tubs, and that if I flat I can change it in under a minute, thus saving more time than what may have been gained if I had used 3x layers of glue.

Everyone has a thought, and to each, his own......

And this is one of the reasons people just run clinchers. Way easier to deal with.

get comfortable being uncomfortable
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Re: Tubular vs. Clincher - Can't Even Give Away Tubular Disc Wheel? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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The GMAN wrote:
Triathletes and TT'ers are basically the only people that buy really deep wheels.

And trackies. Only type of tire you can pump to like 220PSI (which makes sense on a super smooth indoor track), and have a chance of riding out if you flat like 2 stories high up on the bank.

Pretty small market, but still a market that's unlikely to go away anytime soon.
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