Thank you everyone. I guess the dream is over.
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Re: KQ v BMI [triordie1994]
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Re: KQ v BMI [triordie1994]
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triordie1994 wrote:
Thank you everyone. I guess the dream is over.Keep plugging at it. You never know what could transpire.
I think we just wanted to drop some reality on you that you're not really on the bubble and getting to 10:00 is also not on the bubble in M40-44 at the races you cited.
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Re: KQ v BMI [triordie1994]
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triordie1994 wrote:
Thank you everyone. I guess the dream is over.To keep it in perspective, you came within 18 minutes of KQ at IM Wisconsin this year since your AG ended up with 4 slots and it rolled to 5th place in your AG. Folks can tell you that there's no chance, but there are a lot of variables at play. Depending on how that race went for you there seems to be a lot of time to be taken out of your IM marathon.
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Re: KQ v BMI [SummitAK]
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As previously mentioned, luck plays a factor. I know a guy lucky enough to KQ. His KQ time would have put him in 19th place the previous year. The hope remains;)
Re: KQ v BMI [rossi46]
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robgray wrote:
Jesse K (QT2 systems) has a good rule of thumb for elite triathletes which is around a BMI of 21.Is there consensus around that 21 number?
If so, I'd feel a lot better! I've kicked up my training to 2-a-days recently, and when I weighed myself for the first time in a while, I was shocked to see 155 lbs (70kg). My BF% has for sure gone down, and I think I've built muscle (I drink protein shakes daily and generally have a high protein diet), but I normally am around 165 lbs.
At 6' (183cm) that would put my BMI right at 21. So, if that number is considered a good reference, then I can put my mind at ease :)
Yes I think you are in the ideal zone! Jesse Kropelnicki based that on analysis of a reasonable sample size of professional athletes. I think if you can stay there naturally without starving yourself then you're in a good place.
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Re: KQ v BMI [robgray]
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Rob - would a better measure be what %body FAT you are at BMI? For example I know I am fastest at IM distance per my scale at 17-18% body fat and 21BMI...
Isn't possible to have a BMI with too low of body fat? Sure it depends on the individual .... I have big bones..... 5-9 165lbs.... best Kona races are at about 162lbs
Isn't possible to have a BMI with too low of body fat? Sure it depends on the individual .... I have big bones..... 5-9 165lbs.... best Kona races are at about 162lbs
Re: KQ v BMI [scca_ita]
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Rob - would a better measure be what %body FAT you are at BMI? For example I know I am fastest at IM distance per my scale at 17-18% body fat and 21BMI... Isn't possible to have a BMI with too low of body fat? Sure it depends on the individual .... I have big bones..... 5-9 165lbs.... best Kona races are at about 162lbs
Yes I think both BMI and BF in combination is a good measure. I'd probably get an accurate measurement using something like a DXA scan to see what the actual BF% is, and then just use your scale to track changes. If you're still 17% on DXA and 21 BMI I think your performance would probably increase with some gain of lean muscle mass.
My non-scientific measure of race weight fat% is when I can barely make it through a 4k swim set without getting really cold. At that point my DXA scan is around 11%.
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Good point. Thanks.
I would say yes I agree for most walks of life. But in triathlon I feel it's a useful metric to use, in conjunction with an accurate body fat measurement. The reason is that extra muscle can be detrimental to performance. So for example if I'm 10% bodyfat but my BMI is 23, I might need to lose some muscle too if I want to perform at my best. Jesse K (QT2 systems) has a good rule of thumb for elite triathletes which is around a BMI of 21. Using it in conjunction with a bodyfat measure helps to formulate a strategy of a) lose fat b) lose fat and muscle or c) gain muscle
A real life example would be an elite bodybuilder wanting to do tri. He would probably need to lose muscle even though his bodyfat is at an elite level.
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wacomme wrote:
BMI is a terrible metric. How much body fat do you have? Under 15%? Under 10%?I would say yes I agree for most walks of life. But in triathlon I feel it's a useful metric to use, in conjunction with an accurate body fat measurement. The reason is that extra muscle can be detrimental to performance. So for example if I'm 10% bodyfat but my BMI is 23, I might need to lose some muscle too if I want to perform at my best. Jesse K (QT2 systems) has a good rule of thumb for elite triathletes which is around a BMI of 21. Using it in conjunction with a bodyfat measure helps to formulate a strategy of a) lose fat b) lose fat and muscle or c) gain muscle
A real life example would be an elite bodybuilder wanting to do tri. He would probably need to lose muscle even though his bodyfat is at an elite level.