Our signatures are on our driver's licenses, yes. What in the name of string cheese does that have to do with anything?

A certain theory of contract is that there are no ethics involved in contracts - there is just allocation of resources.

So in this case, I agree not to transfer the bib. Then I decide if I want to live under that stipulation or whether I want to breach my agreement and suffer the damages (whatever they may be). On this sort of economic analysis, ethics don’t come into play - I just determine if it is worth more to me to breach or not breach. If the RD has “lost” something by my breach, he or she can sue me to recover it.

In the end we are each “whole” and life goes on.

Contract law is not necessarily morality, not is it criminal law, the Ten Commandments, etc. It is a business transaction designed to give some certainty to transfer or goods or services for some consideration.

Consider intentionally fouling a player in basketball - is that unethical? Very similar to intentional breach of contract.

Leave me out of this....

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I had just been in our refrigerator.

The person participating in the event isn't a party to the contract, the original runner is. In this case, there very well may be event's insurance coverage. Who knows, maybe they submit the names, versus a total number of people for coverage.

When you utilize your USAC license for coverage at events, you have to show ID. That's where that assumption came from.

So, you might not be at issue with goods/services with the RD or the event, but the insurance for the event.

I'm guessing the reason they don't do transfers after a certain date is that they batch up the participant ID tags/numbers/database all at once. Imagine having to go edit a database 100 different times leading up to the race as each person's mind changes. You can't do it the day before the race, it has to be ahead of time and all at once.

Your signature is an agreement to abide by the laws of the road. I therefore assume you follow all driving laws to the T, correct? Complete stops, adequate trailing distances, signaling, following speed limits, etc., etc. The consumate driving perfectionist, you must be.

Answers to your hypotheticals below. How about we lay down arms, take a deep breath, and maybe go out for some training now, huh?


Yes. As stated above, the intent of ticket scalpers is to game the system and then pass mark ups onto consumers. Very different from our actual case.

Looks like the bib got sold and used, unless a) the friend who couldn't make it changed her plans and b) she's wicked fast and dropped the poster AND her own husband to finish nearly 40 minutes ahead of them both

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No harm, no foul, right?

Is it me, or did the entire thread on FB disappear? I can't see my comments on that thread. Hmm...

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The "ad" is there, but the comments are gone [at least in the tri club FB I found, was it posted someplace else?]

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I went to Athlinks to compare her result [like Derek would do]

"This athlete's profile is private"

I didn't know you could do that

Anyway, her Broad Street result is about 40 minutes slower than yesterday, and more on par with the other 2 folks

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It might be interesting when the photos become available...

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Your last sentence said "And this goes for everything in life...don't F'ing sign it if you don't want to obey it.

So not only are you completely duplicitous, but you have no idea what a strawman actually is.

Better luck next time.

"Congratulations Catherine on completing, with a finish time of: 1:20:34."



You wanna inform the RD, or want me to do it?

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Sweet mother of God...

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Looking at it again, she dumped the original altogether and replaced it with more marketable content - and bumped the price to $60



Guess it worked out for everyone

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
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Here's one from my end...

Background:

• I direct a race of 20,000 people
• We are a full-time staff of 3 people
• We have a defined transfer deadline one month before race day
• All registrants must check several mandatory boxes during reg that they agree: a. I agree there are no refunds or deferrals and b. The transfer deadline is xx August. No exceptions after that date.
• We do custom bibs with names on them, and print them about 10-20 days out from the race
• We do this because if we open the floodgates to 20K people, 3 people can't handle it
• for 2019 we have launched Ticket Guardian during reg. It's cheap, and it covers about 15 reasons to get their money back, including merch purchased, processing fees, etc.

Here's an email I got last week:

Good morning,

I had bought a bib off kijiji since the registration period had closed on the website. I was battling an injury and really wanted to run but wanted to wait until I was better to register. I picked up my bib and talked to Sports Stats and they told me that only the race directors would be able to do the name switch do to this races specific rule on name transfers. I had previously changed the name on a bib for the waterfront 10k race in Toronto and encountered no problem. Sport stats says that it's very easy to fix but that I need permission to do so.

I ran a PB at army. I want this race showing under my name. Currently when you look at sports stats my bib xxxxxx shows "No name". I feel like since sports stats said it's easily corrected it shouldn't be a big issue for you to allow it.

We don't allow name changes for unofficial transfers. It's the best way to discourage bandits etc, by hitting them at their ego. Because of that person's experience with us, I doubt they will do it again (and there's an admitted track record of doing so).

• The obvious safety reasons mentioned before with waiver, emergency contact, etc. We had a cardiac incident this year and I was able to reunite the person with family before being sent away because of accurate contact info.
• It's scalping, simply put. Much like any performer or sports team, we see nothing out of the secondary market. These things hurt businesses and events by shorting inventory and creating a falsely inflated market.

That was a previous attempt to sell the entry. She dropped the price in the later post to which I responded.

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