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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Slowman wrote:
i'm finishing up a front page piece on this and i want to make sure i list every company that makes these products.

I know I'm late for the party, sorry - but citec still makes and sells 26" wheels and wheelsets.
They used to make discs, too. Not sure if they still cater for the 26" market though.



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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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And then there's a whole slough of custom builders that'll do 650's as needed.

I've built roadies for shorter folks using 650's, and a few for myself (tri bike, climbing specific road bike) using the same.

And Panaracer makes the Pasela tire in a 650x25 (though I've only found it in wire bead).

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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Liv does that weird thing where the small tri bike has 650c in the front and 700 in the back.
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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Well, as best I can tell, it looks as though Continental has ceased production of the GP 2000 tire and the race lite butyl inner tube in 650, and that Vittoria is no longer producing the Open Corsa Cx in 650. I can't find either of these tires listed in 650 on their websites.

That's bad news for 650 users--those were both good tires.

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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [Tri3] [ In reply to ]
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That's awful news.

Are there any good tyres left in 650?

EDIT: For some reason I thought that you'd specified the 4000s2. Both Continental and Wiggle are showing the 650x23 as available and in stock. Might buy a few in case they discontinue them.

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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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My company makes bikes with 650 wheels.

In fact, I have a couple in stock.
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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [jimatbeyond] [ In reply to ]
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Can you link me to your bikes?

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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [jimatbeyond] [ In reply to ]
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what is you r company? any more info on 650 bikes?

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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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@slowman: Thanks for doing this research! I still have the QR SE you sold to me on one of the USTS road shows (back in your QRMAN days...) and I'm finding fewer 650 tires around. Where is the page you created with the info? I can't seem to find it..

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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [brider] [ In reply to ]
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brider wrote:
And Panaracer makes the Pasela tire in a 650x25 (though I've only found it in wire bead).

Angel Rodriguez sells a lot of 650c tires, apparently, and has them in even 650cx28.

https://www.rodbikes.com/...650c-tires-and-tubes

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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [brider] [ In reply to ]
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Most handcycles use 650c tires, and you can also find a large selection of 650c tires & tubes here: https://bike-on.com/...cles/handcycle-parts
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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Excuse the resurrection, but this is one of the most comprehensive recent threads on 650c.

Question of the day: Where have the 650c wheels gone? Even the people who were manufacturing them at the beginning of the year appear to have stopped.

HED: Ardennes, but no Jets (although you can still get them through other vendors such as MyBikeShop for now)
Enve: nothing on their website (you can get them built from other websites, but nothing direct from Enve)
PlanetX: nothing on their website

Are we expecting a rash of new 650c options in the new year (ha!), or is the final death knell that says we ride the stock wheels, Chinese non-brands, or Zipp 404's - and nothing else?

I did ping the nice folks at Flo to ask if they had any intention of ever turning out a 650c, and the answer was - unsurprisingly - no. If they'd make a 60/60 or a 60/90 combo, I'd buy them in a heartbeat. But I alone do not a market make.

I'm almost at the point where it makes more sense to upgrade my tri bike to something with 700c so that if I'm going to invest that kind of money I can at least buy a set of wheels I could use on either my tri or road bike, and that's a damn shame.
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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [UK2ME] [ In reply to ]
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I will be inspecting our new 650 wheels on my trip to Taiwan January 8th. We will start with a front 88 and 50 and a rear 88 with a disc mid spring 2018. Carbon Clinchers - rim brake.

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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [dkennison] [ In reply to ]
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Wow. Looking forward to that!
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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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I know that you are the "father" of 650 frames and would like for your article to educate today's triathlete of the history and advantages of 650 wheels regardless of height.

I have been riding 650 wheels since my first QR in 1989 and eventually used many other production and custom frames including: Zipp, Griffen, Kirk Precision, Land Shark and Titan Flex. Even though I'm 6 foot tall I stayed with 650 mostly due to toe overlap on the front wheel. With a very forward position and 175 cranks plus a size 13 shoe turning was always an issue. My cross and road bikes are 700 so I recently decided to change my Tri bike configuration and had Titan Flex do a 650 front with 700 rear in order to address the toe overlap and still be able to run standard gearing in the rear. I rode the first Vineman (1990) and my first Hawaii several months later with this set up and really like it. Finding wide racing and training tires can be a problem. The only real down fall that I see is carrying 2 tires for long distance races.

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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [dkennison] [ In reply to ]
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I'll be interested to hear about your trip, Dan. Do you have an idea on what you're expecting them to run pricewise yet?
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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Georgena Terry told me last week that Schwalbe only sold 500 tires in 650 worldwide in 2015. They and have one tire that is 571x23. At least Vittoria has a couple of 571x23 models.
So tire producers also limit what frame designers may wish for?

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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [UK2ME] [ In reply to ]
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I’m not sure what the wheel price will be as a stand alone item. Probably around $699 for the 88 mm’s and $450 for the 50 mm.

They will be standard equipment on the XS Tactical.

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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [dkennison] [ In reply to ]
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Any chance of an aluminium rimmed + carbon fairing 650c? Thanks ;-)
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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [trimon] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry no aluminum - not this round anyway.

I have been considering that for all our wheels but no decision has been made.

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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [dkennison] [ In reply to ]
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Just my $0.02 Dan: I'd vote for aluminum box rims with carbon fairings. Your product is a great value proposition. IMO, it would be a better value proposition if you used aluminum/carbon fairing hybrid wheels.

I've owned a lot of wheels... plenty of which were carbon clinchers... and my Hed Jet Blacks are my favorite. The breaking is soooo good. Designed properly there's no weight penalty to a CC either (light straight pull hubs, good bladed spokes, alloy nipples). Perhaps you could get creative with the rear wheels by using an offset rim as the base: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9UUkbsmo-4

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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Interesting video.

I like aluminum as well.

Our current wheels have angled brake tracks which help a lot with tire/wheel aero numbers. Our front system is a good airfoil with 23 mm tires at 95 psi measured average at 24.83 mm matched with our 25 mm rim.

To do those in aluminum brake tracks and maintain the numbers - just takes a little work. I've been tied up up on the XS frame. But all these wheels (both 650 and 700) are on my list.:-)

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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [dkennison] [ In reply to ]
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Another 650c fan in favor of aluminum rims. Just sayin....

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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [dkennison] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for taking the time to answer. At least it's not a straight no, but I fully appreciate that from a business point of view, it is probably hard to justify.
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Re: a little help? 650c tri bikes (and wheels, and tires): who's making them? [culpritbicycles] [ In reply to ]
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culpritbicycles wrote:
Dan it's not a tri bike but I make culprit Junior bikes 650c and our junior two can be custom painted. Aero alloy frame with carbon dual offset post.

Not sure if it fits your bill but it is an option.

https://culpritbicycles.com/...ucts/2016-junior-two


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BTW, thanks for posting and making a bike that fits me!

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