I won't defend it, only try to explain it based on my experiences as a Christian until about 12 years ago.

To true Christians (unlike MTG, Boebert, Trump) their faith truly is an important part of who they are as a person and as a politician. They believe that the USA is a Christian nation founded under the Christian god. Because of that, they believe that it is their responsibility to govern based on Christian values. I will cede that many of them are able to justify not doing that (or supporting someone who doesn't) when it suits them.

They believe that life starts at/soon after conception and that abortion is murder. I am not debating that issue, only telling you what they believe. And because of that belief, they think that they must do what they can to stop abortion as they believe that it is what their god wants.

Think of it this way. There are people here who believe that capital punishment is absolutely wrong and make their voices heard to stop it. If they were a legislator, they would probably try to pass legislation outlawing it. The people who believe that abortion is wrong are no different.

As a resident of Arizona, this utterly disgusts me. This is a direct result of low-information but highly loyal voters, choosing their party over the other without regard to understanding the people and policies that their party actually supports and enacts. While, as Rick points out, there are quite a few people that actually believe and support this delusional nonsense, it's the support of the moderate Republican voters that allows these people to get elected and maintain a majority.


Hopefully, yesterday's court decision on abortion will accelerate Arizona's transformation into a blue state, resulting in the defeat of Kari Lake (again) and Trump losing Arizona.

Lake will do or say whatever she can to win/survive. The MAGAts are seeing the writing on the wall, abortion is their political death sentence.

The bottom line: In a sign of the toxicity of the ruling, likely GOP Senate nominee Kari Lake disavowed it, despite previously supporting the law the ruling upheld.

• Lake today: "I oppose today's ruling, and I am calling on [Democratic Gov.] Katie Hobbs and the state Legislature to come up with an immediate commonsense solution that Arizonans can support."
• Lake in 2022: The near-total ban is a "great law" and sets an example for other states.

https://www.axios.com/...tion-kari-lake-trump

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We're doing everything we can to fight inflation by finding more election year giveaways

Biden Announces Plan for National 12-Week Paid Family Leave (msn.com)

https://www.nbcnews.com/...k-governor-rcna38985

I see Dark Brandon is still living rent-free in your head.

I am disappointed in the lack of snakes. Shouldn't there be snakes if you are speaking in tongues?

Poor Tyler didn't even read his link.



Only 12% of Americans are against paid family leave. Once again Tyler confirms he is on the fringe.

Americans Overwhelmingly Support Paid Family And Medical Leave | Navigator (navigatorresearch.org)

You seem to have a very specific idea of what it means to be a "true Christian." I don't think it's an accurate view.

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I started a thread on this subject at one point, and I still find it interesting that if I was to act like this, as a non-religious person, I would be thrown in the bin. But because they are religious, it's shrugged off.

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"I keep hoping for you to use your superior intellect to be less insufferable. Sadly, you continue to disappoint." - gofigure

Though Trump and Lake - being political status climbers rather than principled ideologues or religious - are backpedaling furiously.


Lake: “I oppose today’s ruling, and I am calling on [Gov.] Katie Hobbs and the state Legislature to come up with an immediate common sense solution that Arizonans can support."

They get it that the dog caught the car, and the solution to the dog catching the car isn't going after the tractor-trailer further up the road.

Many would support an 18yr paid leave so they can dump them at college before returning to work. People will want many things paid for by others. And the long Euro leaves can get replaced and are only guaranteed a new position similar to old position.

People could vote in 4hr work weeks but the companies would eventually fail and tax money from the company and employees would dry up and it would fail.

https://commission.europa.eu/...work-life-balance_en

Nutella's too busy lying about Bidenomics. And he knows that rising inflation in April of an election year is a death sentence. Which cuts into his 4 more years of trying to push the European socialism he supports on the US (which this leave his dear leader is pushing is right up his alley)

Yet another strawman filled post.

Every other developed country has paid family leave, why can’t America?

FIFY

It will always be interesting to me that the right wing will argue "we should do X,Y,Z because europe does it" for laws they want. Such as most of europe being to the right of the US before the repeal of roe v. wade.

But then on the other hand, when there is something that the right wing doesnt like - they argue "we cant do that because of socialism"

I would be fine with a paid maternity leave for 8-12 weeks for the first two kids.

National paid maternity leave is not something "European" or "socialist" countries have. It's something that basically every single country in the world has with the exception of the US, and a handful of small island nations (6 of them).

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yes the guy who is currently destroying this country is living rent free in my head. As opposed to the guy we voted out in favor of the guy who is destroying this country, who you post about because you are jealous about how rich he is while he lives rent free in your head.

AZ AG made a statement that she won’t even consider prosecuting a citizen or doctor based on the ruling.

And AZ will turn blue if this remains.

Matt and Tyler will argue against it just because Biden is for it.

The reality is the vast majority of Republicans support paid family leave. Trump ran on passing it in 2015 and as President signed the bill that gave it to all 2 million Federal employees…….but if Biden says he wants to pass it the MAGA crowd starts screeching “Socialism!!”

That's a fair criticism. Maybe I should have used "typical Christian" or "Christians that I was around". I used that term (true Christian) to distinguish what I think are actual Christians versus "the camera is on me I need to act pious so I don't lose any votes" as we see from MTG and Boebert, and trump to a lesser extent.

Nice! Good work fitting that in.
See Slowguy's post about the world wide prevalence of maternity leave.

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and yet amazingly we seem to need it in an inflationary environment at exactly the time that the guy who is losing all his parties important demo's wants to give away free stuff in order to buy votes.

Most other countries leaders ignore the rule of law and SC decisions and continue to forgive student loans in order to buy votes too. That doesn't make that right either. But a partisan hack like you who pretends not to be will carry water for both issues because youre phony as a $3 bill

As the country that gives more to other countries than anyone else, yes if we reduced that we would have much more to spend on whatever. Offering free healthcare to illegal immigrants is more popular so get your party to concess on that topic first.