Had you any particular "boilerplate training issues" in mind?
https://podcasts.apple.com/...3343?i=1000638197252

Any number of things that people struggle with in training. Volume, intensity, sleep, position, life balance. Nobody posts on Instagram about how their coach wanted their elbows narrower on the bike, and if they could've narrowed their elbows they would've come in 3rd not 4th. But every time they narrowed their elbows it caused back pain so the position was unsustainable although theoretically faster.

But what you’re ignoring here is that this is the coach saying “I know it’s causing you back pain and it’s unhealthy and you might end up injured or with worse performance outcomes as a result, but narrow those elbows anyway.”

There is a good reason why Sarah Crowley had to take out an AVO when leaving

This photo means a lot to me. Not because of the branding, not because of the crowd, but the one person that I care about in it. We had a few hurdles in the lead up to this race, but none more than this week when we were hassled by scumbags in the sport. I think winning a race for us means very different things. We love our life, we work hard for what we have and when Monday rolls around, we are still lovely people.
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Sarah fought her hardest to push away the negative shit that was coming at us all week resulting in a police station visit and visits from undercover cops to our hotel before the race to keep Sarah protected from outside threats, but her body could only take so much. We are driven by love and friendship and happiness for everyone, but when you’re driven by hate, spitefulness and anger towards other people, that will only last so long before you self destruct, and then you have nothing left.
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What may seem a victory for others, we see as weakness. Are they that weak they need to try these tactics? No one should ever feel unsafe at one of these races but unfortunately, our team did this week.
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This is just another race, and we move on, but we move on with passion and integrity for the sport, we move on with happiness and celebrating our friends that are great people in the sport of triathlon. We are much more than Triathlon, and that is something that no one can take away from us but when triathlon is all you have, and you don’t win, what’s next?

Lighter is faster, until it isn't. More miles is faster, until it's not. More intensity is faster, Until it's not.

I would say it's more that it's an unregulated sport. We have top of the sport endurance coaches that have been banned by federations for legit safesport violations and can still work with athletes (and at high levels) because basically there's no real pathway to keeping them out of the sport. A "ban" is basically not real meaningful in endurance sports unlike other sports where to actively coach you have to be part of the sport (team sport where your coaching at a game, etc).

All I'll add to this is that Im glad he's being called out again. Unfortunately, besides damaging their "coaching brand" theres not too many consequences for poor behaviour. Ironman can't or wont intervene and the national federations don't tend to get involved. Safe Sport were also very poor to deal with. So then it becomes trial by social media (if you take this route) and that can go any which way.

We have a lot of great coaches in the sport. If we really want to deter the bad apples in the bunch then vote with your coaching fee's and support the good apples.

All I'll add to this is that Im glad he's being called out again. Unfortunately, besides damaging their "coaching brand" theres not too many consequences for poor behaviour. Ironman can't or wont intervene and the national federations don't tend to get involved. Safe Sport were also very poor to deal with. So then it becomes trial by social media (if you take this route) and that can go any which way.

We have a lot of great coaches in the sport. If we really want to deter the bad apples in the bunch then vote with your coaching fee's and support the good apples.

The only way to stop this is for the athlete who hires the coach and then any coaches who become associated with that coach to face some type of sanction. It's weird though, is anyone publicly working with Salazar? Why is working for or with Sutton publicly ok? Because Chrissie won some races? Everyone fawns over her, but she and many others have willfully chosen to associate themselves with him.

How do we treat coaches that work for him? Very strange place in triathlon.


Based on what she said about her coach in the post it would not really be in the realm of SafeSport. But I'm not sure if you're referring to Watt or how you just get rid of Sutton. That's a tough one, it requires every Federation to recognize bans, and he was coaching while banned. But we know to be a coach you really don't need to have a federation license, just a reputation.

Didn’t Lionel says in an interview that Frodeno got too lean one year to try and help his run and it backfired big time?

Maybe in his breakfast with Bob interview?

It's one thing to tell her story, and I'm glad she did. It's another to argue the guy should never coach and everyone associated with him sanctioned. I believe what Skye said, and I believe he caused real offense and contributed to emotional harm. But bad advice and causing offense are reasons to do exactly what is done -- publicly share your story. Not prevent the guy from ever working, etc. etc.

If this coach has an ounce of sense, he'll come out and announce he never intended to create or add to Skye's burdens and that he's really taking her clear emotional distress as a result of his bad advice to heart and is not taking on any new athletes until he can do some new training for himself, blah blah blah.

That's what should happen in the best case. The worst case, he just doesn't change, and people stay away as his flaws are publicly shared and he tries to defend them.

No need to make a federal case out of this.

It was Frodeno in his breakfast with Bob interview IIRC. He saw the rise of Lange and thought that he needed to be light to shave a few mins off his run. There was a hint that this cost him his big injury in 2018

I think people were talking about Sutton more than Watt here. Sutton is a convicted child sex offender. Definitely should be out of the sport forever. Watt is just a bad coach, different story there.

Talking about someone's weight, especially a professional endurance athlete, for five years and consistently being told that's not a primary focus point for you and it effects your mental health becomes offensive. It's one thing to talk about it for one or half a season of coaching. But a great coach would learn after a year with a good feedback loop that losing weight is not what will get their Athlete over the line. So I'm not saying what he did wasn't bad, I'm saying I'm unsure based on what was shared that would put it in the realm of misconduct. Just would make him a horrible coach.

Is a coach talking to an athlete who has chosen them about that athlete's weight a 'red flag' for the athlete? Obviously I exclude sports where there are weight boundaries delineating competitive classes/categories. Presumably all sports have now proscribed any use of scales by coaches and athletes together. And similarly 'banned' the recording of an athlete's weight by the coach or the training group admin. IDK.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C01y9nNJRP1/ - Moench's latest.
Why, as an educated professional (accountant type) person, did Moench put up with Cameron Watt's weight-shaming behaviour for years. After IM Tulsa 2021, where Moench ran an excellent sub 2:57 - a personal best - Matthews (who beat her with a sub 2:50) went full on on the whole 'how do you run so fast; you don't look like a runner' diatribe. Time to ditch Watt there and then post pandemic.
I sincerely hope anyone who's in a coach/athlete control/weight relationship is listening (and getting advice and acting on it).

I train normal humans and weight control is the biggest focus for most as why they start running or triathlon.

You talk to athletes about wt and health and strength and skill. Wt loss is a big goal for some to gain health and fitness.

here we have a bad coach that is aiming at high hanging fruit because they can't teach the athlete to swim better or get stronger or learn to run more efficient with less stress.

Just like some coaches say to get faster as a swimmer swim more.... they are and not faster so what are you really helping with???

Her relationship had more then a focus on wt here??? Just like a spousal abuse. Why didn't you just leave ???? I am not sure why?

Maybe like those that play for Bobby knight or a swim coach that destroys your love for sport with volume and intensity but no joy, it's worth it if I am winning and improving, until it's not winning or improving.

Plus first coach? they think they are all like that.

go watch the tri film WHAT IT TAKES and you can see Peter Reid does this abuse to himself didn't even need a coach to push him? people watch that and assume that's the only way to win then.

Replying in general. This question turns the thread a bit.

Let's assume Skye was not annoyed with her coach, and agreed she needed to lose weight, but also was sensible and realized there's no way she can cut calories, train, and not lose muscle and invite injury. She has hardly any body fat on her, as she pointed out in the interview, her lower body does amazing things for her in terms of biking and running, but let's suppose she apparently sees it as being the target area to reduce fat.

Is liposuction actually a thing a female athlete who wants to target fat loss can do? This isn't the case of an overeater who will just gain the weight back. She's carrying an absolutely healthy level of fat in her lower body by virtue of her genetics, not her excessive eating. But could one actually suck 4lbs of fat out and realize a performance gain?

No arguing anyone should do this, but has anyone heard of this? I'm just coming at this from the perspective of short of starving herself and damaging her body across the board there's just no way to target that fat loss to the area that the coach apparently thinks she needs to lose it.

Plus:

"I'd like to lose some weight but I can't. How about I tried a liposuction?" - said no professional triathlete ever.

Plus:

"I'd like to lose some weight but I can't. How about I tried a liposuction?" - said no professional triathlete ever.